0th Law
The Promethean Rose
- Location
- 5 Minutes into the Future
- Pronouns
- They/Them
Lisbeth Quest or smthing.
Fate/Revelation Online
- Thread starter daniel_gudman
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The amount of times I've wished I could turn off basic bodily functions...
Didn't Ilya say becoming a traditional undead lich with a phylactery is impossible? Or maybe that was Grimlock.
Wasn't it impossible in the sense that "you'd cease to be mentally and spiritually human in short order"? At least, without using Heaven's Feel for it
Lisbeth Lewd Quest.
That's what happened to Zouken, right? He was originally a decent man trying to improve the world through magecraft, and when he needed some extra time, he made himself immortal, and that rotted his soul over time?
IIRC he lived longer than humanly possible, and that caused him to be more and more obsessed with his End-Goal, to the point where he forgot why it was his goal.
He was functionally and mentally a vampire once he started eating people to survive.
Not sure about the specific metaphysics of it, but I think OG Zouken would rather die
TimeDiver
Herald of Dis Lev
- Location
- In-between the parallel worlds...
Not necessarily; as a magus, then-Zolgen Makiri might have found the method distasteful (and he was already close to/over 500 once he began collaborating with the Einzbern and the Tohsaka), but set said distaste aside in the interest of attaining the greater goal, for which most magi families is the Root/Akasha.
Instead, what Zolgen AND Justeaze of the Einzbern(!) sought, was to create a paradise that did not exist on Earth, nor could be created by the mundane... IOW, they were seigi no mikata before Kerry. Nevermind that had they succeeded, there was a non-zero chance of such a world/timeline being pruned.
Alternatively from Fate/Grand Order, there's also Marisbury Animusphere. A genuine proponent of guaranteeing the long-term survival of humanity rather than the Root, but by pre-emptively eliminating off-world threats via replacing their 'Textures' with ones based upon the Human Order.
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I don't think we should get too much into the weeds on what happens with alternate timelines, considering this fic IS an alternate timeline. Not to mention that the author has said he doesn't pay attention to FGO.
Though it's still an interesting question. How old is the concept of Lostbelts and True Human History in this franchise? After all, the very first game had three alternate timelines running at once, not counting Bad Ends, so it's not as though Nasu was all "there is only one right way for things to go."
- Location
- Canada
The whole concept of Lostbelts and Proper Human History basically started existing in FGO, both in-universe and IRL.
Before Part 2 of FGO, the Theoretical Pruning Phenomenon was just that, a theory.
For those not in the know : Whenever a timeline has an event that causes Humanity to stagnate (And by that I mean nothing important happens for thousands of years), it get pruned as a "Dead End" Timeline. This is different from the "Quantum Lock" pruning that is explained in F/SN.
Quantum Locks are events that are, well, locked in time as Very Important, and the timelines where this event did not happen get pruned. IIRC this is the main reason why Time Travel isn't really possible. Sure, you may travel back in time and kill Hitler, causing WWII to never happen, but it won't matter because when the world get to 1938, it will get pruned. For those that watched Marvel's What-If Series fourth episode, the death of Christine Palmer is basically a Quantum Lock.
Now, Lostbelts are dead-end timelines that are attempting to overthrow Proper Human History (AKA the current timeline) using Trees of Cosmic Fantasy to stave off the Pruning Phenomenon. We don't really get the details of how it works, but if the tree get destroyed and nothing else keep the Lostbelt in-place, it goes back to non-existence.
Here's the list of the first six lostbelts and why they were a dead end for those who cares :
Russian Lostbelt : Basically a meteor crashed in the 1600s and caused an ice age. Humans were forced to fuse with demonic beasts in order to survive the intense cold, becoming a new species called the Yaga. However, this had the trade-off of requiring a ridiculous amount of food to maintain their body temperature. This mean that they had to literally spend all their time hunting demonic beasts for food. I am not kidding, they didn't have time to build any additional housing at all. Needless to say, when humanity can't even build houses, it is stagnant.
Scandinavian Lostbelt : The Fire Giant Surtr sought to break the prophecy of Ragnarok and destroy the whole world. He ate Fenrir, and basically kicked everyone's asses until Odin trapped him in a fake sun and appointed Scathach-Skadi as ruler before kicking the bucket. Under her rule, all that was left of humanity was a carefully controlled population trapped inside two dozens of villages, with adults and excess villagers being sent to be eaten by the giants to keep them docile. Their population basically never changed, and neither did their technology.
Chinese Lostbelt : China conquered everything after the emperor actually got immortal instead of drinking lead. Their tech level soared, and like 99% of the planet is dedicated to farming to produce enough biofuel to keep the emperor super-computer active. They even had two orbital rings around the planet to defend against any alien invasions... and that's all they did. They never even tried to leave Earth's orbit, and everyone with enough braincells to actually figure things up are stuck in the capital drawing portraits of their emperor.
Indian Lostbelt : Arjuna Alter ate most of the Indian Pantheon (Only ones that weren't eaten were Kama, Ganesha, & Parvati) and decided to speed up a bit the whole cycle of Death & Rebirth that the Indian Mythos rely on, in order to remove all evil and imperfection. He sped it up too much (Granted Limbo convinced him to go even faster to one week cycles) and humanity couldn't keep up anymore. Not to mention that his definition of Evil boiled down to any imperfection. Were you wounded during the monster murder-fest that happens on the last day of the cycle? Well too bad that wound is an imperfection and Arjuna will erase you when he destroys the world and remake it. It is pretty clear that the whole place was going toward self-destruction anyway.
Atlantis/Olympian Lostbelt : A very long time ago, Sefar the White Titan came down, and basically killed all of the Gods, downgrading them to Divine Spirits reliant on Human Faith and starting the decline of the Age of Gods. Excalibur, the holy sword of King Arthur, was specifically made by Planet Earth to kill Sefar before it killed everything on Earth. For those wondering why the hell Sefar was doing that, it's basically the Nasuverse equivalent of the Reapers in Mass Effect. Anyway, in PHH the Greek Gods, who were actually AI spaceships from another universe, stayed in their own territories and were destroyed one by one by Sefar, with the one giving the White Titan the hardest time being Ares. The terminals they made to interact with humans were still alive, and became Divine Spirits.
In the Lostbelt, Zeus used his literal admin powers to force all the 12 gods to fuse into a giant mecha and fight Sefar. They didn't win, all they could do was last long enough for Excalibur to be made and for Sefar to get blasted, but their bodies stayed intact. They never were degraded into Divine Spirits like the rest of the Gods, and they were unaffected by Human Faith, nor did they rely on it.
It's getting very long, so to summarize after that : Zeus went on to give Humanity lots of awesome tech and turned Olympus into what is basically an ant-farm. Humans physically couldn't progress any further, everyone was immortal, e.t.c. Literally nothing changed for thousands of years. As one character put it : "Today is the same as yesterday, and tomorrow will be the same as today.", which is why it got pruned.
British Lostbelt : Remember Sefar? The White Titan that tried to destroy the Earth and got stopped by Excalibur? Well in this timeline the fairies in charge of making Excalibur decided to skip work, resulting in Sefar turning the entire planet into an endless ocean without any life nor landmass. Eventually the fairies came out into the endless ocean and got bored, and eventually met the god Cernunnos, who hid in the Reverse Side of the World with his human priestess to wait out Sefar. He came to punish the fairies for, y'know, not doing their jobs, but he took pity on them and let them live on top of him. Because fairies are bastards, they eventually weren't satisfied and killed Cernunnos by poisoning him, and when his Priestess tried to opposed the fairies, they cut her up into pieces and used their magic to keep every piece alive, doing the magical equivalent to cloning to get a lot more than one human. But, in the Nasuverse, just because a God is dead doesn't mean that they are completely dead, and eventually a Calamity arrived. Basically curses from Cernunnos in an attempt to kill the fairies for killing him and giving his human friend a fate worse than death. That's when the fairies decided to leave. Because you see, when a fairy dies, its body become terrain, and eventually new fairies start popping up. So the British Fairies just started murdering each other, pilling enough corpses to make a new landmass which, because stuff across timelines is oddly similar to each other, became Britain. But Britain wasn't happy to be created. After all, it was a literal pile of corpses in the shape of the real island, with a dead god at its center that was also cursing the fairies. So more calamities happen and eventually all the fairies dies and the Lostbelt is a desolate wasteland. Something happen that changes that, but I won't spoil it.
Scandinavian Lostbelt : The Fire Giant Surtr sought to break the prophecy of Ragnarok and destroy the whole world. He ate Fenrir, and basically kicked everyone's asses until Odin trapped him in a fake sun and appointed Scathach-Skadi as ruler before kicking the bucket. Under her rule, all that was left of humanity was a carefully controlled population trapped inside two dozens of villages, with adults and excess villagers being sent to be eaten by the giants to keep them docile. Their population basically never changed, and neither did their technology.
Chinese Lostbelt : China conquered everything after the emperor actually got immortal instead of drinking lead. Their tech level soared, and like 99% of the planet is dedicated to farming to produce enough biofuel to keep the emperor super-computer active. They even had two orbital rings around the planet to defend against any alien invasions... and that's all they did. They never even tried to leave Earth's orbit, and everyone with enough braincells to actually figure things up are stuck in the capital drawing portraits of their emperor.
Indian Lostbelt : Arjuna Alter ate most of the Indian Pantheon (Only ones that weren't eaten were Kama, Ganesha, & Parvati) and decided to speed up a bit the whole cycle of Death & Rebirth that the Indian Mythos rely on, in order to remove all evil and imperfection. He sped it up too much (Granted Limbo convinced him to go even faster to one week cycles) and humanity couldn't keep up anymore. Not to mention that his definition of Evil boiled down to any imperfection. Were you wounded during the monster murder-fest that happens on the last day of the cycle? Well too bad that wound is an imperfection and Arjuna will erase you when he destroys the world and remake it. It is pretty clear that the whole place was going toward self-destruction anyway.
Atlantis/Olympian Lostbelt : A very long time ago, Sefar the White Titan came down, and basically killed all of the Gods, downgrading them to Divine Spirits reliant on Human Faith and starting the decline of the Age of Gods. Excalibur, the holy sword of King Arthur, was specifically made by Planet Earth to kill Sefar before it killed everything on Earth. For those wondering why the hell Sefar was doing that, it's basically the Nasuverse equivalent of the Reapers in Mass Effect. Anyway, in PHH the Greek Gods, who were actually AI spaceships from another universe, stayed in their own territories and were destroyed one by one by Sefar, with the one giving the White Titan the hardest time being Ares. The terminals they made to interact with humans were still alive, and became Divine Spirits.
In the Lostbelt, Zeus used his literal admin powers to force all the 12 gods to fuse into a giant mecha and fight Sefar. They didn't win, all they could do was last long enough for Excalibur to be made and for Sefar to get blasted, but their bodies stayed intact. They never were degraded into Divine Spirits like the rest of the Gods, and they were unaffected by Human Faith, nor did they rely on it.
It's getting very long, so to summarize after that : Zeus went on to give Humanity lots of awesome tech and turned Olympus into what is basically an ant-farm. Humans physically couldn't progress any further, everyone was immortal, e.t.c. Literally nothing changed for thousands of years. As one character put it : "Today is the same as yesterday, and tomorrow will be the same as today.", which is why it got pruned.
British Lostbelt : Remember Sefar? The White Titan that tried to destroy the Earth and got stopped by Excalibur? Well in this timeline the fairies in charge of making Excalibur decided to skip work, resulting in Sefar turning the entire planet into an endless ocean without any life nor landmass. Eventually the fairies came out into the endless ocean and got bored, and eventually met the god Cernunnos, who hid in the Reverse Side of the World with his human priestess to wait out Sefar. He came to punish the fairies for, y'know, not doing their jobs, but he took pity on them and let them live on top of him. Because fairies are bastards, they eventually weren't satisfied and killed Cernunnos by poisoning him, and when his Priestess tried to opposed the fairies, they cut her up into pieces and used their magic to keep every piece alive, doing the magical equivalent to cloning to get a lot more than one human. But, in the Nasuverse, just because a God is dead doesn't mean that they are completely dead, and eventually a Calamity arrived. Basically curses from Cernunnos in an attempt to kill the fairies for killing him and giving his human friend a fate worse than death. That's when the fairies decided to leave. Because you see, when a fairy dies, its body become terrain, and eventually new fairies start popping up. So the British Fairies just started murdering each other, pilling enough corpses to make a new landmass which, because stuff across timelines is oddly similar to each other, became Britain. But Britain wasn't happy to be created. After all, it was a literal pile of corpses in the shape of the real island, with a dead god at its center that was also cursing the fairies. So more calamities happen and eventually all the fairies dies and the Lostbelt is a desolate wasteland. Something happen that changes that, but I won't spoil it.
I wrote way too much, and I don't have anything else to say really. Lostbelts are pruned timelines that were brought back in an attempt to overthrow the Main Timeline that was already severely damaged from being on literal fire.
Z000
If this is trash, then find me in the dumpster
- Location
- Viet Nam
it didn't become a waste land
just some basic fairy eeking out some simple life on the island, no human around and there just nothing but nature
which is honestly the better ending for them then what happen
TJSomething
That's... that's impossible!
While the exact conditions of pruning weren't explained, Zelretch did mention that if he got something wrong, the timeline would be ended due to the early release of ORT in Fate/strange Fake vol. 1 (January 2015, six months before FGO came out). And the mechanism of pruning was actually explained in Fate/EXTELLA in 2016, a year before FGO part 2 came out.
plotvitalnpc
Once more walking the path of the catgirl.
Well, the lore this story runs on was mostly set in 2011-2012, when the latest hotness in the nasuverse was, I think, complete materials plus the Japanese release of Mahoyo.
- Location
- America
Do multiversal shenanigans really matter in Fate revelation? I get that its's nice to shoot the shit while we wait.
But the players are doing baby's first magecraft. Like looking at caveman who don't know basic physics but understand that lightning can cause fire.
Yes, i have personally gone into deep metaphyics.so call me out-- but lostbelts and singularities and timeline stuff doesn't matter even tangentially
But the players are doing baby's first magecraft. Like looking at caveman who don't know basic physics but understand that lightning can cause fire.
Yes, i have personally gone into deep metaphyics.so call me out-- but lostbelts and singularities and timeline stuff doesn't matter even tangentially
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Well, if you want to discuss how Sacchi and the others are going to get out of the trap they're about to stumble into, then by all means.
Also, is Kayab intentionally screwing over his apprentice's friends, or is the adaptive quest system just randomly picking them to be the sacrifices?
Also, is Kayab intentionally screwing over his apprentice's friends, or is the adaptive quest system just randomly picking them to be the sacrifices?
Karyis
procrastinating as we speak
- Location
- Texas
- Pronouns
- He/Him
Looks more like the quest didn't expect Kirito to up and leave before it was done and so went for the closest available players to fulfill it. That they happened to be the Cats is coincidence.Chapter 18.4 said:
So that means it's probably not deliberately overpowered and designed to kill them. But something designed to push one of the best solo players to their limits could very well wipe out a lower-end clearing guild. If we parallel how they died in canon, trapping them in a room with too many enemies and a small avenue to escape would be something Kirito could get out of alone, but a whole party would have a lot more trouble due to carrying their weaker members. On the other hand, they have a large number of expendable familiars for cover.
This really could go either way.
DamnedAeons 187
An Ally of Convenience is an Enemy of Opportunity
- Location
- Texas
Nah, it'll all be fine.
In other news I hear the third person to make it to the AoSB gets a free ice cream
...Army Officer Selection Board?
plotvitalnpc
Once more walking the path of the catgirl.
Altar of Serious Business. The 'hint' corner for people who just, no frills, canonically 'die' in FRO.
- Location
- United Kingdom
Technically that was One Snow, since he died shortly after Itagaki. Wonder what flavour ice cream he got...