It's not that Shirou had trouble copying his skills exactly, it's that Lancer was a demigod with a superhuman body. He could reproduce the skill just fine... But he'd rip his muscles apart doing so. That kind of logic.
Ah ok, thanks, that makes sense. Wonder if there's a lancer expy out there who forces one on one death matches with his opponent.
 
The bad end was him attempting a perfect replica of Excalibur against the grail while he was running on fumes.
The bad end he is referring to is Lion Dojo 1 wherein Shirou attempts to use Excalibur to fuck up some wasps and ends up crashing the game.

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"Compared to the streamlined objects that are used as items internally by the Cardinal System, what you Trace is like a humongous CAD file with a point cloud with billions of elements and annotations and thousands of reversion states that needs interpreting!" The Tiger roared. "Even if this is a near-future cyberpunk story, instantly loading something that has to be measured in at least exabytes into the game is way too much for the computer to handle! You'll crash everything!" She pointed an accusing finger as she casually added something completely unrelated you could even call the real objection…maybe. "Plus if you can use something that OP you'll win all the fights forever whenever you want and then the whole story arc will be boring!"
 
Considering that Grimlock said it wouldn't be hard and Laughing Coffin is a thing......
Ah but Lancers way and Laughing coffin way are two very different thing. Lancer was a master of rune magic, and he knew a really simple spell to do force one on one. Laughing Coffin are more or less a bag of dicks. I more of meant too forcing a enemy monster into one on one, and taking on a mob all by themselves, one at a time.
 
Ah but Lancers way and Laughing coffin way are two very different thing. Lancer was a master of rune magic, and he knew a really simple spell to do force one on one. Laughing Coffin are more or less a bag of dicks. I more of meant too forcing a enemy monster into one on one, and taking on a mob all by themselves, one at a time.
Well that's a bit different since Grimlock's suggestion was to use the existing duel feature which doesn't exist against monsters. I'd say no since what Lancer used were probably Original Runes and while unlike most AOG magecraft, they still exists nowadays, only Touko has even a replica of some.
 
It's not that Shirou had trouble copying his skills exactly, it's that Lancer was a demigod with a superhuman body. He could reproduce the skill just fine... But he'd rip his muscles apart doing so. That kind of logic.


One world magecraft style....
I'm going to head-canon it that just like Gilgamesh was the King of the World ruling a planet-spanning super-civilization instead of ruling a few cities in one valley between two big rivers; like that, King Solomon is also "somehow" the cultural ancestor of all magi everywhere.

I don't know how that will fit in with the Babel myth, but the Noah-flood story is just a reskin of the Utnapishtim Myth, plus all that cosmology in Genesis that was a pretty direct copy of Akkadian-Babylonian lore; so there's already archaeological evidence allowing me to just conflate the Pentateuch with and Babylonian myth.
The logic behind Gil isn't that Uruk ruled the whole planet, but rather that since the entire civilized world consisted of two big rivers and the plains between them, and Gil was legitimately king of that, there existed a point where Gil could honestly say he was "king of the world". The definition of the world changed, but magecraft mechanics apparently work so that instead of just making his claim no longer valid, it just meant that it expanded in scope, so that he was always "king of the world" even when the world expanded to be seven continents and seven seas (and a flag on the Moon).

Well, that still runs into issues with other independent civilizations, but at least there's some logic behind it.
 
If Onmyodo & Ninjutsu didn't require magic circuits then the only ones who would be able to do it would be people connected to gods, who have been gone for millennia. The pseudo-magic that doesn't need circuits you're talking about are just Mysteries like tsubame gaeshi or breathing and walking, things like native american and witchcraft are still magecraft. Solomon is the King of Magecraft not the King of (Western) Magecraft.

The reason other methods are ignored is likely because they are not useful to search for the Root. Hell, breathing and walking is a perfect example. Anyone regardless of ancestry can learn it. Skilled users can just clap their hands and bam, miracle.

I mean you cannot tell me that everyone just sat on their asses as divine power faded away. Then somehow people all over the world discover the same mutation in their soul....

We know there are other supernatural things like psychics. An alternate magic evolved ala witchcraft is kinda logical


One world magecraft style....
I'm going to head-canon it that just like Gilgamesh was the King of the World ruling a planet-spanning super-civilization instead of ruling a few cities in one valley between two big rivers; like that, King Solomon is also "somehow" the cultural ancestor of all magi everywhere.

He was the King of the world because there was nothing else around. He ruled over iceland simply because no one else could take it.

He once travelled through his land searching for a useless person to kill. You cannot do that if you have a physically world spanning kingdom. Too many people to check. Of course you can do it as it is your story, just remember Uruks theme is quality not quantity.
 
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Well that's a bit different since Grimlock's suggestion was to use the existing duel feature which doesn't exist against monsters. I'd say no since what Lancer used were probably Original Runes and while unlike most AOG magecraft, they still exists nowadays, only Touko has even a replica of some.
Could be, but I doubt it. His Ath nGabla was learned from the knights of the red branch, who only had access to normal runes I believe. His original runes came from Scathach, after he was a member of the knights
 
The reason other methods are ignored is likely because they are not useful to search for the Root. Hell, breathing and walking is a perfect example. Anyone regardless of ancestry can learn it. Skilled users can just clap their hands and bam, miracle.

I mean you cannot tell me that everyone just sat on their asses as divine power faded away. Then somehow people all over the world discover the same mutation in their soul....

We know there are other supernatural things like psychics. An alternate magic evolved ala witchcraft is kinda logical.
People can learn breathing and walking if they train for decades in the mountains and learn secret assassin techniques but otherwise as far as most people know it's a completely random occurrence that sometimes pops up and so is useless to the legacy based western magecraft. And how do you suggest people stop the era from changing when that involves picking a fight with Rhon and the twelve other towers sealing the AOM in place? Your alternate magic idea is not part of the nasuverse, all forms of magecraft from western to alchemy to japanese use magic circuits because that's how people generate magical energy. The other things are natural mysteries and in the case of psychic abilities are inherent and unteachable unlike magecraft. The closest thing to what you want is the ki arts that the highest of the highest tier of martial artists can use where they can become invisible by becoming one with the world.

He was the King of the world because there was nothing else around. He ruled over iceland simply because no one else could take it.

He once travelled through his land searching for a useless person to kill. You cannot do that if you have a physically world spanning kingdom. Too many people to check. Of course you can do it as it is your story, just remember Uruks theme is quality not quantity.
Gil has a lightspeed spaceship and eyes that could see everything in the world including the past and future, so yes he can check everyone in the wotld. In the nasuverse, Gil literally ruled the entire world and everything humanity has come up with since then, regardless of geographic limitations, was based on his super awesome magitech kingdom.
 
Question. What happens if someone tries to summon a servant within Aincrad?

And, might that happen in the later floors, a summoning themed floor, with the 'dead' players being the summons in question? And possibly a rare few players managing to summon actual heroic spirits.
 
People can learn breathing and walking if they train for decades in the mountains and learn secret assassin techniques but otherwise as far as most people know it's a completely random occurrence that sometimes pops up and so is useless to the legacy based western magecraft.

I have never seen it described as that rare. I mean, eastern priests use it to purify places...

And witchcraft is specifically stated to not be magecraft. Like, that is the entire point of it being called that... Hell, from how the skill is described, it uses entirely different mechanics.

Hell, there is the Babtism rite as a supernatural effect basically anyone can learn.

As for stopping the age from changing... I meant that the countless mages all over the world did not try to develop their own new method. Instead everyone just decided to do nothing and hope someone else will fix it?

Gil has a lightspeed spaceship and eyes that could see everything in the world including the past and future, so yes he can check everyone in the wotld. In the nasuverse, Gil literally ruled the entire world and everything humanity has come up with since then, regardless of geographic limitations, was based on his super awesome magitech kingdom.

It is physically impossible to check a population big enough to populate earth... (without cloning or something like that) within a human lifetime even assuming 0 travel time. And he did say that he actually went out to check instead of just using his omniscience from what I remember.

Plus.... assuming it is true, where did the billions of people go to?
 
I have never seen it described as that rare. I mean, eastern priests use it to purify places...
It's describe as rare in the only place it mentioned.
But there are rare cases where one is born with this correct way of breathing or walking. These are people who themselves are Magic Circuits."
And witchcraft is specifically stated to not be magecraft. Like, that is the entire point of it being called that... Hell, from how the skill is described, it uses entirely different mechanics.
Please cite since the wiki says this..
Witchcraft (ウィッチクラフト/黒魔術, Uitchikurafuto/Kuro Majutsu?) is a negative Magecraft, the use certain type of spells, like:
While common Magecraft is a program that "recomposes what exists around", Witchcraft is a program that "recomposes the raw materials in one's own body."
At best you can say that witchcraft is 'uncommon' magecraft, for whatever that's worth. It is never said as far as I can see to be something completely different that doesn't need magic circuits.
Hell, there is the Babtism rite as a supernatural effect basically anyone can learn.
Please cite someone without circuits using baptism rite.
As for stopping the age from changing... I meant that the countless mages all over the world did not try to develop their own new method. Instead everyone just decided to do nothing and hope someone else will fix it?
Because people on the level of the King of Magecraft following a revelation from God are just dime a dozen.
It is physically impossible to check a population big enough to populate earth... (without cloning or something like that) within a human lifetime even assuming 0 travel time. And he did say that he actually went out to check instead of just using his omniscience from what I remember.
What Gil said was that he chose ten servants to kill a unneed one but they all had value so he couldn't.
 
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Would not be surprised if the Molemen accidentally dug up a Balrog at some point.

I can see the Molemen making a Moria clone if there is a level that focuses on subterranean stuff. Given Kabaya wants to force development there probably is at least one level that needs to be underground.

If we get to see a seafaring level i want to know how much pirates will be a theme fought against.
 
I can see the Molemen making a Moria clone if there is a level that focuses on subterranean stuff. Given Kabaya wants to force development there probably is at least one level that needs to be underground.

If we get to see a seafaring level i want to know how much pirates will be a theme fought against.

NPC pirates? Almost definitely.
Given how the Laughing Coffin quest-chains seem to have been built, I'd expect them to obtain a boat there...
Maybe their canon base could be replaced with a boat. Even harder to find? Do Bounded Fields even work on boats?
 
I'm actually surprised we didn't see Shirou's archery in action, past that in the heat of a moment thing with boss. We had no one reacting to blatant aim-bot he has going on.

It would be hilarious to see him just walk through the level, sniping poor mobs before they can even agro properly. I wonder if he'll craft arrows just so he doesn't need to waste mana on creating new ones all the time - he can just collect ones used to kill the mobs and just keep reusing them.

I'm also surprised that Argo and others are not putting more effort in investigating Shirou. I mean, asking him "where are you from" in casual conversation should be rather simple with their current [Bond Level], and then they can just try and find other people from his place and interview them to see if they know him. I mean, it's possible that those are also AIs made to seem like Shirou has past, but that's well into crazy conspiracy territory.

Plus, seeing Argo learn about Shirou's love life and yakuza connections would be hilarious.
 
Er, isn't Shirou's love life at this point "I had a girlfriend, but now she is gone"?

I could see Argo getting some tutoring about kyudo if she asked. The problem is the asking part- no one so far has even thought of asking Shirou anything. Despite the fact he would happily answer.

I erred about shirou's love life, if Argo finds out about Sakura she is going to cry. The girl spends how much time with him at his house, and he doesn't even figure out she is interested?
 
Er, isn't Shirou's love life at this point "I had a girlfriend, but now she is gone"?

I could see Argo getting some tutoring about kyudo if she asked. The problem is the asking part- no one so far has even thought of asking Shirou anything. Despite the fact he would happily answer.

I erred about shirou's love life, if Argo finds out about Sakura she is going to cry. The girl spends how much time with him at his house, and he doesn't even figure out she is interested?
I think they more of meant saber, where the only way for him to be with her is never give up searching, and for saber to never give up waiting
 
I mean, just look at people who regularly hang out at his place, which is practically without supervision. Taiga, Illya, Rin and Sakura. Ditzy twenty something teacher, adopted younger sister, school idol and hottest first year.

That's cast straight out of harem series.

Even without blatant magic Shirou's daily life is full of "whaaaat" moments.

Unrelated to this, i think that my favorite chapter was that guilds meeting in church. There was a lot of going on in between characters, especially kinda subtle reaction from CAS regarding Illya and Shirou.
 
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I'm also surprised that Argo and others are not putting more effort in investigating Shirou. I mean, asking him "where are you from" in casual conversation should be rather simple with their current [Bond Level], and then they can just try and find other people from his place and interview them to see if they know him. I mean, it's possible that those are also AIs made to seem like Shirou has past, but that's well into crazy conspiracy territory.
His backstory is going to seem incredibly suspicious, what with him being twice orphaned, and unable to remember much (if any) of his life before the fire. Add in that Ilya is also an orphan, and whoever is asking is going to be increasingly sure that both are AI.
 
Eh, point. For actual servants. But using the 'dead' players on some sort of ghost and/or summoning floor wouldn't be nearly as much of an issue.
Dead players would be usable but risk breaking the immersion that Kabaya has going on about death being totally for realsies.

I'm actually surprised we didn't see Shirou's archery in action, past that in the heat of a moment thing with boss. We had no one reacting to blatant aim-bot he has going on.
It's a minor moment but we did get to see a thing when Shirou was playing darts and Argo/Kirito wordlessly reacted to him getting a perfect shot while talking to them and not even looking at the board.
 
His backstory is going to seem incredibly suspicious, what with him being twice orphaned, and unable to remember much (if any) of his life before the fire. Add in that Ilya is also an orphan, and whoever is asking is going to be increasingly sure that both are AI.
Really? I'd figured that its outlandishness would only make it more believable, as you'd never come up with shit like that if your goal was to deceive others.
It's a minor moment but we did get to see a thing when Shirou was playing darts and Argo/Kirito wordlessly reacted to him getting a perfect shot while talking to them and not even looking at the board.
I forgot about that, actually.

What chapter was that in, anyway?
 
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