Knight-Radiant
Recovering Rageaholic
[X] Ask Magnus what trial lies ahead of you?
Fate/Rebirth
- Thread starter M3lk0r
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- Crossover
M3lk0r
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- Gondolin
That is one of the reason's he fell, another factor among other things was his arrogance along with how fixated he could become if pushed.
EDIT: Tzeencth also kind of made it a point to ensure he fell.
Aburg7
Just another Gundam(WIng) Pilot
- Location
- A land called Honahlee
True
But I wonder the qm said that we may end up having to face the Daemon primarch at some point in this quest, though I do have wonder if Shirou ascends to daemonhood in this quest could he effectively become a chaos god on his own since there is no real competition?
- Location
- India
[X] Pavoni
is it possible to use Biomancy to repair the Crest and integrate into His body?
will we get buff in spiritual surgery if we take biomancy route?
Is it possible to make Alaya our patron God without Entering counter guardian contract(Archtype Alaya)? like becoming a counterpart of Archetype Earth aka Arcueid Brunestud?
Is Goetia aware of him due to its connection to Circuit and Magnus's arrival?
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M3lk0r
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- Gondolin
Depends you can but remember Angra Mainyu has cursed Kiritsugu
this is physical not spiritual, the Pavoni were masters of flesh not of spirit, they were formed in the great crusade after all.
Depends on how you go about it, remember Alaya is not really a diety.
No Goetia isn't aware of the Crimson King only you and Kiritsugu are
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- India
is it not possible to isolate the curse and remove it from Kiri or the crest? maybe even use Avalon as a filler?
what will be the reaction of alaya if it discovers us?
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M3lk0r
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- Gondolin
Shirou can't remove the curse Magnus may be able to but as is with Magnus after Prospero, there might be good reasons as to why he has not attempted it.
You/MAgnus could try to isolate where the curse is to gain the crest BUt do you really want to give MAgnus a reason to fiddle with Avalon?
Depends on how you are discovered, remember Magnus at this point may be a shard but he is still very much daemon prince
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- India
is it possible for us to use scrying to uncover specific events like the birth of alaya, the creation of circuits, forging of Avalon, defiance of Gilgamesh etc?
Can we able to use scrying to discover past event happened in 40k? like the birth of Chaos and Emperor, the fall of Eldar?
Is it possible for us to summon different servant? even servant from 30k or 40k?
Will Magnus fuse with core soul of Shirou? becoming something like Janus?
Alaya maybe not a deity but it embodies humanity so why not use it boost our power as long pact is not Counter Guardianhood?
can we use Avalon to unlock fairy magic, rune, and crafting?
Can we able to use scrying to discover past event happened in 40k? like the birth of Chaos and Emperor, the fall of Eldar?
Is it possible for us to summon different servant? even servant from 30k or 40k?
Will Magnus fuse with core soul of Shirou? becoming something like Janus?
Alaya maybe not a deity but it embodies humanity so why not use it boost our power as long pact is not Counter Guardianhood?
can we use Avalon to unlock fairy magic, rune, and crafting?
M3lk0r
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- Gondolin
You would need Magnus's help but yes
Depends Magnus can try but it will risk alerting the denizens of the immaterium of 40K if they are in that vision and though it will be harder for them to reach you
Technically the Throne of Heroes exists outside the constraints and concepts of space and time so you can but it may require Magnus to hijack the ritual summoning and again who would you call?
If you and the other Voters want to, but how do you see this occurring?
Because Alaya always collects on what it is owed, remember Archer made a pact knowing what he was in for and after becoming a counter guardian was so driven to despair that he was willing to try and kill Shirou despite the fact that it probably wouldn't have worked.
However if you were to somehow usurp Alaya....
Also how do you plan on not having it take you as a counter guardian? Remember Type-MOON's Counter Guardians meet Tragic ends, Archer was betrayed by his own ideals, Jeanne was burned to death as witch, Amakusa Shirou Tokisada was brutally slain ect. Meta wise this is not a good track record.
Depends remember how magecraft and magic work in Type-MOON and what Solomon did to cause the age of gods to end. There is also the difference between knowing it and being able to perform it. So it is possible but doing so would attract attention to Shirou that he would not be properly prepared to face just yet.
Aburg7
Just another Gundam(WIng) Pilot
- Location
- A land called Honahlee
Maybe the Lion, Gulliman, Jaghati or Even Magnus himself if I wonted to be over the top. If I wanted to be crazy I would go for Curze or even Alpharius
If I wanted to be smart I would go for someone less powerful but also skilled, mainly a space marine like Garro, Loken, Barthusa Narek, Kano, Saul Tavitz, Lord Commander Vespian and last resort would be Omegon who is a Primarch.
EDIT: That said they would all suffer horrible penalties to their parameters since they are from the future
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- India
can we able to refine rubric of Ahriman and use it to bind humanity with psychic network/link like protoss? will it increase the power of alaya?
is the summoning of Emperor or pre-heresy fulgrim or Vulkan possible?
is it possible to become ultimate one of humanity or something similar like Emperor without alaya's blessing in type moon?
what concept Magnus's shard embody? i know his nobility aspect was captured by Malcador.
is it possible for alaya to become racial warp God like Eldar Gods?
is the summoning of Emperor or pre-heresy fulgrim or Vulkan possible?
is it possible to become ultimate one of humanity or something similar like Emperor without alaya's blessing in type moon?
what concept Magnus's shard embody? i know his nobility aspect was captured by Malcador.
is it possible for alaya to become racial warp God like Eldar Gods?
personally, i am more interested in Leonardo or malcador
M3lk0r
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- Gondolin
I'd stay away from the Sigilite if I were you.
The Rubric of Ahriman was made using the lore of the Book of Magnnus, The Novel the Crimson King shows that the daemon aforgonmon (no kidding he doesn't realise he's got the name of a digimon) has Hathor Matt erase the warning written in the book of magnus about the side effects and what ould go wrong with it, whih is why Ahriman tried it thinking there was nothing wrong because Magnus would have detailed it and in truth he did
Depends it could but will that substitute the potnetial 9/10 of humanity that at a minimum could be potentially wiped out?
The second two, possible but not likely, the first probable since that was his prime of sorts but ddo you want to risk summoning the emperor?
Yes it is possible
over time yes, but it would seek to actively avoid that as it would require humanity to believe that it is a god and for it to start to have a presence in the immaterium and such.
depends, it is not the scholar, it is not the warrior, poet, the King, Sorcerer. I made this quest before that concept was a confirmed thing which is why I didn't think too deep into it. Perhaps the Teacher or Father aspect since unlike a some of other Primarchs when he called his Astartes his sons it was more than lip service and he felt actual unconditional paternal affection for them.
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- India
why we should stay away from Malcador or Emperor, we are showing them there is still hope for humanity a universe untainted by chaos. They are pragmatic after all, will they not consider His proposal?
i misspoke, i mean to say is inventing a ritual to create such network possible? In type moon, humans got psychic potential. can we not create such ritual without changer of ways influence/sabotage? i mean warp in untainted here.
why alaya not willing become a warp entity? that will make her more powerful, thus more capable to protect humanity against Gaia and anything else.
M3lk0r
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- Gondolin
Malcador because he can't be trusted and because he really is ticked off at Magnus, like really ticked off enough to bring it up just to inform the listener in that audio, there is a high chance he will not listen to magnus and just try and kill him.
The Emperor because of who he is, and how he manifests, the last thing you need if for him to show up as how the Custodes see him. Also because every time he appears in a novel he is different to the last portrayal of his that you read (also the fate you would potentially be subjecting the world and or shirou to). lso remember that the emperor is also upset with Magnus, like you know Magnus may have done it by accident but he definitely did ruin the emperor's dream of a non warp reliant humanity.
Also remember though he is much lesser than the whole Magnus is still a daemon prince which makes Shirou be effect a daemonhost, which makes it less likely that he will survive an encounter due to principle of the Emeperor being anti-warp entities.
Yes it is possible to create such a psychic network. But what effect in the warp might that create? The realm of chaos happened because too many psychic species were introduced far too quickly. I'm not saying that it will result in the mass extinction of sentient life that the Old One's caused but that the consequences of emotions and actions have the warp are something you should take into consideration.
Alaya is the subconsious of Humanity, it is Humanities will to survive. Becoming a Warp Entity will open it to other parts of Humanity outside of the subconscious need to survive which in effect can corrupt it. Alaya may not be one of the good guys but the last thing you need is for it to be one of the bad ones.
LordVile
There's thinking and thinking with explosives.
- Location
- INDIA
Well as the DAoT has not yet kicked off and Slaanesh isn't a thing yet, we might want to kill all the lampreys Eldar.
Because they may become a threat.
Because they may become a threat.
I think we should go with one step at a time.
@M3lk0r
Can we learn more about daemonology or abiut divinity?
I think that is interesting topic form Magnus perspective and How Age of Man and Age of God effect magecraft and sorcery.
Hijack or research about Gaia reality marble or something like that.
@M3lk0r
Can we learn more about daemonology or abiut divinity?
I think that is interesting topic form Magnus perspective and How Age of Man and Age of God effect magecraft and sorcery.
Hijack or research about Gaia reality marble or something like that.
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- India
@M3lk0r I am not saying to turn humanity into alpha plus psyker race, rather create a psychic link to bind them together as one. Warp is calm now so such endeavor will not create too much turbulence. I am talking about something like Protoss Khala, Advent mindlink or X-com psychic network to process and share information. During the Age of Gods, humanity was much closer to the root and the gods, but that connection has dwindled over the millennia in the Age of Man. Being closer to the origin aka Inflex of Ethar/Magical energies made the power of Alaya more concentrated, and it increased the weight of each human soul in comparison to modern humans. By binding humanity together as one will increase the overall weight of individual human souls. It will consolidate Power of Alaya and allow her to focus her energies towards external threats rather than internal ones.
Human Order, also referred to as the Common Sense of Man, is the core principle on which Alaya operates for the building of the Human Order Foundation. Essentially, it is the principle that "humanity must exist for as long as possible." If that is true focusing on human willpower will allow her to impose Human Order far more efficiently. Also, Circuits are poisoned gift given by Goetia and Gaia's influence already eroding its power further, it is far better to focus on an alternate source. Psychic Power also referred to as Extrasensory Perception (ESP), is a catch-all term to refer to the organ that causes supernatural phenomena to occur. It is a form of nature interference that to the psychic comes as naturally as breathing. Unlike Magecraft, which can be taught and practiced, an inherent ability is an absolute necessity. Psychic powers are the ultimate ability of humans, who have become an existence independent of nature.
By utilizing Alaya as a Synchronization and Stabilizing element we can bind humanity together as one, rather than relying on Warp, we should able to use potential Psychic nature of humanity. We may never have the raw power of Eldar, but it being a self-contained network we can able to use it as safely as possible and this way we can protect our emotions by not letting them dissipate in Warp. Magecraft will fade away, it is inevitable but we can use our skills to elevate humanity as a psychic race being untainted from warp and its temptations and ruin Goetia's Plan. Earth obeys the law of the most prosperous species on its surface, the rules of the world were completely changed from one that obeyed Mystery to one that obeyed physics from the start of Age of Men, with such concentration of Human Order will further weaken Gaia.
Human Order, also referred to as the Common Sense of Man, is the core principle on which Alaya operates for the building of the Human Order Foundation. Essentially, it is the principle that "humanity must exist for as long as possible." If that is true focusing on human willpower will allow her to impose Human Order far more efficiently. Also, Circuits are poisoned gift given by Goetia and Gaia's influence already eroding its power further, it is far better to focus on an alternate source. Psychic Power also referred to as Extrasensory Perception (ESP), is a catch-all term to refer to the organ that causes supernatural phenomena to occur. It is a form of nature interference that to the psychic comes as naturally as breathing. Unlike Magecraft, which can be taught and practiced, an inherent ability is an absolute necessity. Psychic powers are the ultimate ability of humans, who have become an existence independent of nature.
By utilizing Alaya as a Synchronization and Stabilizing element we can bind humanity together as one, rather than relying on Warp, we should able to use potential Psychic nature of humanity. We may never have the raw power of Eldar, but it being a self-contained network we can able to use it as safely as possible and this way we can protect our emotions by not letting them dissipate in Warp. Magecraft will fade away, it is inevitable but we can use our skills to elevate humanity as a psychic race being untainted from warp and its temptations and ruin Goetia's Plan. Earth obeys the law of the most prosperous species on its surface, the rules of the world were completely changed from one that obeyed Mystery to one that obeyed physics from the start of Age of Men, with such concentration of Human Order will further weaken Gaia.
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Ave Anathema
Ave Imperator
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- Jacksonville Illinois
NO Bad Souvikindu No Making us Tyranids Plus odds are well have mass suicides from a world without Privacy Big E will burn us to nothing on a Soululer level and just undo it
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- India
What??? I am simply trying to modify a humanity that does not rely on the warp, we do not have webway here, Magic is dying, Gaia is hostile to us, Magi are selfish backstabbers, A Demon God plotting to wipe out humanity, Vampires are doing everything they want and anything they want and normal people are being the victim. we need something to unite us against the external threats. Who cares about privacy when Humanity may be wiped out by various external and internal threats? I am mostly trying model humanity based on Psi Effect By Cap'n Chryssalid. Being connected does not make one commit suicide rather allow true understanding. Well, if a few of them die then even that is ok as long Humanity prevails against all odds.
"Learn to overcome the crass demands of flesh and bone, for they warp the matrix through which we perceive the world. Extend your awareness outward, beyond the self of body, to embrace the self of the group and the self of humanity. The goals of the group and the greater race are transcendent, and to embrace them is to achieve enlightenment."
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- Anchorage, Alaska
I can agree with this, sort of like the war-mind from out of the dark...or the Protoss Khala...I think we should at least try this!
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Ave Anathema
Ave Imperator
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- Jacksonville Illinois
And Didnt that end badly.
But thats the issue It FORCES humanity to do this it forcibly eliminates ALL privacy and would utterly Mutilate the Human Psyche its the same reason Abruptly murdering the cancers without diminishing them would. It destroys Humanity to force it into a SINGLE persons idea of what it should be there would longer be an a individual. and in a race with no intrinsic Hivemind or psychological adaptability it would drive us Insane to hear EVERYONES thoughts. Your Idea ends with a group of more than a Little Crazies screwing everything up so you can play Tyranids without swapping MIniatures
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Alaya exist as human subconscious, it regulates anyway it wants, Alaya constantly steers mankind away from extinction by memory modification or suppression of desire etc. Usually, Alaya interferes indirectly by guiding and empowering an individual to eliminate a threat. Such individuals include Shiki Ryougi and nearby individuals. When indirect intervention is insufficient, Alaya will deploy the Counter Guardians. Alaya already mind raping Humanity every way it can, what i am suggesting using it as a Link to connect humanity. Humanity already connected but this fact is hidden by Alaya. I believed if Humanity is aware of Alaya though the mindlink then Alaya will be subsumed into human consciousness becoming a greater entity as it will evolve by becoming influenced by our consciousness which is most of the time governed by ethics and Morals. Closest equivalent of such form will be Ork Gods and Uni-Mind. (Ork Moral and ethics are different-----Just stating the Obvious)
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- Anchorage, Alaska
Exactly...best chance for future human survival and not relying on the fucking warp for everything.