Arthur Hansen
Author of no Authority.
- Location
- Utah, behind the Zion Curtain.
Err, 2 a month, right? He's up in the forties for his last version.hpackrat said:So roughly one armor every two months in a laboratory setting.
Err, 2 a month, right? He's up in the forties for his last version.hpackrat said:So roughly one armor every two months in a laboratory setting.
Economic validity. It's a super-advanced tech. It's built in an equivalent of the cave with the equivalent of a box of scraps. It is likely failing apart near constantly because tools to build tools to build tools needed to produce a reliable, working, mass-producible, economically viable equivalent weren't made yet. It is also very crippled. Each tinker gets one aspect that they can do well. But no one device only relies on one aspect of technology. So you get A.I.s that should be run on closed time-loop like calculation using computers being plugged into laptops. You get power armor that runs on Li-ion batteries. Teleproters that substitute copper wiring for superconducting graphene wires. Etc, etc, etc.Tinker-tech, in addition to being hyperadvanced is:Ixenathier said:How else do you explain tech that can not be reverse engineered or needs the sort of maintenance it does? It would also explain how everything from laser guns to hover boards can exist but not replicable.
Last post on the subject, then:The Unicorn said:As noted you'd get very low success rates, at least at first but given how valuable tinkertech is that would be worth while.
Granted that you'd need to spend huge amounts of effort to perform proper maintenance, but given the apperant advantages Tinkertech offers this would be worthwhile. Note that fighter jets (which are FAR inferior to tinkertech) require over 100 hours of maintenance for every flight hour. If a suit of tinkertech power armor required 1000 hours it would still be an incredible bargain.
P.S: We should take further discussion to one of the general discussion threads and not fill up Arthur's thread with this
First of all, spoilers please. Secondly, while not being that useful in the fight at the end of the world, the addition of mass-produced advanced power armor may be enough to avert it before it starts.hpackrat said:The thing that worries me is that these alien worms had learned this tech from clearly more advance civilizations that still fell to their shards. All the tinkertech in the world might not be enough to deal with Scion
Or use several arc reactors (many of them). Though I'm not sure how much he has learned from the tesseract. He was sent to the wormverse at the end of the movie. he didn't have much time to study theory behind dimensional gates (he had, however, enough time to learn what stabilizes the portal, etc).Selonianth said:He already more or less understands it because of Loki, the challenge is a good enough power source. He'd have to create his own Tesseract.
It's possible JARVIS actually can't trigger; Dragon is an AI created by Tinkertech, and so has a connection to the Entity and its Shards that JARVIS lacks, and that connection/basis might be necessary for an AI to trigger. They also seem to be fundamentally different in how they work and are designed, which could also affect things. It really depends on exactly how a trigger for something non-living works- he might be able to trigger, he might not.Armok said:I think there is an important issue that most of you are overlooking. We know that A.I. can trigger in Wormverse, so will JARVIS get a trigger event? Maybe like something from TRON?
Jarvis has too good a support network in Tony and Taylor. On the other hand, as a second-gen, from associating with Dragon... Maybe?Armok said:I think there is an important issue that most of you are overlooking. We know that A.I. can trigger in Wormverse, so will JARVIS get a trigger event? Maybe like something from TRON?
JARVIS could trigger, if he was driven to that level of hopelessness.NSMS said:It's possible JARVIS actually can't trigger; Dragon is an AI created by Tinkertech, and so has a connection to the Entity and its Shards that JARVIS lacks, and that connection/basis might be necessary for an AI to trigger. They also seem to be fundamentally different in how they work and are designed, which could also affect things. It really depends on exactly how a trigger for something non-living works- he might be able to trigger, he might not.
So possible, but not likely to happen anytime soon.arthurh3535 said:JARVIS could trigger, if he was driven to that level of hopelessness.
JARVIS' most important feature is that his kernel and basic programming is fully within the capacity of early 21st Century computing capacity and understanding, with allowance for Comic Book cutting edge advances. Meaning that, given at least the basic instructions from Tony, a skilled programmer (you don't want to trust AI programming to a novice) can reproduce it or create derivatives.Yog said:Jarvis has too good a support network in Tony and Taylor. On the other hand, as a second-gen, from associating with Dragon... Maybe?
Creating "butler" programs for PRT tinkers may (partially) solve the whole tinker-tech is impractical to mass-manufacture problem too.Delta Green said:Creating "Dumb AI"-variants of JARVIS focused on Power Suit manufacturing and maintenance is likely within Tony's general plans. That he can offload the grunt work of that to... well, grunt programmers is the true marvel.
So, make a dumb A.I. that assists in, records and analyzes what its assigned tinker constructs. With every set of mass-produced tech of said tinker distribute a maintenance package that includes a copy / beta-fork of said A.I. with the ability to contact the main intelligence and assist in the repairs. It basically acts as that "massive user manual", only the manual is self-updating, learning and proactive (capable of thinking up problems and either finding solutions or asking its tinker about them before those problems arise and when said tinker has time).The tinker knows he could write a massive user manual, explaining everything, but he can't cover every eventuality. Not every climate nor every possible scenario, or what might happen if someone is forced to improvise a solution.
Aww... That would rob him of his big advantage - lack of mind blocks. Shame. Plausible, though.arthurh3535 said:Tony is likely to trigger, actually. He's in a worse head-space than the last IM movie.
As Tattletale and the drawing show, it's much more than that.Selonianth said:
He already has those and has started building them. What do you think Moron and Nitwit are? Intelligent Assistants.Delta Green said:JARVIS' most important feature is that his kernel and basic programming is fully within the capacity of early 21st Century computing capacity and understanding, with allowance for Comic Book cutting edge advances. Meaning that, given at least the basic instructions from Tony, a skilled programmer (you don't want to trust AI programming to a novice) can reproduce it or create derivatives.
Creating "Dumb AI"-variants of JARVIS focused on Power Suit manufacturing and maintenance is likely within Tony's general plans. That he can offload the grunt work of that to... well, grunt programmers is the true marvel.
The problem most "merely" brilliant/genius (and not SUPERGENIUS) researchers in Marvel, either Comic or Movie-verse, have in reverse-engineering/reproducing Stark/Richards/von Doom/*insert other supergenius* technology is that they are starting from "it can be done with what we have" and "we understand the basic principles", but have no idea of what shortcuts, workarounds, elegant solutions and compromises said supergenii used to achieve their super-tech.
Remember that the appanage of the supergenius (like Tesla) is finding the elegant solution where others see only complicated ones.
I imagine the first programmer to get a good look at JARVIS's 1.0 base programming (because Tony isn't likely to show them all the nifty tweaks and upgrades he added to JARVIS over the years) is going to go "It's a very big program certainly but his solution to *X problem*... It's so simple and so damn elegant. Why didn't we think of that?"
Oh boy, let's give the strongest unpowered supergenius in half the marvelverse superpowers. What can go wrong?arthurh3535 said:Tony is likely to trigger, actually. He's in a worse head-space than the last IM movie.
Consider who he's around the most that he could get a budding shard from.Roarian said:Oh boy, let's give the strongest unpowered supergenius in half the marvelverse superpowers. What can go wrong?
If he gets a Shard from someone else, the Trigger threshold is low enough that even with a good support network he could easily trigger.Aranfan said:Would Jarvis and now Taylor count as enough of a support network that he wouldn't trigger?
I kinda hope he doesn't trigger.
Eh, I'm thinking Starkium (as it was named in the movie) is a fairly safe form of Vibranium. And Tony will do the same he did to make his Mark III ARC Reactor, he'll build himself a Cyclotron and fabricate it.syed said:WIth no vibranium, what are they going to use as a power source for the suits, palladium was poisonous.
What did he use in the large scale versions he was making.