Arthur Hansen
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Err, 2 a month, right? He's up in the forties for his last version.hpackrat said:
Falling Iron (IM MCU/WORM)
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Economic validity. It's a super-advanced tech. It's built in an equivalent of the cave with the equivalent of a box of scraps. It is likely failing apart near constantly because tools to build tools to build tools needed to produce a reliable, working, mass-producible, economically viable equivalent weren't made yet. It is also very crippled. Each tinker gets one aspect that they can do well. But no one device only relies on one aspect of technology. So you get A.I.s that should be run on closed time-loop like calculation using computers being plugged into laptops. You get power armor that runs on Li-ion batteries. Teleproters that substitute copper wiring for superconducting graphene wires. Etc, etc, etc.Tinker-tech, in addition to being hyperadvanced is:Ixenathier said:
1) Being built, maintained and designed without proper tools or infrastructure (in a cave, with a box of scraps)
2) Shizo-tech, mix of different design ideologies and science development levels (basically, like a modern computer that uses steam for power).
3) Prototype-ish. All devices tinkers make are, essentially, prototypes an laboratory equipment. They are not designed for mass production.Tinkers constantly innovate. This means that no design is ever polished and prepared for mass-production.
Delta Green
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Anyway, point of the matter being, since Tony doesn't cheat by way of Tinker powers on the design and conception stage, he can actually create MassProd models of his tech instead of BlackBox technology.
His genius is just a Comic-Book Universe cheat, but at least it's not extra-dimensional cheating and it can be dumb-ed down. refined and perfected.
Hell, his entire point as Iron Man is constantly tinkering with, refining and creating derivatives of the original Iron Man concept and technology.
His genius is just a Comic-Book Universe cheat, but at least it's not extra-dimensional cheating and it can be dumb-ed down. refined and perfected.
Hell, his entire point as Iron Man is constantly tinkering with, refining and creating derivatives of the original Iron Man concept and technology.
NSMS
Probably evil, unfortunately.
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Last post on the subject, then:The Unicorn said:
There's no guarantee the success rate would increase over time- Tinkertech is weird and alien, and won't necessarily make logical sense. Improvement over time would require changes to improve it from figuring out what works and what doesn't, and that may not be possible because the necessary chances may be too weird to the human mindset to figure out, or simply rely on such advanced tech-knowledge that we can't figure them out. Plus, there's the cost-effectiveness issue; one super effective piece of technology isn't really worth it if you can get dozens or hundreds of normal pieces in the same time frame for the same cost.
The issue with the maintenance is that you'd need considerably more than that. The fighter jet example? Jets use technology that is understood, with fully documented solutions to most problems and the understanding available to create solutions to non-documented problems, and whilst you do need specialist training to identify problems and perform maintenance that training is based on an understanding of the tech. Tinkertech is not understood, solutions would not be known to most of the problems without direct help from the Tinker (which would drastically cut down on inventing time) or by discovery via trial and error, and working out what's actually wrong with the tech is going to be beyond normal people- they don't understand how it works, so they can't think (for example) 'it makes a weird ticking noise, which means that the secondary plasma coil is out of alignment, and it does it every two seconds and is quiet so it's a housing failure'.
First of all, spoilers please. Secondly, while not being that useful in the fight at the end of the world, the addition of mass-produced advanced power armor may be enough to avert it before it starts.hpackrat said:
Think about it. If all humanoid PRT capes receive armors, then the death and injury rate against Endbringers will drop, which could lead to butterflies.
Plus, because Tony is not a parahuman, he doesn't have mental blocks that protect Entities. That's important, because he'll be figuring out dimension-travelling tech at one point or another for sure.
Or use several arc reactors (many of them). Though I'm not sure how much he has learned from the tesseract. He was sent to the wormverse at the end of the movie. he didn't have much time to study theory behind dimensional gates (he had, however, enough time to learn what stabilizes the portal, etc).Selonianth said:
Getting his hands on Haywire's research would be important I believe. For one the "there's no way to get to the universe that's closer than 30 years past the split" thing is kinda retarded, really. All you need is a midway station. Portal somewhere that has split away a million years ago, then target the original universe (if you can target at all, of course, but it should be possible), and change the coordinates just a tiny bit (if the spatial coordinates of the split universes is a smooth function, of course). Congratulations! You are now in a universe that diverged from original point of departure less than x years/months/days/minutes/seconds in the past.
NSMS
Probably evil, unfortunately.
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It's possible JARVIS actually can't trigger; Dragon is an AI created by Tinkertech, and so has a connection to the Entity and its Shards that JARVIS lacks, and that connection/basis might be necessary for an AI to trigger. They also seem to be fundamentally different in how they work and are designed, which could also affect things. It really depends on exactly how a trigger for something non-living works- he might be able to trigger, he might not.Armok said:
Jarvis has too good a support network in Tony and Taylor. On the other hand, as a second-gen, from associating with Dragon... Maybe?Armok said:
Arthur Hansen
Author of no Authority.
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- Utah, behind the Zion Curtain.
JARVIS could trigger, if he was driven to that level of hopelessness.NSMS said:
NSMS
Probably evil, unfortunately.
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So possible, but not likely to happen anytime soon.arthurh3535 said:
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Actually, that bring up another question: is there any chance of Tony triggering?
Delta Green
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JARVIS' most important feature is that his kernel and basic programming is fully within the capacity of early 21st Century computing capacity and understanding, with allowance for Comic Book cutting edge advances. Meaning that, given at least the basic instructions from Tony, a skilled programmer (you don't want to trust AI programming to a novice) can reproduce it or create derivatives.Yog said:
Creating "Dumb AI"-variants of JARVIS focused on Power Suit manufacturing and maintenance is likely within Tony's general plans. That he can offload the grunt work of that to... well, grunt programmers is the true marvel.
The problem most "merely" brilliant/genius (and not SUPERGENIUS) researchers in Marvel, either Comic or Movie-verse, have in reverse-engineering/reproducing Stark/Richards/von Doom/*insert other supergenius* technology is that they are starting from "it can be done with what we have" and "we understand the basic principles", but have no idea of what shortcuts, workarounds, elegant solutions and compromises said supergenii used to achieve their super-tech.
Remember that the appanage of the supergenius (like Tesla) is finding the elegant solution where others see only complicated ones.
I imagine the first programmer to get a good look at JARVIS's 1.0 base programming (because Tony isn't likely to show them all the nifty tweaks and upgrades he added to JARVIS over the years) is going to go "It's a very big program certainly but his solution to *X problem*... It's so simple and so damn elegant. Why didn't we think of that?"
Arthur Hansen
Author of no Authority.
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- Utah, behind the Zion Curtain.
Tony is likely to trigger, actually. He's in a worse head-space than the last IM movie.
Creating "butler" programs for PRT tinkers may (partially) solve the whole tinker-tech is impractical to mass-manufacture problem too.Delta Green said:
Wildbow said:
So, make a dumb A.I. that assists in, records and analyzes what its assigned tinker constructs. With every set of mass-produced tech of said tinker distribute a maintenance package that includes a copy / beta-fork of said A.I. with the ability to contact the main intelligence and assist in the repairs. It basically acts as that "massive user manual", only the manual is self-updating, learning and proactive (capable of thinking up problems and either finding solutions or asking its tinker about them before those problems arise and when said tinker has time).
It would likely allow for at least low-level tinker stuff to be implemented and maintained in combat situations, and especially in civilian life (where the general stress on the equipment is lower).
Aww... That would rob him of his big advantage - lack of mind blocks. Shame. Plausible, though.arthurh3535 said:
As Tattletale and the drawing show, it's much more than that.Selonianth said:
Also, spoilers please
Arthur Hansen
Author of no Authority.
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- Utah, behind the Zion Curtain.
He already has those and has started building them. What do you think Moron and Nitwit are? Intelligent Assistants.Delta Green said:
So yeah, Tony can really make waves. But after he's moved into the Protectorate base where he's a little more secure to get his sleep.
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Oh boy, let's give the strongest unpowered supergenius in half the marvelverse superpowers. What can go wrong?arthurh3535 said:
Arthur Hansen
Author of no Authority.
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- Utah, behind the Zion Curtain.
Consider who he's around the most that he could get a budding shard from.Roarian said:
NSMS
Probably evil, unfortunately.
- Location
- A rapidly widening tear in the fabric of reality
If he gets a Shard from someone else, the Trigger threshold is low enough that even with a good support network he could easily trigger.Aranfan said:
NSMS
Probably evil, unfortunately.
- Location
- A rapidly widening tear in the fabric of reality
Taylor's Shard isn't about biological powers; it's the administration Shard. So one from her would lead to things like multi-tasking ability, control over some class of creature, that sort of thing. A confirmed offshoot of her Shard is controlling birds, for example.
Arthur Hansen
Author of no Authority.
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- Utah, behind the Zion Curtain.
Tony would get 'control mice' or something silly. He'd hate it.
jwolfe_beta
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Honestly I'm hoping that Tony doesn't trigger. One of the reasons he has always been my favorite super-hero was that he was 'normal'. Yes he is one of the best super-geniuses in Marvel but compared to many of the things and people he throws down with he's just a normal guy not a demi-god, super-mutant, android, magic user etc. It's just having him end up becoming a Wormverse parahuman seems like a move away from who and what Tony Stark is.
Arthur Hansen
Author of no Authority.
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- Utah, behind the Zion Curtain.
Eh, I'm thinking Starkium (as it was named in the movie) is a fairly safe form of Vibranium. And Tony will do the same he did to make his Mark III ARC Reactor, he'll build himself a Cyclotron and fabricate it.syed said:
Palladium will be perfectly fine for use in suits though. It's not recommended for long term life implants near the heart.