Exploding Canon (Worm SI)

I'm so totally confused by what's going on and on hindsight it's not because of the SI's all over the place mental chatter either.

So the Simurgh was observing the SI for some vague reasons given earlier, but it's been a while and I can't recall what the specifics was, but anyway! GG was about to deliver the beat down on Bakuda, and Simurgh to the rescue?! That would make this a double attack by it since it had already attacked Canberra back in February, correct? So Bakuda's working through... physical pains and etc, and built 6 exotic bombs while continuing to ramble on and on and on, and it's been long enough that some of the residents of BB are Simurgh-bombs now? Hence she ran into the 2 creepy girls and she ended up triggering one or both?
 
I'm so totally confused by what's going on and on hindsight it's not because of the SI's all over the place mental chatter either.

So the Simurgh was observing the SI for some vague reasons given earlier, but it's been a while and I can't recall what the specifics was, but anyway! GG was about to deliver the beat down on Bakuda, and Simurgh to the rescue?! That would make this a double attack by it since it had already attacked Canberra back in February, correct? So Bakuda's working through... physical pains and etc, and built 6 exotic bombs while continuing to ramble on and on and on, and it's been long enough that some of the residents of BB are Simurgh-bombs now? Hence she ran into the 2 creepy girls and she ended up triggering one or both?
The Simurgh was observing Bakuda because... well, here's the relevant part of the story.

Brain activity a bad match to actions.

Conscious thoughts are primarily restricted to variations on the following:

"I have to pee."

"I'm tired."

"I'm hungry."

"Wait, what was I doing again?"

This is only marginally more introspective and self-aware than the spiders occupying the corners. Completely inappropriate to most subjects. This is a host, though. This is somewhat extreme by the standards of databased subjects, but would not normally be of interest.

That it is true at all times is of considerably more interest.

There are other subjects with this particular quirk, but it always starts from the moment they become a host. This subject has already been a host for some time. Postcognition indicates no situation occurred in which limits would be removed, and it is uncharacteristic for a host to receive this form of boon given existing parameters.

This subject's opacity and altered behavior is derailing Plan #47, which had previously been rated at 37% and rising, a full 15% ahead of Plan #4, 18% ahead of Plan #33, and only 1% behind Plan #66, which has been losing a percent periodically and is projected to continue doing so indefinitely.

Pinging.

Ping rejected.

Not abnormal.

Turning to indirect data gathering.

Short version: Her thoughts don't match her actions, she's derailing Simurgh Plots TM, and if I'm reading this right the shard rejected a direct query but that's not in any way alarming to the Simurgh, just changes it's information gathering approach.
 
I'm still suspicious that the SI is a null to the Simurgh which is why (in my current theory) the Endbringer turned up in person to "correct" the inexplicable derail going on in Brockton Bay instead of OTL Leviathan.

And that the SI even now doesn't realise this, because they know the Simurgh is so good at Xanatos gambits. E.g.: Ziz notes the bag of tinker grenades on the ground, grabs them; SI sets them off before Ziz can use them, which is (in my theory) Not-As-Planned for Ziz; the incidental damage to Ziz causes collateral damage, and the SI assumes this is what Ziz planned all along. Can't hear the scream? It has to be a ploy. Something bad happens? Ziz did it. Something good happens? Ziz is setting you up to do it later. Even when Ziz loses it still "wins", because people are primed to believe their successes are failures.

Or I could be completely wrong. Because Ziz. :rolleyes:

Oh, Bakuda has acknowledged the possibility, she's just not willing to seriously entertain it. If events play out such that she has good reason to believe it, she won't be shocked, but for the moment she's assuming she's a Simurgh-bomb, just, like, a subtle Simurgh-bomb.

Admittedly, as far as she's concerned she's either a Simurgh-bomb or an Abbadon-missile, so she's not really viewing this as a huge change of circumstance regardless.

I... wait a minute. Is Bakuda!SI's shard learning from her making other people trigger? Because that's all sorts of ominous and awesome.

WOG is that shards will ping the shards of nearby hosts during the trigger event, and ideas will be shared by the shards. (My recollection is that it's fanon-that-might-actually-be-canon that this is why Glory Girl randomly has her emotional aura -her shard pinged Gallant's shard, and I guess combined its forcefields with emotional manipulation)

So yes, basically.

I'm so totally confused by what's going on and on hindsight it's not because of the SI's all over the place mental chatter either.

So the Simurgh was observing the SI for some vague reasons given earlier, but it's been a while and I can't recall what the specifics was, but anyway! GG was about to deliver the beat down on Bakuda, and Simurgh to the rescue?! That would make this a double attack by it since it had already attacked Canberra back in February, correct? So Bakuda's working through... physical pains and etc, and built 6 exotic bombs while continuing to ramble on and on and on, and it's been long enough that some of the residents of BB are Simurgh-bombs now? Hence she ran into the 2 creepy girls and she ended up triggering one or both?

That's the gist of it.

Note that it is canon that sometimes an Endbringer will attack twice in a row, it's just unusual. (And the list we're given has no triple attacks, so a triple attack would be unprecedented)

Hah, the shards consider being totally focused on fighting and Tinkering an upgrade, for the hosts. This is more amusing than it should be.

It took me a few minutes to parse what you were saying here because it's totally correct but I couldn't figure out what it had to do with the sentence being quoted.

The Simurgh is describing offloading cognition to the shard as a "boon".

Awww :-(

I thought you'd put that in on purpose

Maybe unconsciously-on-purpose. I spend a fair amount of time making decisions and only later parsing why exactly I thought the decision was a good one because my reasons were complicated, multi-layered, and not explicitly verbally expressed inside my head at the time.

My primary conscious thought at the time was addressing the potential audience concern of "Why is Bakuda just wandering around on foot? Why hasn't she tried to find better transport??" with a secondary point that I probably would give a bike a try if I found one. (And probably still not be able to cope)

Or-

Simurgh confirmed for breaking 4th wall, influencing author directly.

-sure, let's go with that.
 
4.d
I'm not 100% sure the timeline shakes out correctly, but I'm reasonably confident there's wiggle room.

4.d

Dinah

One hour before the Simurgh's arrival


"Mom."

Mrs. Alcott is in the middle of baking blueberry muffins -Dinah's favorite- when her daughter speaks up, standing just inside the kitchen. She has a disturbingly serious manner, but her mother does her best to ignore that, smiling brightly and saying "Yes, honey? Do you need something?"

Dinah doesn't answer the question, instead saying "You need to listen, mom. A man is going to knock at the door in two minutes, asking to see me." Dinah's mother starts to say something, but Dinah talks right over her, something she has never done to anyone, let alone her own mother. She sounds rehearsed, and Mrs. Alcott finds herself disturbed.

"He will introduce himself as Thomas Calvert, on official business." A brief, deliberate pause. "This is a lie. He is a bad man-" Dinah is shaking a little, and stumbles a moment over her words, but resolutely continues talking, ignoring her mother's face dropping. "-who will do and say whatever he thinks will get him in here." She pauses again, looking down, then looks her mother directly in the eye. "You'll need the gun in the sofa."

Mrs. Alcott flinches at that. She already knew about the pistol -a completely justified piece of paranoia, given Brockton Bay- but she'd been sure her daughter had never found it, for all that she'd nagged her husband to move it someplace less at risk of being found by their daughter or a playmate. He'd refused to change its location, insisting the entire point was that it be readily accessible in an emergency. That their daughter or one of their daughter's friends might find it and hurt or kill herself by accident was insufficient to move him... and, well.

Brockton Bay.

Dinah scampers off before Mrs. Alcott can get her equilibrium back. Reflexively, she follows her daughter into the living room, but Dinah is nowhere to be seen -or heard. In the moment it takes for her to decide whether to check upstairs or in the garage, she's struck off-balance again by the doorbell ringing. Almost immediately someone is knocking, calling out "Mrs. Alcott?"

A knot settles like lead in her stomach.

She calls out "One minute!" while making her way to the door... with a brief stop to retrieve the pistol. She doesn't believe Dinah. She doesn't. She's just... on edge. Her daughter was kidnapped. A mother has a right to worry, even if it's irrational. Obviously.

She covers the sound of cocking the gun by calling out "Almost there, almost there." in her best hostess voice, still approaching the door. When she reaches the door, she keeps the security chain in, opening the door only partway and holding the gun behind the door in her left hand. Smiling brightly, she says "Can I help you?" in her warmest and most welcoming voice.

The man in front of her is nondescript. A bit pale, a bit thin, and for some reason wearing an overly large, out of place hat, but nothing about his appearance or demeanor suggests danger. He's not wearing a uniform, instead dressed in black pants and a simple white shirt, somewhere between casualwear and formalwear. He tips his hat at her, the motion obviously unpracticed -this isn't a man who wears a hat normally- and says "Hello Mrs. Alcott, I'm with the Parahuman Response Team-" he flashes an official-looking badge at her and continues "-here to follow up on Dinah's kidnapping, as it's our understanding that she was taken by a parahuman criminal, one... Coil?" Something about his hesitance over the name Coil feels off, almost theatrical. Mrs. Alcott tells herself she's imagining it, that the unfamiliarity is for some other reason. She's never heard of a parahuman called "Coil". Maybe he's just new.

She keeps the gun ready.

The man continues, apparently unruffled by her reserved attitude past her initial greeting. "I'm Thomas Calvert-" what? Nononono "- and I was assigned-" his eyes drift a little, and she feels herself thinking of one of her poker friends' tells, when they're hiding something "-to make sure Dinah is well and, in particular, is not under any lingering parahuman influence." He makes an apologetic motion with one hand. "I understand if you don't want me to take her in for a full battery of tests, but I would be remiss in my duty if I didn't at least see the girl myself."

Mrs. Alcott's eyes drift to the car in the driveway. She notes that it's not a PRT vehicle. It's a nice car, she couldn't name the model, but not something a PRT grunt could realistically afford. So... either he's higher ranking than that, or he's flat-out lying. She pastes an expression of contrition on and apologizes. "I'm sorry, but Dinah is still recovering from the experience. I don't know when she'll be ready to see strangers. She's asleep right now, and I would hate to wake her after what she's been through, Mr. Calvert."

Calvert's expression doesn't change any, and he says "Oh, I understand completely, but this really is quite important. Parahuman powers can be subtle, and dangerous. You'll need an expert-"

She interrupts, still doing her best to look apologetic. "I'll call the PRT or New Wave the moment she's awake, I assure you, but she needs her bedrest. In fact, I can't spare too much time for this, I really should get back to taking care of her, so unless there's another matter, Mr. Calvert?..."

For the briefest of moments, so brief she would've missed it if she had blinked at the wrong moment, Calvert's expression twists into a rictus of fury and hatred. It instantly smooths out and he simply says "That's... unfortunate, Mrs. Alcott. You are making a mistake, though I quite understand your reasons. Are you sure you won't reconsider?"

She shakes her head, and leaves that as her answer. Mr. Calvert waits five, ten seconds, and then turns and leaves, shaking his head slowly, as if feeling sorry for Dinah. She closes the door and locks it, then watches through the peephole. It takes another five minutes for Calvert to start the car and pull out of the driveway.

She lets loose a sigh of relief, glad the gun was unnecessary, unsettled. The whole thing was eerie.

"Mom, we need to go." Mrs. Alcott jerks, thankfully not pulling the trigger or dropping the gun, startled by how Dinah has snuck up on her. Turning to face her daughter, frowning, Mrs. Alcott is brought up short by the suitcase Dinah has beside her, the backpack she's wearing. Dinah gestures vaguely, saying "I was packing, mom, we need to go now, before something really bad happens."

Somewhere between humoring her daughter and genuine, terrified curiosity, she asks "Go where, dear?"

Dinah says "Anywhere that isn't Brockton Bay."

That brings her up short. "Anywhere?"

"Anywhere."

Mrs. Alcott goes quiet for a minute. Dinah waits with strange patience in spite of her earlier urgency and in spite of being just a child, so prone to impatience otherwise. It unsettles Mrs. Alcott, and she makes her decision. With a broad (fake, hopefully Dinah can't tell) smile on her face, she says "You know, it has been a while since we visited your grandmother in Georgia. Give me five minutes to pack, and we can be beyond city limits in half an hour." She pauses while Dinah sags in relief. "Let me call your father, too."

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Dinah fidgets the entire time, up until they've passed the city limits. Somewhat absently, Mrs. Alcott notes that the sky is heavily overcast, no rain. Oddly uniform, too. Unusual. She puts it out of her mind, passing the time with idle chatter to distract Dinah. It doesn't work very well, and naming one of Dinah's friends in passing brings her to the very edge of tears. She just focuses on driving after that.

Unfortunately, Dinah's father hadn't been able to make time. Any other day, this would've been cause to shrug and say to Dinah "More fun for us." Today... it leaves her uneasy.

Ten, maybe fifteen minutes after they've left the city, something in the rear-view mirror catches her attention. Something breaking through the clouds, trailing smoky wisps from its many, many enormous wings, body pale as marble and far too large.

The Simurgh.

She blanches and glances at her daughter, unwilling to believe. Dinah looks back, and though she murmurs "The angel" to herself, she doesn't evince real surprise. Sadness, but not surprise.

Mrs. Alcott decides the speed limit is more of a suggestion than a rule. You can tell when any given other driver notices, as they all come to the same philosophical position on the law when they do.

She very pointedly does not think about the fact that her daughter is a parahuman. Too many things to process, others more immediately relevant.

Like that her husband is almost certainly lost to her.

Like that her daughter's friends and father are gone already, and her daughter seemed to know it was coming.

Like that there's no going home.

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She drives for an hour before she stops for a break, but the first thing she does after parking is crush her daughter into a fierce hug and say "Oh, Dinah."
 
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Dinah doesn't answer the question, instead saying "You need to listen, mom. A man is going to knock at the door in two minutes, asking to see me." Dinah's mother starts to say something, but Dinah talks right over her, something she has never done to anyone, let alone her own mother. She sounds rehearsed, and Mrs. Alcott finds herself disturbed.

Ooh, doing the "watch yourself in the future saying this" thing to make sure it goes well. Eerie little mini PtV effect.

Dinah looks back, and though she murmurs "The angel" to herself

Spooky Dinah continues to be spooky.

She very pointedly does not think about the fact that her daughter is a parahuman. Too many things to process, others more immediately relevant.

Like that her husband is almost certainly lost to her.

And, connecting those, that your daughter didn't care enough about him to even try and bring him with you. I mean I'm sure Dinah knew why it wouldn't work and why going back for him would get them all zized or killed, but that's still got to be eerie from the outside.

Like that her daughter's friends and father are gone already, and her daughter seemed to know it was coming.

I wonder at what point in the kidnapping Dinah gave up on ever really being able to talk to her friends again. It doesn't seem like the kind of thing she'd do, not once she hit the "desperately trying to appear like an adult so I don't get taken advantage of" stage, but I wonder when she hit that resolution.

Like that there's no going home.

Don't be so fatalistic, Mrs Alcott! You can go back after the quarantine and see it from outside, at least.

At least Dinah wasn't playing the part of Cassandra this time, with her parents not believing that she has powers.

Her getting kidnapped for the powers nips that in the bud, but they still want to disbelieve everything she says, so I think that's still happening, just as a background thing.
 
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Awww... Poor Dinah. At least she managed to get out of all of this. Mrs. Alcott is kind of awesome, though she should have believed her daughter more readily.
 
Man, Mrs. Alcott must have shot Coil like two or three times. He did take a long time to leave.
Man, you have me imagining this scene...

She interrupts, still doing her best to look apologetic. "I'll call the PRT or New Wave the moment she's awake, I assure you, but she needs her bedrest. In fact, I can't spare too much time for this, I really should get back to taking care of her, so unless there's another matter, Mr. Calvert?..."

For the briefest of moments, so brief she would've missed it if she had blinked at the wrong moment, Calvert's expression twists into a rictus of fury and hatred. It instantly smooths out and he simply says "That's... unfortunate, Mrs. Alcott. You are making a mistake, though I quite understand your reasons. Are you sure you won't reconsider?"

She shakes her head, and leaves that as her answer. Mr. Calvert waits five, ten seconds, and then turns and leaves, shaking his head slowly, as if feeling sorry for Dinah. She closes the door and locks it, then watches through the peephole. It takes another five minutes for Calvert to start the car and pull out of the driveway.

As this:

She interrupts, still doing her best to look apologetic. "I'll call the PRT or New Wave the moment she's awake, I assure you, but she needs her bedrest. In fact, I can't spare too much time for this, I really should get back to taking care of her, so unless there's another matter, Mr. Calvert?..." meanwhile, in the other dimension: "actually Mrs Alcott, there is" grabs door, gets shot

For the briefest of moments, so brief she would've missed it if she had blinked at the wrong moment, Calvert's expression twists into a rictus of fury and hatred. Resplits, tries again in one while saying in the other: It instantly smooths out and he simply says "That's... unfortunate, Mrs. Alcott. You are making a mistake, though I quite understand your reasons. Are you sure you won't reconsider?"

She shakes her head, and leaves that as her answer. Mr. Calvert waits five, gets shot in another split, ten seconds, and another,and then turns and leaves, shaking his head slowly, as if feeling sorry for Dinah. She closes the door and locks it, then watches through the peephole. It takes another five minutes for Calvert to start the car and pull out of the driveway.
 
She shakes her head, and leaves that as her answer. Mr. Calvert waits five, gets shot in another split, ten seconds, and another,and then turns and leaves, shaking his head slowly, as if feeling sorry for Dinah. She closes the door and locks it, then watches through the peephole. It takes another five minutes for Calvert to start the car and pull out of the driveway.
That was certainly the implication I took from it, with undertones that over that five minutes Dinah and her mom beat him so many times that he gave up on it as a bad job.
 
I wonder at what point in the kidnapping Dinah gave up on ever really being able to talk to her friends again. It doesn't seem like the kind of thing she'd do, not once she hit the "desperately trying to appear like an adult so I don't get taken advantage of" stage, but I wonder when she hit that resolution.

Well, she probably gave up... right before the start of the Interlude.

Precogs can't predict Endbringers, and in canon we see -indirectly- that even Dinah is affected by this. It's only when Leviathian is an hour-ish from arriving that her predictions start changing to account for Leviathan's influence, and though we don't get her perspective or anything in the scene, she seems to not be predicting Leviathan's arrival per se. She just answers Coil's questions on "Undersiders this, Undersiders that" with much lower odds than she gave that morning, and indeed when re-questioned lowers the odds further -presumably because Leviathan is completely derailing things, and somehow the closer he is to arrival the more clearly her precog accounts for his influence while still being oblivious to his existence per se.

So here? Dinah had inferred that something bad is going to happen, but not what, specifically. She didn't actually know the Simurgh was coming, she just worked out something like "nowhere in Brockton Bay is safe, and that's getting more true as time passes."

Back when she was in Coil's hands, her numbers/prediction situation probably went something like

-Pre SI insertion. Predicting canon, basically.

-Bakuda becomes SI Bakuda. The future changes. Yaaay, I'm going home sooner, and without getting hooked on "candy" first!

so this is kind of a gut-punch of a Good End for Dinah. She thought everything was done/better, and nope, Simurgh.

Her getting kidnapped for the powers nips that in the bud, but they still want to disbelieve everything she says, so I think that's still happening, just as a background thing.

Mrs. Alcott desperately wants to disbelieve, but also doesn't want her daughter kidnapped again or something to that effect. Her desire to believe Dinah is "normal" is warring with her desire to actually take care of Dinah, and the latter just barely won out in this Interlude.

That was certainly the implication I took from it, with undertones that over that five minutes Dinah and her mom beat him so many times that he gave up on it as a bad job.

Huzzah! I'm getting better at this "subtle but comprehensible to the audience" thing!

Yes, Calvert got schooled -repeatedly- by a housewife with a pistol. (I never quite figured out how to fit it naturally into the Interlude, but my concept is that Mrs. Alcott has no formal training with firearms, having been given some informal training by her husband so she could use this pistol effectively if anything terrible were to happen)

I considered writing the scene from Calvert/Coil's perspective, but I felt the Interlude lost something/turned too comedic if the audience got to see exactly what he was doing and how consistently it was failing.

Plus we've already got a great Interlude from his perspective that touches on that basic idea. Why retread that ground?
 
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Good call.
Anything more direct than the implications of Calvert getting shot repeatedly in other timelines would've stuck out like a sore thumb given the overall tone of the chapter.

Still...damn. Driving away from the city your husband is in only to see the Simurgh descending just after you left. You went right for the jugular.
 
Wait, how did Calvert get the time to do this? I thought he was running from Bakuda just moments before with Circus covering him? Or was that a decoy guy?

Here's what I thought has been happening:

Bakuda's still on her period, with minor concussion, fighting through Coil's base after she cures Noelle, then run to the PRT headquarters with Oni-Lee and Lung to get at Calvert? She sees Circus protecting a guy with a surgery scar on the back of his head, thinks it's Calvert, and goes after him, at this point Protectorate shows up and lures off Oni-Lee, Bakuda got jumped by GG, was about to receive the beat down of her life when Simurgh dropped... so this Dinah scene, that's pre Bakuda running off to the PRT?
 
Wait, wouldn't Coil getting shot in the head blown up Mrs. Alcott? Thought he had a bomb in his head. A Tinker-tech bomb.
 
A: he removed it. B: if he dies, that timeline auto aborts.

Forgot he removed it and I know the timeline auto-ends when he dies. I just meant that I thought Dinah would've been a little more careful of having her mother try to kill Calvert because she didn't know what his power was and (at the time I thought he still had it) that he had a bomb in his head.
 
Forgot he removed it and I know the timeline auto-ends when he dies. I just meant that I thought Dinah would've been a little more careful of having her mother try to kill Calvert because she didn't know what his power was and (at the time I thought he still had it) that he had a bomb in his head.
Except Dinah can predict social. "0% chance Thomas Calvert gets the bomb in his head asploded", and that's assuming adequate area affected to kill Mrs Alcott.
 
Yeah, and most bombs don't go off if you shoot them.

Well, normal bombs wouldn't(And even so, there's still a chance). I'm not too sure about Tinker-tech ones and especially not Bakuda's. Not with all the exotic effects and the fact that the Tinkers don't really know how everything goes into their tech(what's fragile and not and shit).

Except Dinah can predict social. "0% chance Thomas Calvert gets the bomb in his head asploded", and that's assuming adequate area affected to kill Mrs Alcott.

How the hell would she know that he's got a bomb in his head though? I meant she'd(or she should) ask how likely her mom would die in killing or trying to kill Coil and with the(apparently nonexistent so my worries are moot anyhow) bomb in his head, the % would be pretty high.
 
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