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"You cannot throw more than 12 dice." Hm, useless.
Mmm.
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"You cannot throw more than 12 dice." Hm, useless.
Mmm.
I'm tentatively assuming that this has slightly more affirmation than "Hmm."
That's a pretty good point.
Actually, hm, I wonder how Lea would react if Ulyssian isn't the successful reincarnation of Odyssial? If she knew that he'd been working on some Reincarnation-related stuff but (due to not actually taking the full "Reincarnation Preparation" option) and may have held on to some hope of it succeeding.
Would Lea be expecting Odyssial to come back in the Second Age, or no?
The option does say, "Odyssial makes preparations for his reincarnated self to have acceptable access to equipment, aid, and succor; they need only seek out Lea to be granted such. If they can't even seek out Lea, well, the reincarnation must have been imperfect."
So we have a Questline already that is different from prior quests.
That's talking about it from the perspective of "the incarnation sucks so bad he can't even make it to Lea".
I meant more from the point-of-view of "She's hoping to see Odyssial successfully come back, only to be disappointed and learn he failed". Not sure how she'd react to a totally different Ulyssian.
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Asumming that he is different or that he failed. He be just a recent exalted even if he comes back. with memories of Odyssial coming back to him. Lea can help him out with the memories and level grind him to his full potential.
As well finish the Infinite Singularity Husk with the Fairest.
Hmm one thought that comes to me with that ability of apex flight to store one artifact in the anima and using it on the artifact ship that can with Protector of the West, it would come with all the cargo aboard it right?
So Odyssial cheats and loads all the man portable pieces of his panoply aboard the ship securely and then puts the whole thing into his anima. Bit inconivent though to draw out his sword though for a fight.
The musings of what could have been.
So Odyssial cheats and loads all the man portable pieces of his panoply aboard the ship securely and then puts the whole thing into his anima. Bit inconivent though to draw out his sword though for a fight.
The musings of what could have been.
[X] Reincarnation Planning
[X] Thrown
[X] Lore
[ ] Sail; cuz we're a pirate now.
Though I'm editing my vote, the sail comedy option still lives on in my heart. T_T
[X] Thrown
[X] Lore
[ ] Sail; cuz we're a pirate now.
Though I'm editing my vote, the sail comedy option still lives on in my heart. T_T
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I would argue that many of these things don't really need many of Odyssial's memories to be useful. The sword certainly doesn't. Glorious Solar Saber is something that basically any Melee Solar will learn.
A sane Lunar mate is useful regardless, but there may be some synergy there. Also problems, but that's pretty much inevitable. I just don't like the idea of railroading ourselves into finding her immediately as the optimal course of events.
I would note that The Peerless City specifically works better for a better reincarnation, whereas the Lathe of Heaven doesn't.
Well, changing votes slightly to:
[X] The Lathe of Heaven
[X] Reincarnation Planning
Thinking about it more, I honestly feel rather uncomfortable about not reincarnating properly after all this effort. Even if continuation of consciousness is ensured, there is a notable difference between that and Uly really being the same person as Ody.
They would clearly be very similar regardless but continuation of consciousness is not quite the same as Uly having been Ody with amnesia all along, especially since I feel this makes all the choices scaring various factions and entities shitless through our identity alone and even all the other inherited goodies feel much less deserved.
The fact that they will likely also be less pronounced than in a full reincarnation to me doesn't really seem to make up for the fact that Uly being an objectively different person means he's coasting on someone elses achievements, which especially for someone like Uly just seems wrong.
Trying to get out of the shadow of your predecessor can make for an interesting story, but it's both been done before and doesn't align that well with a character so focused on optimization that not abusing the shit out of that shadow is almost unthinkable, so I'd much rather prefer it's Uly's own shadow all along and his struggle is not to be his own man or something like that but simply to recover fully from death itself and get back into top form already.
Outside of that, I see very little reason why an accurate reincarnation should stop Uly from discovering Creation on his own, when pretty much all his memories will have to be unlocked anyways. It seems rather unlikely that unlocking them would involve sitting in a room and never going outside to see things for himself as opposed to going on epic and new adventures that at their conclusion unlock relevant memories and unveil more than we could have otherwise realized.
As for fears of being almost railroaded into seeking out Lea immediately, I very much doubt there won't be numerous other things that would benefit ridiculously well from immediate attention and, while undoubtedly very potent, we will already have our Artifact N/A sword so it's not like the aid Lea can give us is going to outclass everything else by orders of magnitude, especially not since almost all of her own resources will probably be tied up elsewhere.
An stash of stuff Odyssial calls adequate may be a ridiculous boon, but going after it immediately is hardly going to be mandatory, especially since a test meant to weed out inaccurate reincarnations does not seem like it'd be something we can just jump into without gaining experience and resources through our own adventures first.
At the same time however having a clear goal we can turn towards in the form of the finding Lea quest is extremely valuable from a narrative perspective since it pretty much ensures there will never be any "What now?" moments where interest flags due to a lack of direction, until we're far enough into the story to be involved in more than enough storylines that there'll be very little risk of that.
In regards to arguments from Odyssial's perspective, people have already brought the point up of how ridiculous the achievement of beating death in Exalted really is and how it'd have made a very fitting project for someone of Odyssial's Greatness and priorities to take on, so I won't say too much about that, though I do rather love the signficance of doing so after hanging out with a Chosen of Endings for so long and how well it'd play into their relationship.
What I will adress however is that Odyssial is very much entertaining the possibility of getting killed with the Peerless City as much as with the Reincarnation plan.
In either case he's creating a massively time and resource consuming failsafe that only really comes pays out if a large enough percentage of Creation turns against him at once to kill him. Outside of such an eventuality, the Peerless City does little but respectively reducing the already vanishingly small chance that someone defeats him with less forces than almost all of Creation and making death through any other series of events, which is naturally much less likely to kill him, less punishing.
So if either course of action is likely to be motivated by the thought that the visible deterioation of Solars may cause a large enough portion of Creation to try to kill him, it honestly seems far more sensible to me to invest his time into a scheme that will turn even their success futile and allow him to return to a Creation greatly reduced by the no doubt apocalyptic battle, which makes it even less capable of stopping him while preserving his greatest work, than to hope he will not be assaulted before he completes the fortress making him invincible, when the very act of building it will undoubtedly make any of his foes strike before he can complete it.
[X] The Lathe of Heaven
[X] Reincarnation Planning
Thinking about it more, I honestly feel rather uncomfortable about not reincarnating properly after all this effort. Even if continuation of consciousness is ensured, there is a notable difference between that and Uly really being the same person as Ody.
They would clearly be very similar regardless but continuation of consciousness is not quite the same as Uly having been Ody with amnesia all along, especially since I feel this makes all the choices scaring various factions and entities shitless through our identity alone and even all the other inherited goodies feel much less deserved.
The fact that they will likely also be less pronounced than in a full reincarnation to me doesn't really seem to make up for the fact that Uly being an objectively different person means he's coasting on someone elses achievements, which especially for someone like Uly just seems wrong.
Trying to get out of the shadow of your predecessor can make for an interesting story, but it's both been done before and doesn't align that well with a character so focused on optimization that not abusing the shit out of that shadow is almost unthinkable, so I'd much rather prefer it's Uly's own shadow all along and his struggle is not to be his own man or something like that but simply to recover fully from death itself and get back into top form already.
Outside of that, I see very little reason why an accurate reincarnation should stop Uly from discovering Creation on his own, when pretty much all his memories will have to be unlocked anyways. It seems rather unlikely that unlocking them would involve sitting in a room and never going outside to see things for himself as opposed to going on epic and new adventures that at their conclusion unlock relevant memories and unveil more than we could have otherwise realized.
As for fears of being almost railroaded into seeking out Lea immediately, I very much doubt there won't be numerous other things that would benefit ridiculously well from immediate attention and, while undoubtedly very potent, we will already have our Artifact N/A sword so it's not like the aid Lea can give us is going to outclass everything else by orders of magnitude, especially not since almost all of her own resources will probably be tied up elsewhere.
An stash of stuff Odyssial calls adequate may be a ridiculous boon, but going after it immediately is hardly going to be mandatory, especially since a test meant to weed out inaccurate reincarnations does not seem like it'd be something we can just jump into without gaining experience and resources through our own adventures first.
At the same time however having a clear goal we can turn towards in the form of the finding Lea quest is extremely valuable from a narrative perspective since it pretty much ensures there will never be any "What now?" moments where interest flags due to a lack of direction, until we're far enough into the story to be involved in more than enough storylines that there'll be very little risk of that.
In regards to arguments from Odyssial's perspective, people have already brought the point up of how ridiculous the achievement of beating death in Exalted really is and how it'd have made a very fitting project for someone of Odyssial's Greatness and priorities to take on, so I won't say too much about that, though I do rather love the signficance of doing so after hanging out with a Chosen of Endings for so long and how well it'd play into their relationship.
What I will adress however is that Odyssial is very much entertaining the possibility of getting killed with the Peerless City as much as with the Reincarnation plan.
In either case he's creating a massively time and resource consuming failsafe that only really comes pays out if a large enough percentage of Creation turns against him at once to kill him. Outside of such an eventuality, the Peerless City does little but respectively reducing the already vanishingly small chance that someone defeats him with less forces than almost all of Creation and making death through any other series of events, which is naturally much less likely to kill him, less punishing.
So if either course of action is likely to be motivated by the thought that the visible deterioation of Solars may cause a large enough portion of Creation to try to kill him, it honestly seems far more sensible to me to invest his time into a scheme that will turn even their success futile and allow him to return to a Creation greatly reduced by the no doubt apocalyptic battle, which makes it even less capable of stopping him while preserving his greatest work, than to hope he will not be assaulted before he completes the fortress making him invincible, when the very act of building it will undoubtedly make any of his foes strike before he can complete it.
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[X] Thrown
[X] Lore
Sail sucks!
Not that I have any idea which skills are really suitable for Odyssial's build, but hey, that never stopped anyone from talking bullshit.
On a more serious note, I've liked Odyssial's usage of Thrown weapons in the beginning, and Lore had me at 'predict plans into existence'.
[X] Pick an additional option from any epoch after the one you achieved Greatness 10, for free.
[X] The Peerless City
[X] Reincarnation Planning
Repeating my earlier vote to make the job easier for the vote-counter.
(Assuming Fairest gets chosen automatically, of course)
To elaborate further, Reincarnation Planning is a must-have for me. Not just because it lets Ulyssian have much easier access to Odyssial's resources and legacy, but also because it would break my SoD something fierce if Odyssial didn't take his possible demise into account.
Not specifically because of the Usurpation, as Odyssial didn't know about it, but there are a myriad of possible deaths awaiting at every corner, and he is the sort of person to hedge his bets. Yeah, this is effort that could have been spent on his other projects, but then you have to ask yourself the question: why would Odyssial hurry to complete them if hewasn't afraid of his possible demise didn't anticipate having his life cut short by some freak occurrence.
(Odyssial is never afraid! He's just... careful. Yeah.)
So not preparing his Reincarnation doesn't make much sense to me in either case. Always and forever, Odyssial strives for his utopia, and making sure that everything doesn't just end due to some bad luck is simple common sense. As far as the words 'common sense' can be applied to the idea of 'punching Death in the face' anyway, but that's not Odyssial's problem.
As for 'Peerless City' and 'Lathe of Heaven'... Well, they're both delicious. What clinched it for me was the 'prevents excessive abuses at every level' part. Having 'being terrified of Odyssial' as a basic survival mechanism for demons, gods and demigods is fun and all, but to me, having his home base covered first is more important.
This is not because 'Husk' reminds me uncomfortably of tentacle-monsters, honest.
...Lea isn't into that sort of thing, is she? Or the better question to ask, is Odyssial into that sort of thing?
[X] Lore
Sail sucks!
Not that I have any idea which skills are really suitable for Odyssial's build, but hey, that never stopped anyone from talking bullshit.
On a more serious note, I've liked Odyssial's usage of Thrown weapons in the beginning, and Lore had me at 'predict plans into existence'.
[X] Pick an additional option from any epoch after the one you achieved Greatness 10, for free.
[X] The Peerless City
[X] Reincarnation Planning
Repeating my earlier vote to make the job easier for the vote-counter.
(Assuming Fairest gets chosen automatically, of course)
To elaborate further, Reincarnation Planning is a must-have for me. Not just because it lets Ulyssian have much easier access to Odyssial's resources and legacy, but also because it would break my SoD something fierce if Odyssial didn't take his possible demise into account.
Not specifically because of the Usurpation, as Odyssial didn't know about it, but there are a myriad of possible deaths awaiting at every corner, and he is the sort of person to hedge his bets. Yeah, this is effort that could have been spent on his other projects, but then you have to ask yourself the question: why would Odyssial hurry to complete them if he
(Odyssial is never afraid! He's just... careful. Yeah.)
So not preparing his Reincarnation doesn't make much sense to me in either case. Always and forever, Odyssial strives for his utopia, and making sure that everything doesn't just end due to some bad luck is simple common sense. As far as the words 'common sense' can be applied to the idea of 'punching Death in the face' anyway, but that's not Odyssial's problem.
As for 'Peerless City' and 'Lathe of Heaven'... Well, they're both delicious. What clinched it for me was the 'prevents excessive abuses at every level' part. Having 'being terrified of Odyssial' as a basic survival mechanism for demons, gods and demigods is fun and all, but to me, having his home base covered first is more important.
This is not because 'Husk' reminds me uncomfortably of tentacle-monsters, honest.
...Lea isn't into that sort of thing, is she? Or the better question to ask, is Odyssial into that sort of thing?
[X] Pick an additional option from any epoch after the one you achieved Greatness 10, for free.
[X] Reincarnation Planning
[X] The Peerless City
I sort of felt like Odyssial's campaigns in the Wyld didn't really accomplish anything, the Celestial host is still falling apart while becoming more corrupt and the newly conquered lands are going to fall back into chaos after the Usurpation kills off all the best protectors of Creation.
[X] Reincarnation Planning
[X] The Peerless City
I sort of felt like Odyssial's campaigns in the Wyld didn't really accomplish anything, the Celestial host is still falling apart while becoming more corrupt and the newly conquered lands are going to fall back into chaos after the Usurpation kills off all the best protectors of Creation.
[X] Thrown
[X] Lore
[X] Double the reward of fanwork XP for the entire game
[X] The Lathe of Heaven
[X] The Fairest
[X] Lore
[X] Double the reward of fanwork XP for the entire game
[X] The Lathe of Heaven
[X] The Fairest
To everyone who wants Ulyssian to be his own person rather then Ulyssian with amnesia shouldn't we focus on the perk that Ulyssian can have to move out of Odyssials shadow rather any further choices in the first age?
Frankly I don't think the current is Odyssial is the type to focus on something as personal as reincarnation planning. Most of our choices in the previous epochs have been directed towards gathering resources and allies. Odyssials already has a focus and legacy, let's not dilute it's themes by choosing reincarnation planning
Frankly I don't think the current is Odyssial is the type to focus on something as personal as reincarnation planning. Most of our choices in the previous epochs have been directed towards gathering resources and allies. Odyssials already has a focus and legacy, let's not dilute it's themes by choosing reincarnation planning
Reincarnation isn't about personal safety, as most of his memories and power will be lost even in the best-case scenario. It's about continuing his work even if he dies. Resources and allies are nice, and he did quite a bit of work to help other people, but it's all meaningless if something kills him in the middle of his preparations and invalidates them.
Either he has all the time in the world, which means those projects can wait while Odyssial constructs his fail-safe, or he's on a time-limit, which makes Reincarnation preparations even more important.
Either he has all the time in the world, which means those projects can wait while Odyssial constructs his fail-safe, or he's on a time-limit, which makes Reincarnation preparations even more important.
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Would a Greatness 10 Odyssial really have spent time on Reincarnation planning though? As Rihaku has said, he vastly preferred the idea of him never dying in the first place, and the reincarnation gambit was only a just in case sort of side project. With the Fairest giving him advanced warning of the Usurpation, what would he do? Spend time on a reincarnation gambit with no certainty of success? Or put forth all of his efforts to just surviving the Usurpation in the first place, which Rihaku has said was a plausible outcome for a Greatness 10 Odyssial, even if things didn't go end up going his way. I rather think that Odyssial would have put forth all of his efforts into the very plausible chance of victory.
It has already been pointed out both by people in the thread and Rihaku that Odyssial planned and prepared for everything. Greatness 10 Odyssial would have gone into great length and would have great many tools so that in the event that he died he himself and his great work would not be lost forever. Not preparing for this eventuality would be more out of character for Greatness 10 Odyssial.
Heartlessness 10 almost guaranteed at this point
Why am I not surprised?
Why am I not surprised?
At least we still haven't achieved Heartlessness 11!
I wonder if there's a way to push Heartlessness beyond 11 so that it winds right around to the opposite.
I wonder if there's a way to push Heartlessness beyond 11 so that it winds right around to the opposite.
[X] The Lathe of Heaven
[X] Reincarnation Planning
[X] Pick an additional option from any epoch after the one you achieved Greatness 10, for free.
[X] Reincarnation Planning
[X] Pick an additional option from any epoch after the one you achieved Greatness 10, for free.
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[X] Reincarnation Planning
My previous vote for this seems to have been eaten by the vote counter.
This option explicitly makes Ulysian stronger to start with. The others are all essentially quest targets; boosts if we find them. Let's go to making his new life as good as he can from the get go.
I am completely on board with Oddysial conquering Death in whatever way he can: even if he has to wait incredibly long till his reincarnation.
My previous vote for this seems to have been eaten by the vote counter.
This option explicitly makes Ulysian stronger to start with. The others are all essentially quest targets; boosts if we find them. Let's go to making his new life as good as he can from the get go.
I am completely on board with Oddysial conquering Death in whatever way he can: even if he has to wait incredibly long till his reincarnation.
I don't want odyssisal to overshadow Uly. Having Uly get his memories is unquestionably going to overshadow Uly own journey, as with 10G, as well as the number of years odyssisal lived, even a small portion of his experiences is going to have a large impact on Uly. We have already chosen so many options that increase the weight of Odyssisal existence, including choosing a free pick instead of increasing Uly growth rate.