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You know, for the record, Adamant Circle Sorcery does not prevent the Wracking alone. Just sayyin.

It takes another Sidereal-related choice in the next age, in order to be able to finally prevent the Wracking. So people arguing against Sorcery because they don't want to stop the Wracking -- well, it's not inevitably stopped if we get Sorcery.

Though, of course, I for one am going to vote for the Sidereal choice too, so.
 
Cavalier said:
And well, blazing his Story into the very fabric of the Wyld is the kind of awe-inspiring, towering achievement we'd expect of the matchless exemplar of the Solar Exalted- there are several Adamant level sorcerers, but only one Ender of Stories.
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We've also chosen to focus a great deal on Pearlescence, so the concept of Odyssial as an end-bringer, whose presence heralds destruction as absolute as it is inevitable, is already established. This builds on that legend and ensures that it'll last longer and propagate further.
Aloysius said:
I'm not clear on things people have said on the Wracking : was it a beneficial or a negative event ?
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There is no real concise answer; we don't even know all the details of what the Wracking was, but in general it's better for Creation and worse for Ulyssian.
Pinf said:
Didn't all the Gold Faction Elder Sidereals die in the Wracking? Those would be the most favorably disposed towards Ulyssian (if he exalts as a Solar this time).
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It also killed or crippled people like Chejob and Anys, who are as about as implacable as foes get. I wouldn't be so sure that the others were friendly, though. The so-called Gold Faction only arose as a discrete entity long after the Usurpation was concluded. Those members of it who did participate in their prophecy ultimately went along with the coup despite their misgivings, for if the Fivescore Fellowship had not acted in unison, they would surely have failed.
 
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Well thanks guys, that was informative. On the other hand it pretty much confirm my suspicions : it's a case of take the lesser evil to avoid the greater one here, and since I'm felling a little optimistic...I guess I would like to believe that Oddy and later, Ully could deal with the threats coming without the Sid and their methods.

On the case of the Sorcery, my disinterest for it stem from my ignorance about Exalted : people have said that it could give us reality warping power, but Rihaku also stated that Oddy was so superlatively powerful and skilled that he could achieve those, and ever better, without it. So, compared to the " End of all Stories" which has a clear resonance for me despite my ignorance of the setting...
 
Orm Embar said:
We've also chosen to focus a great deal on Pearlescence, so the concept of Odyssial as an end-bringer, whose presence heralds destruction as absolute as it is inevitable, is already established. This builds on that legend and ensures that it'll last longer and propagate further.
There is no real concise answer; we don't even know all the details of what the Wracking was, but in general it's better for Creation and worse for Ulyssian.
It also killed or crippled people like Chejob and Anys, who are as about as implacable as foes get. I wouldn't be so sure of that the others were friendly, though. The so-called Gold Faction only arose as a discrete entity long after the Usurpation was concluded. Those members of it who did participate in their prophecy did ultimately go along with the coup, for if the Fivescore Fellowship had not acted in unison, they would surely have failed.
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Sidereal Great Curse of groupthink. Couldn't be helped even if they had misgivings.
 
If you get 100 Sidereals in a room something horrible or hilarious is going to happen.
 
Aloysius said:
Well thanks guys, that was informative. On the other hand it pretty much confirm my suspicions : it's a case of take the lesser evil to avoid the greater one here, and since I'm felling a little optimistic...I guess I would like to believe that Oddy and later, Ully could deal with the threats coming without the Sid and their methods.

On the case of the Sorcery, my disinterest for it stem from my ignorance about Exalted : people have said that it could give us reality warping power, but Rihaku also stated that Oddy was so superlatively powerful and skilled that he could achieve those, and ever better, without it. So, compared to the " End of all Stories" which has a clear resonance for me despite my ignorance of the setting...
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Reality warping without sorcery is basically doing a thing physically, beyond human limits but ultimately based on human skill.

Sorcery goes into two forks, applied spells of destruction and other immediate, transient effects, or sorcerous workings. The former is matched by our capabilities. The latter is out of scope.

Sorcerous workings allow us to directly edit the underlying rules of the world. Charms...even very powerful charms, don't.
 
While talk of the Wracking at this juncture is blatant metagaming, I don't think Odyssial would want his slayers to survive and prosper. From that standpoint, acting to prevent a cataclysm from befalling them is not at all in-character.
 
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Orm Embar said:
While talk of the Wracking at this juncture is blatant metagaming, I don't think Odyssial would want his slayers to survive and prosper. From that standpoint, acting to prevent a cataclysm from befalling them is not at all in-character.
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Unless it was more beneficial for his end-goal? They won't exactly be prospering either way, from what I understand, and Ulyssian's reincarnation scheme means that dying isn't such a big deal to him, merely a setback.
Then after thousands of years, Odyssial comes back as Ulyssian, the world's gone to hell in a handbasket, and people remember how he was an all-around awesome ruler, who would never let this shit stand, and beg him to help put things in order.
Odyssial/Ulyssian: All according to keikaku.
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Odyssial is powerful enough that, if circumstances had gone differently, the Usurpation would have failed. But those circumstances are somewhat unrelated to him himself; certainly in terms of potential power, the canon Odyssial in this quest is very near or at the top.
 
I'm guessing it involved getting the strongest Solars to kill each other with false flag operations before they rolles out the ambush.
 
Might be they just avoided Odyssial as best they could and simply accepted that anyone he got his hands on was dead. After all we don't know that Odyssial got killed during the Usurpation or even that he gets killed at all. Maybe they even waited until he decided to try out his perfect reincarnation plan and then struck then when he couldn't properly defend himself.
 
WorldSlayer said:
Might be they just avoided Odyssial as best they could and simply accepted that anyone he got his hands on was dead. After all we don't know that Odyssial got killed during the Usurpation or even that he gets killed at all. Maybe they even waited until he decided to try out his perfect reincarnation plan and then struck then when he couldn't properly defend himself.
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I am not sure how that makes sense. The perfect reincarnation plan is the last contingency, and likely of vastly lesser priority than preventing his death in the first place for Odyssial. You can see that by the fact that he failed; Ulyssian is not Odyssial. If Odyssial had made it his primary goal to ensure perfect reincarnation i don't think he would have failed. He can do pretty much everything if he puts enough effort into it.
 
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Chronic said:
I am not sure how that makes sense. The perfect reincarnation plan is the last contingency, and likely of vastly lesser priority than preventing his death in the first place for Odyssial. You can see that by the fact that he failed; Ulyssian is not Odyssial. If Odyssial had made it his primary goal to ensure perfect reincarnation i don't think he would have failed.
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Ahh but what if he hits greatness 10 and then realizes his progress has dramatically slowed and his not getting stronger at a decent rate anymore. In order to compensate he decides to refresh his soul* so he'll be able to reach even greater heights of power than before. But alas the dastardly sidereals interrupt his plan and then when Odyssial isn't around to defend the realm they come in and destroy it like the terrible homewreckers they are.

Edit*:Or whatever random technobabble you think is appropriate for 'Odyssial makes himself vulnerable and suffers for it', whether that's trying to graft a new exaltation onto his soul or some other method.

remember what they did in the last quest with Moon).
 
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WorldSlayer said:
Ahh but what if he hits greatness 10 and then realizes his progress has dramatically slowed and his not getting stronger at a decent rate anymore. In order to compensate he decides to refresh his soul so he'll be able to reach even greater heights of power than before. But alas the dastardly sidereals interrupt his plan and then when Odyssial isn't around to defend the realm they come in and destroy it like the terrible homewreckers they are.
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What does "refreshing the soul" even mean? The soul is what he wants to preserve in a perfect reincarnation scenario, so refreshing it would be pointless. Not to mention that Exalted power comes from the Exaltation, not their mortal soul. If his power growth slows messing with his Exaltation is far more likely to push his limits further.
 
Chronic said:
I am not sure how that makes sense. The perfect reincarnation plan is the last contingency, and likely of vastly lesser priority than preventing his death in the first place for Odyssial. You can see that by the fact that he failed; Ulyssian is not Odyssial. If Odyssial had made it his primary goal to ensure perfect reincarnation i don't think he would have failed. He can do pretty much everything if he puts enough effort into it.
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That would be the sorcery pick, covering all possible bases and misadventures to perfect the reincarnation because he himself is proof that the invincible can fall. That all pride has its limits. It happened to Primordials, it might yet happen to him through Exalted action.

That said I don't see any plan which involves suicide working out, even if he had perfect reincarnation.
 
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We're at 135, and there's been a moderate amount of fanwork, mostly from Da Boys, as well as a substantial quantity of discussion, so you're up to 800,800 XP, plus 250,000 virtual XP towards greatness. You will definitely reach Greatness 10 with the Lord Strategos multiplier, hitting well over 1,400,000 effective XP.
 
So, can we find out what the Greatness 10 Title is now? Or when the final Epoch is presented?
 
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