[Exalted, ?] Most High

It does look like Infalliable Messenger and Travel Without Distance are the least controversial options, which is kind of a shame. Demon of the Second Circle is a really good utility spell and one that can provide a capable (if somewhat distorted) guardian / administrator for Luseng (much better as a guardian, of course, unless you like SWLIHN-esque mechanics), and continue to pay dividends month after month as long as you have some way of supervising the demons so conjured. Each 2CD is like an E3 Solar ally!

As for the Sundial Throne, are you guys sure about taking an option that so closely locks you to Luseng? The workshop area is small, so it's not like you can mass-produce stuff within it; at best, you can create small-ish 3CD-level entities one at a time, though there isn't really enough room to fit you, Moon, Nilul, (Pearl), (Lily), and them in there comfortably. That means another Ambition 2 Solar Circle Working to expand the spatial parameters of the space from the inside, which is another 20,000 committed XP and 2 weeks.

It's a multiplier on your personal productivity and that of your friends (so long as you don't mind sharing fairly cramped conditions with them), but it doesn't affect the productivity of Luseng itself much at all, except insofar as you can crank out more Prophecies.

Finally, remember that you can vouch for a 3CD-level creation without buffing Moon or accepting the Knight of Jade; if it's popular, I can write up some alternatives. If you are feeling lucky, you can also try for a 2CD-level creation, which can be completed in one week with the Lily's aid if you are willing to accept lower Finesse and a bit of gambling with the dice, though it would still cost 30,000 XP. Still, very time-efficient compared to the 3+ weeks it'd take to create a 3CD-level entity.

And, of course, there's always the plan to create a Primordial through generating 13 3CD-level entities and then casting various Ambition 3 Solar Circle Workings to change the nature of reality, binding them together, upgrading one into a fetich, allowing them to spawn subsouls, and finally unleashing a Titan of your own design upon the world!
 
It does look like Infalliable Messenger and Travel Without Distance are the least controversial options, which is kind of a shame. Demon of the Second Circle is a really good utility spell and one that can provide a capable (if somewhat distorted) guardian / administrator for Luseng (much better as a guardian, of course, unless you like SWLIHN-esque mechanics), and continue to pay dividends month after month as long as you have some way of supervising the demons so conjured. Each 2CD is like an E3 Solar ally!

As for the Sundial Throne, are you guys sure about taking an option that so closely locks you to Luseng? The workshop area is small, so it's not like you can mass-produce stuff within it; at best, you can create small-ish 3CD-level entities one at a time, though there isn't really enough room to fit you, Moon, Nilul, (Pearl), (Lily), and them in there comfortably. That means another Ambition 2 Solar Circle Working to expand the spatial parameters of the space from the inside, which is another 20,000 committed XP and 2 weeks.

It's a multiplier on your personal productivity and that of your friends (so long as you don't mind sharing fairly cramped conditions with them), but it doesn't affect the productivity of Luseng itself much at all, except insofar as you can crank out more Prophecies.

Finally, remember that you can vouch for a 3CD-level creation without buffing Moon or accepting the Knight of Jade; if it's popular, I can write up some alternatives. If you are feeling lucky, you can also try for a 2CD-level creation, which can be completed in one week with the Lily's aid if you are willing to accept lower Finesse and a bit of gambling with the dice, though it would still cost 30,000 XP. Still, very time-efficient compared to the 3+ weeks it'd take to create a 3CD-level entity.

And, of course, there's always the plan to create a Primordial through generating 13 3CD-level entities and then casting various Ambition 3 Solar Circle Workings to change the nature of reality, binding them together, upgrading one into a fetich, allowing them to spawn subsouls, and finally unleashing a Titan of your own design upon the world!

Thanks for the info. Let me think a while, while I adjust my vote.
 
Making a 2CD administrator does sound pretty good, actually. It wouldn't be as strong as the Knight of Jade, but it shouldn't take as many resources, and it would make it easier to justify leaving to awaken Lea/be a murderhobo.
 
@Rihaku, can we vote for spamming prophecies that increase loyalty of the Legion or Luseng inhabitants in general in this vote? My objective is to still keep Luseng, even if we get revealed as Anathema. If so, I want to go with Sundial Throne. followed by prophecies.

This makes the more blatant sorceries like Knight or summoning 2/3 CDs safer.
 
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I think it's worth noting that having pearl in luseng is helpful if we expect imminent anys attack, especially if we're buffing moons potential growth and not her immediate power level.

The change in behavior is concerning, but It's not like ulyssian is expressive or ill-disciplined. it's not like anyone aside from nilul can tell ulyssian's 'normal scowl' from his 'missing his friend scowl'. High mental strain is more concerning to me, especially when behavior can be modified(and ulyssian is disciplined enough to do so) but we don't know how to bring down mental strain.

None of the other ties offer significant short term benefit like bringing in an ally and strengthening them. Not unless you consider lessened relations to the lily to be a benefit.


Reconsidering the buffing moon sorcery. It might be better to make 3cd entities if we intend to stay in luseng. Even if we stop before creating a primordial, then having someone in luseng lets us range farther out if we want to expand or do missions.

Buffing moon seems to be better if we want to go adventuring or intend to have her involved in heavy combat since it improves her immediate power instead of her skill. The potential raising option is more flexible but i'm not sure if we're going to get two more years unless we get more timeskips.
 
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Pretty damned big? I think someone (CharlBaal?) made a map of the place a while back. Besides, we can only teleport to places we've seen before, so we'd have to go personally scouting any areas of interest the Lily might need to return to, which would take up yet more of our precious time.
We already did. we lead armies all over the place

Involving Ulyssian has its own opportunity costs, like taking him away from Sorcerous research and depriving him of Willpower, when Willpower is a precious and hard to regenerate resource.
its not the opportunity cost, its the opportunity price of having her assist him. The interruption is less costly than not having her boost his stats

How would she possibly know of the emergency? You have no sorcerers besides yourself and no means of rapid communication among her refugees or the Legionnaires.
How would she know of them if she was not in odyssial's throne room? She can only be in one place anyways.
Also, odyssial would obviously use
-[ ] Infallible Messenger - Summons a minor spirit capable of traveling at great speeds to any designated, non-warded target. As a control spell, allows you to use Awareness and Investigation Charms through the spirit, including the effects of Infallible Watchman's Eye and Better Listener.
As a patrolman (send the spirit in a spiral and then return the info)
 
That seems too easy to make a primordial. Why didn't any Twilight sorcerers make one in the First Age? I mean the way it's presented here makes it seems like you could crank one out with a couple of years of work, a trifle for an exalt that lives to 5000.
 
That seems too easy to make a primordial. Why didn't any Twilight sorcerers make one in the First Age? I mean the way it's presented here makes it seems like you could crank one out with a couple of years of work, a trifle for an exalt that lives to 5000.
Maybe they feared odyssial will destroy them for the affront?
 
Hmm.

If we used Lily's help to create a create an 2CD level administrator and made a combat-focused knight of Jade then we would have someone who we could trust to run Luseng in the place of ourself and our friends and have a guardian for Luseng that would be able to beat back several Realm Legions by itself.

That means that when we were ready, we could leave Luseng with our friends and not have to worry about it either going to complete shit while we're gone or getting stomped by the Realm because we've been exposed as Anathema.
 
Okay, considering that I forgot/underestimated severely what "Defining" means in 3E and how long it would take for Moon to get relevantly powerful with the latent power-route, here is a new plan:

[X] The Sundial Throne [Solar Circle, Ambition 3]
[X] Acquire Defining Tie, The Lathe of Heaven
[X] Infallible Messenger
[X] Travel Without Distance
[X] Don't Beg The Lily for help


Just one Working, but quite useful for our Lore-focused Uly. We can get the others later, but after completing it I think we should focus on governing again.

While the High Mental Strain is unlikely be good news, I noticed this line under "Acquisition of Sorcery"
This will also affect how Odyssial actually "learns" the Sorcery.
Which will mean shaping rituals and sorcerous merits based on The Lathe of Heaven. *Drools* I'm willing to take the risk (and then mitigate it with omakes), because that sounds extremely powerful, appropriately dramatic, not to mention thematically powerful and fricking awesome.

Next, The Sundial Throne. Maybe we should just skip The Lily's help on this one, and focus on getting one working done? I would like to continue staying at Luseng with the philosopher-king gig now that we have a way to amplify our prophecy-spam. I'm also planning other Workings in addition what have been offered in addition to the Moon SMA -thing, one of them useful for rapidly deploying from Luseng to distant locations and back. This way, after we have better secured Luseng against the likes of Anys Syn, we can make it the permanent powerbase from which to travel back and forth.

And finally, an ideal place to work on finishing The Lathe.
 
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meianmaru, you convinced me with logic to partially change my vote
[X] The Sundial Throne [Solar Circle, Ambition 3]
[X] Acquire Defining Tie, The Lathe of Heaven
[X] Infallible Messenger
[X] Travel Without Distance
[X] Beg The Lily for help
 
First:
[X] Cast prophecies to ensure we can justify having 2/3 CD's helping us out

Acquisition of Sorcery:
[X] Upgrade Sepulchral Pearl to "Defining"

Control Spells:
[X] Infallible Messenger
[X] Demon of the Second Circle
[X] Call administrative 2CDs to help Moon at her administrative works

Workings
[X] Beg The Lily for help
[X] The Sundial Throne
[X] If there is still time, create a administrative 3CD (less resource and time intensive than Knight)
 
[X] Acquire Defining Tie, "Hatred of the Titans"
Not nearly as mind warping as the Lathe of Heaven, and the internal conflicts it triggers should be interesting. I may change this if needed, though.

[X] Mists of Eventide
I'll be honest, I just like this spell. Infallible Messenger is good too.

[X] Demon of the Second Circle
I can't overstate how useful the immediate power granted by this spell is. I'd frankly almost be tempted to flash-buy it if we don't pick it. We can summon an administrative/reconstructive subsoul of SWLIHN, which should help us create a efficient and upright, if odd, bureaucracy. I'll hopefully have a write-in for this coming in a couple of hours.

[X] Beg The Lily for help
The extra time gained here is not exactly trivial when combined with temporal acceleration. Also, the intimacy upgrade is needed to combat the effects of the defining tie I chose.

[X] The Temporal Blazon [Solar Circle, Ambition 2]
Yes, we'll have to explain it, but that shouldn't be too much of a problem, it's relatively cheap, quick, and the economic benefits are absolutely huge. The Sundial Throne wouldn't be bad either, if it doesn't bankrupt us too much. XP-wise, it only has to save a single flash-purchase to break even. It really does commit us to staying around for at least a month or two, though.

[X] The Knight of Jade [Solar Circle, Ambition 3]
-[X] Focus on Combat
Though I would be fine with another 3cd level creation, or even the administration version, though that goes better with the sundial throne.
 
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As a patrolman (send the spirit in a spiral and then return the info)

You can't use IM that way.

That seems too easy to make a primordial. Why didn't any Twilight sorcerers make one in the First Age? I mean the way it's presented here makes it seems like you could crank one out with a couple of years of work, a trifle for an exalt that lives to 5000.

3E First Age Solars were a lot weaker. Many didn't even hit E5.
 
Hey, Rihaku, how much would creating a 2CD equivalent being cost us in resources? Less of course than the Knight, but how much? None at all, maybe? Because I was thinking that Sundial + 2CD that is focused on information gathering could be a pretty neat combination for us. Our greatest bottleneck for prophecies is the lack of information, and a being that does that for us could be a major help in that regard.

Not only that, but the usual benefits of a spymaster also apply, slightly relevant OOC because Anys Syn. Of course, making a 3CD level being would be more effective especially in the long-term, but I'm concerned about the short-term if we bankrupt Luseng.
 
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[X] Upgrade Sepulchral Pearl to "Defining"

Lathe gives us high mental strain, as it's something from the apex of Odyssial power, when he was E9 or E10. Furthermore, we currently don't know anything about it, so getting an intimacy that encourages us to carry it out seems risky, as it might not be something we want to do.
 
[X] Upgrade Sepulchral Pearl to "Defining"

Lathe gives us high mental strain, as it's something from the apex of Odyssial power, when he was E9 or E10. Furthermore, we currently don't know anything about it, so getting an intimacy that encourages us to carry it out seems risky, as it might not be something we want to do.

We can probably handle it and it doesn't come at the cost of looking REALLY creepy and stalker-y to our friends
 
Lathe gives us high mental strain, as it's something from the apex of Odyssial power, when he was E9 or E10. Furthermore, we currently don't know anything about it, so getting an intimacy that encourages us to carry it out seems risky, as it might not be something we want to do.
Yes, it does carry a high risk. However, like I've said, the benefits in a form of sorcerous merits and shaping rituals based on it could be an enormous boon. And I think the update about Uly reaching past his limits to attain the Adamant Circle's power would be the most interesting one to read.

Also, I don't like the implication to our behavioral changes with Pearl and how they would look on the outside many, many times more on the outside now that Rihaku has spoken more about it.
 
You know how Nara-O knows every secret that only one person knows? Could we make a 3CD like being that can know things in a similar manner but based off of written records of the kind we need for prophesies so we can read records from the other side of creation by proxy.
 
[X] Upgrade Sepulchral Pearl to "Defining"

Lathe gives us high mental strain, as it's something from the apex of Odyssial power, when he was E9 or E10. Furthermore, we currently don't know anything about it, so getting an intimacy that encourages us to carry it out seems risky, as it might not be something we want to do.

That's not quite strictly true, the "Lathe of Heaven" Intimacy incorporates all of Odyssial's resentment and dissastisfaction for this world. So it extends from his early days all the way to the end, similar to his Intimacies for Lea or Pearl.
 
That's not quite strictly true, the "Lathe of Heaven" Intimacy incorporates all of Odyssial's resentment and dissastisfaction for this world. So it extends from his early days all the way to the end, similar to his Intimacies for Lea or Pearl.

Ah! So what does the Mental Strain part mean then?
 
You know how Nara-O knows every secret that only one person knows? Could we make a 3CD like being that can know things in a similar manner but based off of written records of the kind we need for prophesies so we can read records from the other side of creation by proxy.
I like this idea, quite much so! Working on an omake currently, so can't spare much time on it right now. Does someone else want to do a write-in for it?
 
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