[Exalted, ?] Most High
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kinglugia
Hora hora~
...Seem to me I misread the update. Just to clarify: the enunchs and viziers are around the hundreds? And no civilians were harmed?
Of course not! The whole point of this was to protect the civilians from the depredations of a cruel and unfair world; in this case, that meant removing the embezzlers.
[X] Embrace the Clarity
Don't really get the hate, the limit break was pretty tame, we killed some people we were going to kill anyway, and brushed off a friend. Oh well.
Frankly embracing the clarity seems so self evidently the correct choice I'm almost at a loss of how to argue for it. People matter, not just persons, and we can save them, if we have but the will.
Don't really get the hate, the limit break was pretty tame, we killed some people we were going to kill anyway, and brushed off a friend. Oh well.
Frankly embracing the clarity seems so self evidently the correct choice I'm almost at a loss of how to argue for it. People matter, not just persons, and we can save them, if we have but the will.
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I am not confused, I argued my opinion based on those hints.
He claimed that we have explicit word of god that the result would be positive, hence I said he is confusing intention with results. We only have your word that odyssial meant well. But only clues and hints as to whether the result would actually be good or not.
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Incarnae took to the field against him. IIRC this was not a thing during canon revolution against the solars.
EnderofWorlds
Kneel, mongrel
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[X] Embrace the Clarity
Because, above all else, I want Ulyssian-who-is to understand just exactly what Odyssial-that-was was; in all his magnificence and horror. And that despite that awe and terror, that he wasn't wrong. That, ultimately, the actions undertaken by the most high were in fact the greatest and most right actions for Otyssial-that-was to take; that all other actions would've resulted in greater strife and suffering in their wake than the ones taken. Such was the unfailing wisdom and vision of the Lord Strategos, he who could grasp the endless possibilities before him and plot the path to the greatest result from all of them.
And from that, I want Ulyssian to rise to even greater heights as he uses the understanding of what Odyssial-that-was to forge anew a new path to the same objectives, understanding that this reincarnation has the opportunity to turn to new avenues to acquire new possibilities that can result in an even better path to his goal than before. Because now there are new vairables to take into account, new perspectives to consider, and new ways to attain the goal he seeks.
Because, above all else, I want Ulyssian-who-is to understand just exactly what Odyssial-that-was was; in all his magnificence and horror. And that despite that awe and terror, that he wasn't wrong. That, ultimately, the actions undertaken by the most high were in fact the greatest and most right actions for Otyssial-that-was to take; that all other actions would've resulted in greater strife and suffering in their wake than the ones taken. Such was the unfailing wisdom and vision of the Lord Strategos, he who could grasp the endless possibilities before him and plot the path to the greatest result from all of them.
And from that, I want Ulyssian to rise to even greater heights as he uses the understanding of what Odyssial-that-was to forge anew a new path to the same objectives, understanding that this reincarnation has the opportunity to turn to new avenues to acquire new possibilities that can result in an even better path to his goal than before. Because now there are new vairables to take into account, new perspectives to consider, and new ways to attain the goal he seeks.
[X] Embrace the Clarity
[X] Embrace the Clarity
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I'm just hoping Embrace the Clarity doesn't mean we decide that Lily and her systen is completely bad!wrong since its mostly right when it comes people and stuff when you can't objectively calculate utility perfectly (maybe with our new desire to powerlevel we'll start having EPIC sparring/traing/matches together?)
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i think it is, and its a shame, i am really liking the lily so far. wishing we had gone for full friendship with her
and note how she didn't even try to mindrape once
Yeah, the Incarnae turned away in canon. I was asking whether the desire for the Incarnae to preserve the suffering of Creation had more moral weight/justness than Odyssial's desire and capacity to create a perfect world(tm). I understand that certain ethical systems would say they did, but it was more of a rhetorical quetion.
EnderofWorlds
Kneel, mongrel
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What's actually interesting is that in Odyssial's time there were no Infernal or Abyssal exalted, meaning that they're a new factor/resource to take into consideration for his goals. Meaning that he won't outright abandon Lily until he can get a good grasp on what an Abyssal brings to the table, because Odyssial is exactly the sort of person to thoroughly examine and factor in that kind of new variable into his goals.
Alectai
Speaks Words of Wisdom... On occasion
Odyssial wasn't done though? And he was about to destroy the world because he was too strong for it?
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in retrospect though, the incarnae are dicks and his perfect world probably robs them of their ability to abuse their authority, massively so. Enough for them to fight him
LordOfMurder
Bhaal
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- Australia
[X] Resist the Clarity
This is a better choice than throw it away because a good enough success mostly solves the problem of future limit breaks causing the same issue. Also we can more easily afford to lose the XP than the crown of Metis since it's what allows us to be hyper-competent in every area. The throw it away choice also seems to imply that the connection between Odyssial and Ulyssian will be severed.
The main reason I don't want to embrace the clarity is because Ulyssian will completely cease to be distinct from Odyssial if we choose it and while G10 H10 was fine for an epic tragedy in the first age actually playing as that character is another thing altogether. Since we prioritize getting stronger above all else what if our friends get worried about us and try and stop us? If we limit break we could kill them if they're to concerned our more likely we'll just alienate them. Rihaku quests already have a strong emphasis on getting stronger over social interaction. If we take this choice we'll be enshrining that as a central part of our character.
This is a better choice than throw it away because a good enough success mostly solves the problem of future limit breaks causing the same issue. Also we can more easily afford to lose the XP than the crown of Metis since it's what allows us to be hyper-competent in every area. The throw it away choice also seems to imply that the connection between Odyssial and Ulyssian will be severed.
The main reason I don't want to embrace the clarity is because Ulyssian will completely cease to be distinct from Odyssial if we choose it and while G10 H10 was fine for an epic tragedy in the first age actually playing as that character is another thing altogether. Since we prioritize getting stronger above all else what if our friends get worried about us and try and stop us? If we limit break we could kill them if they're to concerned our more likely we'll just alienate them. Rihaku quests already have a strong emphasis on getting stronger over social interaction. If we take this choice we'll be enshrining that as a central part of our character.
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Wise words @LordOfMurder
Its not that his strength was passively damaging the world, it was a deliberate choice that we made after being warned by QM that it will have major consequences no lore.
He was about to destroy and rebuild the world in his image, while retaining the populace, because it would be easier than converting the existing world while its currently active.
Its not that his strength was passively damaging the world, it was a deliberate choice that we made after being warned by QM that it will have major consequences no lore.
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Da Boyz
The Cutest Apocalypse.
To be fair the only thing that she probably has is the Abyssal version of Worshipful Lackey Acquisition when it comes to mindfuckery, everything else seem to be based around blinding charisma and beauty.
Vanathor
Games Questers Play
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- SB Exodite
[X] Embrace the Clarity [+250,000 XP, (permanent) 2x modifier to XP generation] - This is not an external mental influence. What it is, is the removal of all distraction, all mental impurities, all the fleeting and purposeless stimuli that constantly assail the mind. What it is, is the triumph of the will, the extermination of weakness and vice. For a man can only live with one purpose - to do otherwise is to be at war with one's self. Even after Limit Break ends, Uly will understand that the fastest way to grow stronger is to unlock Odyssial's memories, force the Exaltation to perform as it did under Odyssial, and that only strength can save this wretched Creation. He will re-orient his priorities accordingly.
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Uh what? They fought him because they were (magically?) oathbound to defend Creation and he was TEARING IT APART AT THE SEAMS simply due to how much power he was putting out.
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- USA
The incarnae are exceptionally corrupt. This is a major theme of exalted. The majority are not doing their job. Also, the perfect world will likely vastly reduce their power over mortals and mortal's need of them.
They have a huge incentive to fight him
Where does it say that?