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Rihaku said:
If your primary worry is Syn, you shouldn't neglect Counter-Contamination.
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Can't neglect vitality either as our main weakness is that we're not all that tanky and the progressive lack of needing sleep could help us get alot more done and not be surprised if Anys tries to assassinate us while we sleep.

Neglecting evolution means no armor disguised as normal clothing, no pseudo perfect defense, and no boost to our combat power and mobility.

And when you consider we have word of Rihaku that Xao is substantially stronger than Lily in many areas and Anys is stronger then him and that Anys can know use all of the power she has now without worrying about crippling herself like she did against Zao in the last quest.

Oh and thanks to that Compromise vote Lily currently isn't in Luseng and if Anys attack us here then there's no guarantee she can make it in time to back us up.

And then there's this

Rihaku said:
Honestly, once you guys get to E5 and get to a new story to activate Wake the Sleeper on her armor, Ulyssian will basically have no weaknesses in combat. Short of truly overwehelming force and numbers, there'll be no practical way to kill him.
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So unless Anys throws a shitton of enemies at us(which could be possible) she won't have a pratical way to kill us. That sounds good enough to use all that XP to me.
 
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@Rihaku What are the explicit utility benefits of the Vitality tree? Does the lessened need for sleep actually confer bonuses to actions? More prophecies or something?

Also, what is an Ultimate Form? I asked before and I'd like to know before I vote for something other than Total Mastery.
 
Emerald Oracle said:
What are the explicit utility benefits of the Vitality tree? Does the lessened need for sleep actually confer bonuses to actions?
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Yes, it lets you perform more actions 'cause you don't have to sleep, similar to The Power of Exercise.

Emerald Oracle said:
Also, what is an Ultimate Form? I asked before and I'd like to know before I vote for something other than Total Mastery.
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It's not a mechanical artifact, it's just an ultimate form in fluff with extensive mechanical benefits. Kind of like Freiza's 100% Power, or Goku's Super Saiyan. "This isn't even my final form," etc.
 
[x] Master of Sable

One Winged Angel for the Win ladies and gentlemen. What's that Anys? You thought you were the only one with freakish transformative powers? I THINK NOT!
 
Are people SERIOUSY going to give up on Sorcery by spending all our Solar Xp? Just pick Neglect Evolution and we still get regeneration, no need for sleep, immunity to magical diseases/poisons AND basic Mutation/Disguise charms
 
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[X] Neglect Evolution

I really don't want to spend all our Solar XP right now, and this branch seems like the least immediately useful. Vitality provides more actions by bypassing sleep, while counter-contamination prevents all kinds of nasty indirect tricks that Anys may attempt to employ.
 
[X] Neglect Counter-Contamination
I'll be voting for this or Master, as I appreciate Vitality and Evolution way more than Counter-Contamination.

1986ctcel said:
Are people SERIOUSY going to give up on Sorcery by spending all our Solar Xp?
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Nope:
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Rihaku said:
You're presently at 420,000 Normal and 472,000 Solar XP, though the Charms Flash-bought in preparation for the Lily reduce that to 260,000 Normal XP. Since Solar Circle Sorcery requires 240,000 (50 + 50 + 100 + 40) Normal and 70,000 (30 + 40) Solar XP to get, you have enough XP to get SCS.
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Let's see subtract 400,000 and that is 72,000 Solar XP left which is still enough to get Sorcery.

So

[X] Master of Sable

Edit: that was from yesterday's XP count and we've had some stunts since then so we actually would likely have even more XP.
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Dark Lord Bob said:
[X] Neglect Counter-Contamination
I'll be voting for this or Master, as I appreciate Vitality and Evolution way more than Counter-Contamination.


Nope:
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You're going to neglect the tree that specifically immunizes us from indirect assassination methods like environmental effects and INCURABLE diseases/poisons? We already have enough combat power for now and it's only staying power/durability that's our weakness.
 
Rihaku said:
The central question, of course, is whether the Gardener would have known...
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It's hard to say without knowing more about her, but from what we have seen I would give her pretty good odds. This is assuming that she is competent, fairly lucid, and actually interested in improving the world or at least in exploring the nature of good leadership. The failure of the First Age provides an interesting data point. I would argue that an objective superhuman intellect would be able to deduce the existence of the Great Curse, given sufficient data. Autochthon did. Half the problem is that it seems to blind its victims, making it unusual that Odyssial noticed it. Odyssial himself would make for an interesting case study. Did his behavior change noticeably when he "perfected" his curse?

An interesting thing about the Great Curse is that it provides excellent justification for a Deathlord who claims to be doing good. Abyssals may look like corrupted, evil Solars, but they lack the crucial flaw that drove the righteous God-Kings to inevitable madness. The Deathlords may know this, for they helped remove it and replace it with something else. Sure, Resonance is nasty and messy, but it may not have the same inherently corrupting nature as Limit. Its external nature also means that it is something that cannot simply be denied or rationalized away.
 
1986ctcel said:
You're going to neglect the tree that specifically immunizes us from indirect assassination methods like environmental effects and INCURABLE diseases/poisons? We already have enough combat power for now and it's only staying power/durability that's our weakness.
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Uhh we barely beat Lily. Zao was specifically said to be substantially stronger than Lily in many areas. And Anys was said to be stronger then Zao. We're going to want more combat power. Especially when there's a good chance Anys won't be alone when she does so and if she attacks us at Luseng then we might not be able to rely on Lily for back up depending on long it takes for word to reach her.
 
Anasurimbor said:
It's hard to say without knowing more about her, but from what we have seen I would give her pretty good odds. This is assuming that she is competent, fairly lucid, and actually interested in improving the world or at least in exploring the nature of good leadership. The failure of the First Age provides an interesting data point. I would argue that an objective superhuman intellect would be able to deduce the existence of the Great Curse, given sufficient data. Autochthon did. Half the problem is that it seems to blind its victims, making it unusual that Odyssial noticed it. Odyssial himself would make for an interesting case study. Did his behavior change noticeably when he "perfected" his curse?

An interesting thing about the Great Curse is that it provides excellent justification for a Deathlord who claims to be doing good. Abyssals may look like corrupted, evil Solars, but they lack the crucial flaw that drove the righteous God-Kings to inevitable madness. The Deathlords may know this, for they helped remove it and replace it with something else. Sure, Resonance is nasty and messy, but it may not have the same inherently corrupting nature as Limit. Its external nature also means that it is something that cannot simply be denied or rationalized away.
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Resonance isn't a thing in 3e iirc (unless that got changed), Abyssals have nothing keeping them from running off and being hero's and protecting Creation/the living due to the Death lords/Neverborn displaying absolute surety that they will return and fulfill their duty.
 
Also the reason we got WtS is because a new story has started with Nilul and Moon arriving at Luseng. Anys may go after or attack them to get to us. That increased mobility and combat power could be the difference between them staying alive or being killed if we have to look out for them as well.

We're going to want to be at our A-game not just for ourselves but for our allies who came here because Zao thinks its safe enough for them. Do you all really want to risk losing Nilul or Moon because we weren't as strong as we could be?
 
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