And I wholeheartedly agree with you on this score. We shouldn't disregard our previous choices and efforts to build a harmonious civilization in favor of nabbing shiny, powerful combatants that synergize very poorly with what we're trying to create.
Right, because that's going to be easy, and there's no risk whatsoever of the process being reversed at all and us finding up an adherent of her ideology, thus destroying much of what I like about Ulyssian. Such optimism you have.
We need less distractions far more than her strength. Zao is a stronger ally, who we risk losing by Limit Breaking at this absurdly inopportune time, in addition to all the other consequences that I have elaborated on at length in other posts.
This just gets better and better. You want her to fight and brainwash our population? Nevermind that this will do nothing whatsoever to mitigate the fallout of people on the Blessed Isle discovering that we have an Anathema waltzing about under our protection, we'll basically invite anarchy by splitting Luseng along the lines of those for the Lily and those opposed to her. Also, giving an Exalt beholden to the Gardener control of Luseng's people? Nope, no way that could go wrong.
Time is precious, but we chose the option that took the least of it. A couple days at maximum, by my guess? We can still train and prepare.
Lol, didn't you vote for killing the Seeds? It's just an additional incentive to go for something or an abstraction of how the option makes us stronger.
A harmonious civilization in Creation means everything; it's a virtual impossibility, a shining answer that demonstrates the supremacy of our own ideology and provides peace and prosperity for its citizens. You might as well claim Camelot is meaningless because King Arthur died and the civilization fell; an ideal has worth, even if its physical manifestation passes from the world. And this civilization? It's not going anywhere, not as long as Ulyssian is there to protect and uplift its citizens. But to do that, we need time to work in peace and their trust. The Lily denies us both of these things.
King Arthur wouldn't have gotten anywhere without the knights of the round table.
mrttao did hit upon a nice point that Limit Breaking around Moon could wind up severing our alliance with Zao, and the issue with rehashing arguments cuts both ways.
Sorry, omakes require inspiration, and all I've been inspired to churn out lately are arguments against the way things are going. For the record, I'm pretty sure your contributions are worth more than mine, or at least are worth enough that my side is still losing horribly. Really, you're the one winning here, so I don't see how you can claim to be the underdog in this fight. Anyway, you're mischaracterizing a number of my arguments, but at this point I simply don't have the energy to correct you or drag this particular dead horse out for another beating. The points have been made and remade, and for all your grousing about me, you will probably still win in the end anyway.
King Arthur also died because of them.
Actually he died because Mordred killed him. So if we don't have any illegitimate children we're safe!
I guess the moral of the story is to always check if your loyal subjects want to bang your wife?
I don't suppose I could audition for the part of the trusted adviser in this analogy?
Why do you even care? You keep bitching about how Lily won't be accepted by the people, they'll turn against us yadda yadda and WLA means she can win over the populace with kind acts just by winning a competition or an argument and most of the people reside in the city anyway plus I'm sure Uncle Pan would be willing to back us up on how the Anathema thing is bullshit since Lily is yet another person to defend the Citizenry which is one of the things he cares about.
No, I'm arguing that simply voting to have someone around for the sole purpose of being a ball and chain, so that she'll inevitably come into conflict with a Limit Breaking Odyssial, is inefficient and shortsighted, especially when she introduces other complications to along with the collateral from that fight. If I wanted to kill anyone who could conceivably be a threat, I would both have a much longer hit-list and would never actually get around to them all. I did vote to spare Flame, if you recall. Hatred and paranoia can be just as unproductive as a lack of conviction and recklessly given trust.
The Lily would win over the city eventually, yes. I suspect there would be riots and unrest, along with other assorted unpleasantness, but if we gave her free reign to mindrape everyone into compliance, she could totally do it. The issue is what happens when word of that reaches the Imperial City, and the long-term ramifications of having someone who's beholden to the Gardener commanding the loyalty and adoration of all those people, who we ostensibly want to turn into our Sorcerously empowered foot-soldiers. The short-term unrest is just icing on the cake of unpleasantness, or at least it would be if the short term were not so terribly important... We have Anys Syn to deal with, and need time to train and develop before she arrives.
