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[X] Sorcerer of the Adamant Circle
[X] Apex Flight
[X] The Blade of the Battle-Maiden
[X] Petals of the Rose
 
[X] Subduer of the Wyld
[X] Sorcerer of the Adamant Circle
[X] Apex Flight
[X] Petals of the Rose

I fucking called it, too many awesome choices. Think these are the ones I'll pick though. But I'm not sure how much Heartlessness to buy off, I've honestly lost track of the exp to greatness/heartlessness mechanics at this point, if someone can explain it clearly or just provide a good reason for how much Heartlessness they want to buy off then I'll edit my post.

And does having picked four options now mean Ody wouldn't be able to pick any options in the next Epoch or only 1 option? because all the options I've picked are the very much worth it ones as far as I think.
 
Orm Embar said:
According to the last count, we had 641k, so it's probably safe to assume we have in excess of 700k now.

Still, I would absolutely not recommend crippling Ulyssian out of a desire to saddle Odyssial with morality. It's a lose-lose proposition.
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Why do we need the huge mass of XP anyway the cap is at Greatness 10. If we manage to hit 700,000 then with the choices available we would reach 1,050,000 XP (Jesus Christ when did it get so large) so we could buy off 2 points for 500,000 leaving us at 550,000 with the 3 points we've deliberately gained that would leave us at a 1.6 modifier for 880,000 post modifier. All we would need to do is get 75,000 more before modifier to reach Greatness 10.
 
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[X] Apex Flight
[X] Sorcerer of the Adamant Circle
[X] The Blade of the Battle-Maiden
[X] Subduer of the Wyld

In order of preference. Apex Flight is the unending drive for perfection that pushes Odyssial, and it also mitigates Heartlessness/makes the UCS wary of us, so that's a no-brainer. Adamant Circle is a highly relevant ability for Odyssial to have; he can hardly claim to be optimized without even possessing Sorcery. The Blade is another step towards a N/A artifact weapon and includes entertaining Sidereal stuff. Subduer is just... badass. The Raksha fear us, the UCS fears us, the Primordials fear us. Fear for everyone, fuck yeah!
 
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Da Boyz said:
Why do we need the huge mass of XP anyway the cap is at Greatness 10. If we manage to hit 700,000 then with the choices available we would reach 1,050,000 XP (Jesus Christ when did it get so large) so we could buy off 2 points for 500,000 leaving us at 550,000 with the 3 points we've deliberately gained that would leave us at a 1.6 modifier for 880,000 post modifier. All we would need to do is get 75,000 more before modifier to reach Greatness 10.
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Buying off points costs real experience, the stuff that will help Ulyssian. So no, I absolutely do not want to buy off Heartlessness.

Also, is there anything we can do with experience above Greatness 10? I believe it was said that we could get a new title from it, but not that it was the maximum possible level of Greatness or even necessarily the only goal for which experience can be used.
 
Orm Embar said:
Buying off points costs real experience, the stuff that will help Ulyssian. So no, I absolutely do not want to buy off Heartlessness. Also, is there anything we can do with experience above Greatness 10? I believe it was said that we could get a new title from it, but not that it was the maximum possible level of Greatness or the only goal for which experience can be used.
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The scale in the first post says that the limit is 10.
 
[X] Apex Flight
[X] The Blade of the Battle-Maiden
[X] Petals of the Rose

Apex flight is a no-brainer, because that unrelenting drive for perfection is one of the defining characteristics of Odyssial and Ulyssian, and I'd Like to keep it around. Blade gives us MOAR SHINIEZ, which, as we all know, is SV's one true love. And of course less Heartlessness is kind of a necessity if we don't want to turn into the typical First Age Solar and be used as a justification for the Usurpation, because I feel like being used as proof for the necessity of the Usurpation would just be humiliating.
 
Destrark said:
[X] Subduer of the Wyld
[X] Sorcerer of the Adamant Circle
[X] Apex Flight
[X] Petals of the Rose

I fucking called it, too many awesome choices.
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Haha! Stage 2a, successful.

Think these are the ones I'll pick though. But I'm not sure how much Heartlessness to buy off, I've honestly lost track of the exp to greatness/heartlessness mechanics at this point, if someone can explain it clearly or just provide a good reason for how much Heartlessness they want to buy off then I'll edit my post.

And does having picked four options now mean Ody wouldn't be able to pick any options in the next Epoch or only 1 option? because all the options I've picked are the very much worth it ones as far as I think.
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If you pick 4 options including Petals of the Rose, you'll have 9 Heartlessness. You can then pick one additional option in the Pre-Usurpation Epoch with 1 use of Heartless Might, and an additional option on top of that with the Greatness 10 buff.
 
Savonarola said:
[X] Apex Flight
[X] Sorcerer of the Adamant Circle
[X] The Blade of the Battle-Maiden
[X] Subduer of the Wyld

In order of preference. Apex Flight is the unending drive for perfection that pushes Odyssial, and it also mitigates Heartlessness/makes the UCS wary of us, so that's a no-brainer. Adamat Circle is a highly relevant ability for Odyssial to have; he can hardly claim to be optimized without even possessing Sorcery. The Blade is another step towards a N/A artifact weapon and includes entertaining Sidereal stuff. Subduer is just... badass. The Raksha fear us, the UCS fears us, the Primordials fear us. Fear for everyone, fuck yeah!
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You can be optimized without Sorcery, just have a friend that's an Adamant Circle Sorceror dump a shitload of Workings on you in exchange for favors! Sorcery is kinda a massive time and XP sink, and Workings on top of that is even more expensive.
 
Rihaku said:
You can be optimized without Sorcery, just have a friend that's an Adamant Circle Sorceror dump a shitload of Workings on you in exchange for favors! Sorcery is kinda a massive time and XP sink, and Workings on top of that is even more expensive.
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Technically true but it gives Odyssial +100,000 XP and gives us resurrection shenanigans.
 
We're currently at Heartlessness 8.

I am only dead set on Apex and Sorcerer, the others are just nice.
[X] Apex Flight
[X] Sorcerer of the Adamant Circle
[X] Subduer of the Wyld
[X] The Blade of the Battle-Maiden

Apex Flight is a must. It reduces the effects of Heartlessness, which I'm sure all the people who care about that will love, it gives us pull with the entire Celestial Bureaucracy, and 250k (the amount needed to buy down a point of Heartlessness, for those who care about that). Seriously, Apex Flight is my "must have, or I will not support any plan" option.

Sorcery is incredibly useful, in general, and particularly in 3E. Other that the general incredible usefulness of Sorcery, it has some other benefits: its general utility provides benefits to all options. It increases the odds of reincarnation. It leaves caches for Ulyssian. Finally, it further increases Ody's legend among the demons.

The Wyld option makes all fae fear Ody (and thus Uly), and it basically makes him an Ishvara, suborning their legends within his own. It increases and stabilised Creation. Also, the increase in wealth will likely improve any projects Ody undertakes.

With all the above three our legend will be consolidated within Creation, Hell, Heaven, and the Wyld.

BoBM improves our Blade, gives us Artifact 5 armour, deepens our relationship with our Fate Ninja, and gives us an Elder Gold Sidereal in the Second age.

Da Boyz said:
What would the effects of Odyssial cruising around at 10 Heartlessness be for an era? Still I want everyone to note that it's in our best interest to gain as much Heartlessness as is possible to pay off since it defectively adds 20% to our Greatness, which actually reduces the end cost of paying off Heartlessness to around 100,000-150,000 a point.
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Well I, at least, am not particularly interested in Apex for its XP. It is an opportunity to further Ody's perfection, standing above all including the Incarnae, plus it lowers the effects of Heartlessness, which people seem to like.
 
Dark Lord Bob said:
Well I, at least, am not particularly interested in Apex for its XP. It is an opportunity to further Ody's perfection, standing above all including the Incarnae, plus it lowers the effects of Heartlessness, which people seem to like.
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Oh certainly while it's good that it gives XP I'm just trying to get an Odyssial who has managed to stamp himself so thoroughly upon Creation that millennia later revisionist Sidereals are still trying to scrub him out.
 
Da Boyz said:
Or we could have the greatest Solar of the first age not be an endless optimization engine? That seems the sort of thing to make enemies and with the options we've been picking a more human Odyssial might allay some fears.
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I'm sorry, this is just not what I want from Odyssial. Moderation and allaying fears seems all too pointless when the Usurpation is inevitable and Odyssial is too powerful for any lesser consequences to stick.
 
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[X] Apex Flight
[X] The Blade of the Battle-Maiden
[X] Petals of the Rose

Build sweet sword. Stick it in anima. Keep waifu sane.
 
The problem is that if the Usurpation still happens, it's going to be escalated to survive Odyssi...a...

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The "Third Option that prevents the Wracking". My god, the Bronze Faction is going to approach that Odyssial to get his support in the Usurpation if we hit all those prerequisites, aren't they?

That's why they wouldn't get Wracked, because Odyssial's intervention would have ensured they didn't need to take the steps they did in the original Odyssey canon.
 
Orm Embar said:
I'm sorry, this is just not what I want from Odyssial. Moderation and allaying fears seems all to pointless when the Usurpation is inevitable and Odyssial is too powerful for any lesser consequences to pick.
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I ask again why do you want Creation to burn in the fires of a God King's wrath coolly executed attempts at restoring the Deliberative?
Alectai said:
The "Third Option that prevents the Wracking". My god, the Bronze Faction is going to approach that Odyssial to get his support in the Usurpation if we hit all those prerequisites, aren't they?

That's why they wouldn't get Wracked, because Odyssial's intervention would have ensured they didn't need to take the steps they did in the original Odyssey canon.
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It could be that Odyssial just somehow strengthened Creation/Yu-Shan against the Yozi shenanigans that lead to it the first time around.
 
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Da Boyz said:
I ask again why do you want Creation to burn in the fires of a God King's wrath coolly executed attempts at restoring the Deliberative?
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Because it's interesting. Because it's a better narrative than 'and then the greatest Solar of them all, the man feared by the very creators of Creation itself, went quietly into the night.' Because I want to see how far Odyssial can go, what the measure of his capacity his, to test just how far he can beat back the ironclad limits of possibility. Because it's glorious. Pick a reason, any reason.

Why do you want to stifle his glory with morality?
 
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Mmm...

I personally dislike the sorcery choice if I'm being honest. I would rather Ulyssian be his own person than a flawless reincarnation of Odyssial.
 
[X] Subduer of the Wyld
[X] Sorcerer of the Adamant Circle
[X] Apex Flight
[X] Petals of the Rose

We must have Wifu time. :p
 
I really want these, to truly cement his legend. To be the Greatest of them all.
[X] Subduer of the Wyld
[X] Apex Flight

These would be nice, but I'm not sure it would be worth the cost.
[] Petals of the Rose
[] Sorcerer of the Adamant Circle
 
The problem is that people wanted the swordo, and we need to take Blade of the Battle Maiden and Sorcerer of the Adamant Circle if we intend to get that secret Epoch 4 thing, which may or may not be "Odyssial assisted in the Usurpation, or at least enabled it"

Because I don't see how else "Sorcerer of the Adamant Circle" + "Blade of the Battle Maiden" + "One other option" leads to "The Sidereals do not suffer the Wracking in the Second Age, Creation's defenses are much stronger"
 
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