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[Exalted, ?] Most High

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Cavalier said:
The argument for taking Vengeance is largely based on the extremely unlikely scenario that Ulyssian can somehow convince five Immaculate shikari that he isn't really an Anathema
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I Disagree with this. Vengeance is only about killing Seeds and there's a number of different reasons to do it that have been mentioned such as having someone as blatantly obvious as Seeds running around means both a massive hit to Ulyssian's reputation and great difficulty in being able to use his Necromancy for our advantage secretly.

No matter which route we take the Immaculates are almost certainly going to die and we'll either use the excuse that the necromancer did it or that they fell for an Anathema trick and Ulyssian had to kill them. We might be able to salvage the other two dragonblooded if we go Vengeance route but whether they live or die is mostly irrelevant, what actually matters is if we decide to kill them for convenience or whether to at least attempt to give them a chance to live.

I'm not against allying with other Solaroids but I just don't see us getting much use out of Seeds (he's just too blatant to deal with) and he's already proven himself to be a monster despite his good intentions. Besides if we want a nonaggresion pact we're in perfect position to get one, after all once he's dead he'll be in a poor position to fight.
 
Anasurimbor said:
Right, but she could still have an Ebon Dragon inspired charm that makes her seem like a close family member.

Mind, if she has such a charm it probably won't work on Ulyssian anymore thanks to his recent purchase of Phoenix Renewal Tactic x2 combined with unlocking the Ambition evocation What Rouses Glory.
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That only defends against Psyche effects!
 
[X] Vengeance

Not sure if it still matters, but here's my vote I guess. Although I would like Ulyssian to have a better grasp of Seeds' potential usefullness first, if that's not possible then I will have to say that I'm not comfortable sacrificing the chance to ally with Seeds' "collegues".
 
Chanthien said:
[X] Vengeance

Not sure if it still matters, but here's my vote I guess. Although I would like Ulyssian to have a better grasp of Seeds' potential usefullness first, if that's not possible then I will have to say that I'm not comfortable sacrificing the chance to ally with Seeds' "collegues".
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Well, that's one of the reasons the option is worth 150k XP!
 
So, I've been wondering, given that Odyssial was apparently very heavily involved in creating the current mechanisms of death by turning Lethos into the Lethe as it exists today, how did death exactly work anyways back when Lethos was still around and Nio died so tragically?

A large part of the arguments for why Ayala's resemblance to Nio was probably a Charm effect were that Uly would have had to go back into the past to the point where Nio's soul wasn't recycled yet in order to get her reincarnated perfectly, but give that the current reincarnation system is something that came into being only after he mtilated a Primordial he hated into something that served his own ends, is it really that unlikely that he used this opportunity to get Nio back or that he did the whole Lethos -> Lethe thing in the first place only for Nio's sake?
 
Pipeman said:
So, I've been wondering, given that Odyssial was apparently very heavily involved in creating the current mechanisms of death by turning Lethos into the Lethe as it exists today, how did death exactly work anyways back when Lethos was still around and Nio died so tragically?

A large part of the arguments for why Ayala's resemblance to Nio was probably a Charm effect were that Uly would have had to go back into the past to the point where Nio's soul wasn't recycled yet in order to get her reincarnated perfectly, but give that the current reincarnation system is something that came into being only after he mtilated a Primordial he hated into something that served his own ends, is it really that unlikely that he used this opportunity to get Nio back or that he did the whole Lethos -> Lethe thing in the first place only for Nio's sake?
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Hm, Odyssial's effects on Lethe may not have been a matter of serving his interests directly, so much as they were out of pure hatred for Lethos. You guys did, after all, choose Fury over coldness...
 
With the vote count tied, it's more or less down to arguments. Vegeance voters, to what degree does the XP reward factor into your decision?
 
Not very much at all.

All the votes are pretty good, and I would enjoy being allied with Seeds, but just killing everyone is an appealing enough thought to take me off the fence, even though it isn't very wise.
 
[X] Vengeance

Going after Seeds with seven DB and returing alone, while the Anathema still lives? No thanks. Might as well just go rogue outright. Too many choices have been made that ran counter to the supposed intent to build a power-base in the Realm. Right now Ulyssian's biggest advantage is being seen as an unstoppable Chosen hero. Leaving this guy alive will strike a big blow at Ulyssian's image, the Satrapy population's morale, and will be suspicious as fuck too; a giant neon sign telling Syn we stopped being even marginally useful and should be exterminated.

And with the new revelations about the enemy Solaroids the added XP are critical. Would go a long way to up Ulyssian's chance of victory against them another 5-10%.

So I am more for killing the necromancer, regardless of what we do with the rest of the prsent company. The XP is a very nice bonus, but would have voted for Vengeance even without it.
 
Gerrou said:
Going after Seeds with seven DB and returing alone, while the Anathema still lives? No thanks. Might as well just go rogue outright. Too many choices have been made that ran counter to the supposed intent to build a power-base in the Realm. Right now Ulyssian's biggest advantage is being seen as an unstoppable Chosen hero. Leaving this guy alive will strike a big blow at Ulyssian's image, the Satrapy population's morale, and will be suspicious as fuck too; a giant neon sign telling Syn we stopped being even marginally useful and should be exterminated.
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He's a necromancer; constructing a fake corpse and laying low for a while would be simplicity itself, something he would be more than willing to do in return for valuable experimental subjects like the seven Dragon-Blooded. Having to kill the shikari ourselves makes dodging the inevitable tribunal Syn will cobble together even more troublesome, because we won't be able to truthfully say that we didn't do the deed, and having the operatives return with us after having seen our Caste Mark raises the possibility of being outed as Anathema yet again. That revelation would be the biggest possible hit to morale.
 
Rihaku said:
So... You guys would still vote for it in the event that you got less / no XP?
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I smell another compromise option that makes noone happy and deprives us from XP rewards.
I'd honestly greatly prefer to just go with full Vengeance, because with how much XP production has flagged we do really need it and people throwing themselves at the compromise option without deeply considering the downsides because they've argued for so long already and are tired of the decision point has been kind of a theme.
 
Orm Embar said:
He's a necromancer; constructing a fake corpse and laying low for a while would be simplicity itself, something he would be more than willing to do in return for valuable experimental subjects like the seven Dragon-Blooded.
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What constitutes a while? Because unless it is after we've gotten control of the Realm, him reappearing alive and well will fuck up Ulyssian's legitimacy anyway.

That is, of course, assuming that Seeds has a full control over his actions, and that his Abyssal buddies along with the Gardener will be entirely fine with him reneging. Which we don't know. And Ulyssian knows even less, not having access to OOC information on Seeds' character. The first serious opponent in while, and Odyssial just goes with his flow? That's embarrassing.

Orm Embar said:
Having to kill the shikari ourselves makes dodging the inevitable tribunal Syn will cobble together even more troublesome, because we won't be able to truthfully say that we didn't do the deed, and having the operatives return with us after having seen our Caste Mark raises the possibility of being outed as Anathema yet again. That revelation would be the biggest possible hit to morale.
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Hoping that the interrogators will only ask direct question like the bolded is absurdly optimistic. How about "Sesus Ulyssian, did you take part in the murder of the shikari assigned to you?" Also, the biggest difference is how Anys herself will views it. Killing the shikari because they found Ulyssian out is what she expects. She will try to follow up by accusations and investigation, obviously - but that is within the acceptable parameters of using him as an Anathema beatstick, she knew the murder was likely to happen.

When she hears that Ulyssian is scheming with the Realm's enemies instead of killing them, she will move to annihilate him. And I find it very unlikely that we will be able to keep the Parley hidden from her.
 
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