[Exalted, ?] Most High

Bah, more reason to go for Head Off the Fae.

First you don't want to do what Odyssial would, then you ask what Odyssial would do?

I like your style!

Odyssial does, anyway. There is another good point for Head Off: it does play to your strengths far better than Siege Warfare, as far as tactical flexibility goes. Even though it's riskier, the upside potential could be higher, tactically speaking. And you could use Crowned by Metis without arousing suspicion, rather than having to only use it when no one's looking.
 
[X] Head Off the Fae

Let's go kill the Fae. The intelligent will be impressed by our power, we save lives, and fae die. I'd rather not get people killed so the survivors have a better impression of us, when we could have saved those that died.
 
[X] Contemplation
Reading through the choices, the army is arriving in 12 to 24 hours. This plan takes 12 hours, so if we're lucky will still would have time afterwards. However, even if we are preparing to use Prophet, there is still 12 hours which the army can prepare for the arrival of the Fae.

Before we go to use Prophet, maybe we can make a plan and give it to the army to carry out. 12 hours should be enough to at least prepare the ground somewhat, after all.
 
Eh, you can tell Talomar to do as he normally would, but without time to scope the situation out your plan would be pretty meh?
 
[X] Head Off the Fae

Because we wouldn't be the guy Moon fell for if we coldly sacrificed innocent civilians just to get an advantage and Moon herself would probably go for this anyway, plus this keeps our own troops safe as well and what happened to us wanting to show that Mortals can be more than just trash and improve their lives? Plus we can use Crown of Metis and any other really obvious Solar effects with no one around.

To take a page from Uther Insalaum of SRW Z2:

SOL LUCTE OMNIBUS ET CARITA REX VIVITO POPULUS NOS STRUC QUI AN PRATO VIA LUCES SE VIATE DU AD BAROS
(As the sun is unto creation, a king's love is to his people. You, who walk a foolish path, will be saved by this purifying light)

Duke Iron Sislay JUDGEMENT UPON THEE!

But would SV allow Moon to die for their goals?

Silly if Moon died how would we obtain the Moon/Nilul/Uly OT3?
 
[X] Contemplation

Heading off the Fae is just insane.
It puts us at serious personal risk, so that we can gain less of the things we came here for and need to get out of this mess in a good shape to act against Anys Syn.

So the decision should only really be between the siege and the prediction.
While the immediate hit to moral from Contemplation could hurt a lot, it is however noteworthy that Uly isn't that good a commander, meaning the actual effects of preparing everyone for battle wouldn't be that impressive and while the moral loss would hurt for this battle, Uly's personal prowess will remain just as effective and our efforts will profit from the prediction bonuses and potentially massively devastating stratagems, so I hardly think our odds to win the battle would be any lower.

And after the battle things turn around again.
The troops will still get to see Uly being an unbelievable murder machine and Rihaku already pointed out that the long term effects of the mystique this course of action creates for our reputation and the loyalty of our forces can easily surpass the advantages of starting preparations off in a more traditional manner.
One gets them to see Uly being a dedicated and competent (if not particularly amazing or inspiring) commander and see him murder the shit out of lots of Fae. The other lets them see him do some confusing and even worrying stuff that ultimately results in absolutely devastating the Fae in a manner noone could have predicted and they still get him murder the shit out of lots of Fae.
Without social or war charms, we are unlikely to benefit nearly as much from trying to establish ourselves as a more traditional commander of any sort, so going with the stuff so ridiculous our subordinates cannot even follow what we're doing ought to work better, especially since this makes it easier to do things that we don't want them to be able to follow.

And that's not even going into the longer term advantages the prophecy will offer afterwards.
The effects of this prophecy would continue to help us later on, which should do a lot to sooth worries that other factions will be abel to take advantage of our legion being exhausted from the Fae and large scale effects like only a prophecy can produce could very well ultimately do more good than trying to save some of those civillians would, especially since we'll always have to choose between going out and killing stuff, whipping our troops into shape or prophesiting from now on.
This could very easily be a situation where making the prophecy has less of an opportunity cost than every again, because the porphecy will directly help with adressing the current threat. There's no saying when we'll get the next opportunity to do something that can help throughout our Luseng adventure.
 
Because we wouldn't be the guy Moon fell for if we coldly sacrificed innocent civilians just to get an advantage and Moon herself would probably go for this anyway, plus this keeps our own troops safe as well and what happened to us wanting to show that Mortals can be more than just trash and improve their lives? Plus we can use Crown of Metis and any other really obvious Solar effects with no one around.
What Moon admires most about Ulyssian is his implacable determination. Siege Warfare isn't coldly sacrificing lives, it's just common sense. This is what any good commander would do in this situation; going out and fighting the entire enemy force on our own is just insane, even with our recent boosts. Also, Crown of Metis is only really useful in non-combat situations, which facing down an army of Raksha is most assuredly not. If you want to show that mortals are worth something, perhaps you should pick the option that lets our mortal army contribute?

Even the End of Stories, when he came to put an End to the depredations of the Raksha once and for all, brought a million strong army of Dragon-Blooded with him. There's no shame in fighting with others at our side or letting an army do some of the work; we're the Lord Strategos. That's our legacy, we're the invincible general who commands the unwavering loyalty of his Legions (or Legion, in this case). I would support heading them off if we were the Obliterator, but we aren't.
 
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Well we should have enough xp to get Phoenix Renewal Tactic now.

Rihaku, for facing the fae, how useful would Order-Affirming Blow be?

At the least its useful for undoing any harmful wyld effects of theirs.
 
Because we wouldn't be the guy Moon fell for if we coldly sacrificed innocent civilians just to get an advantage and Moon herself would probably go for this anyway, plus this keeps our own troops safe as well and what happened to us wanting to show that Mortals can be more than just trash and improve their lives? Plus we can use Crown of Metis and any other really obvious Solar effects with no one around.
Err, Moon didn't fall for Uly because he's so very compassionate. He's way too much of a dick to be called that.
She might appreaciate his willingness to do heroic stuff, but that's hardly any argument in favour doing incredibly stupid shit for Moon's sake.

It is in fact very certain that Moon would be categorically opposed to a plan that puts Uly in great personal danger so that less of his goals can be realized, even before considering that putting Uly at risk is also gambling with the lives of everyone else in Luseng.

The number of mortals that can be saved by going out there now absolutely pales in comparison against the mortals that are definitely going to die if Uly does and going out there alone means there is a very real risk of that happening.
The number of mortals that could be saved by going out there could also easily be smallee than the number of mortals that get indirectly saved by a prophecy whose effects resound through all the other battles to come.
Hell, it's even possible that the number of mortals saved would be smaller than the number of mortals that the more motivated legion would be able to protect, because for the most part of this campaign the legion is going to be the force cleaning everything up and protecting civillians, while Uly focuses on the tasks that profit from his immensely concentrated power.
 
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Switching from siege warfare to:

[X] Contemplation

It's green, and I like green colours now.

Yeah! Go Green option!

Well we should have enough xp to get Phoenix Renewal Tactic now.

Rihaku, for facing the fae, how useful would Order-Affirming Blow be?

At the least its useful for undoing any harmful wyld effects of theirs.

Order Affirming Blow would be useful, though you don't need it if you can just kill them or just buy Phoenix Renewal Tactic. Of course, without the repurchase PRT costs a ton of Willpower and is not even guaranteed to succeed, but ehh.

It would be much more useful for Siege than for Head Off, that's for sure. With Head Off you only need to protect one guy from the depredations of the Fae - yourself.
What Moon admires most about Ulyssian is his implacable determination. Siege Warfare isn't coldly sacrificing lives, it's just common sense. This is what any good commander would do in this situation; going out and fighting the entire enemy force on our own is just insane, even with our recent boosts. Also, Crown of Metis is only really useful in non-combat situations, which facing down an army of Raksha is most assuredly not. If you want to show that mortals are worth something, perhaps you should pick the option that lets our mortal army contribute?

Even the End of Stories, when he came to put an End to the depredations of the Raksha once and for all, brought a million strong army of Dragon-Blooded with him. There's no shame in fighting with others at our side or letting an army do some of the work; we're the Lord Strategos. That's our legacy, we're the invincible general who commands the unwavering loyalty of his Legions (or Legion, in this case). I would support heading them off if we were the Obliterator, but we aren't.

Crowned by Metis is really useful in combat! Got hit with an epic poison? Boost your resistance rol without sinking huge amounts of motes! Same with avoiding environmental hazards, rolling to Rush or Disengage, etc.

The visual effect is kind of inconvenient, though.

[X] Contemplation

Heading off the Fae is just insane.
It puts us at serious personal risk, so that we can gain less of the things we came here for and need to get out of this mess in a good shape to act against Anys Syn.

So the decision should only really be between the siege and the prediction.
While the immediate hit to moral from Contemplation could hurt a lot, it is however noteworthy that Uly isn't that good a commander, meaning the actual effects of preparing everyone for battle wouldn't be that impressive and while the moral loss would hurt for this battle, Uly's personal prowess will remain just as effective and our efforts will profit from the prediction bonuses and potentially massively devastating stratagems, so I hardly think our odds to win the battle would be any lower.

And after the battle things turn around again.
The troops will still get to see Uly being an unbelievable murder machine and Rihaku already pointed out that the long term effects of the mystique this course of action creates for our reputation and the loyalty of our forces can easily surpass the advantages of starting preparations off in a more traditional manner.
One gets them to see Uly being a dedicated and competent (if not particularly amazing or inspiring) commander and see him murder the shit out of lots of Fae. The other lets them see him do some confusing and even worrying stuff that ultimately results in absolutely devastating the Fae in a manner noone could have predicted and they still get him murder the shit out of lots of Fae.
Without social or war charms, we are unlikely to benefit nearly as much from trying to establish ourselves as a more traditional commander of any sort, so going with the stuff so ridiculous our subordinates cannot even follow what we're doing ought to work better, especially since this makes it easier to do things that we don't want them to be able to follow.

And that's not even going into the longer term advantages the prophecy will offer afterwards.
The effects of this prophecy would continue to help us later on, which should do a lot to sooth worries that other factions will be abel to take advantage of our legion being exhausted from the Fae and large scale effects like only a prophecy can produce could very well ultimately do more good than trying to save some of those civillians would, especially since we'll always have to choose between going out and killing stuff, whipping our troops into shape or prophesiting from now on.
This could very easily be a situation where making the prophecy has less of an opportunity cost than every again, because the porphecy will directly help with adressing the current threat. There's no saying when we'll get the next opportunity to do something that can help throughout our Luseng adventure.

Yes, contemplation gives you a Prophecy, and everyone has seen how valuable those are! How valuable, and how difficult to acquire, given the twin bottlenecks of suitable sources and Ulyssian's time!
 
Order Affirming Blow would be useful, though you don't need it if you can just kill them or just buy Phoenix Renewal Tactic. Of course, without the repurchase PRT costs a ton of Willpower and is not even guaranteed to succeed, but ehh.

Keeping in mind that aside from Ulyssian, OAB simply transforms the fae into an appropriate form depending on the fae's intimacy to you.


Since Ulyssian is the End of Stories though....
 
Well, if we are going to be spending XP, then we might want to buy 2 evocations for the armour, since that lets us fly, which would be extremely useful if we decide to head off the Fae.
 
While the immediate hit to moral from Contemplation could hurt a lot, it is however noteworthy that Uly isn't that good a commander
I'd be fine with Contemplation, but Ulyssian has War at 5, favored, with a specialty in inventive strategies. Even with just the Excellency to work with, he is that good a commander; PoSC may give us long-term benefits, but it binds us to specific courses of action and isn't as immediately useful as shoring up the fortifications and asserting our authority in the here and now. We're not very inspiring, it's true, but grim competence coupled with the fact that we're actually acting like they have a chance will go a long way in this sort of situation.

Also, we don't know when exactly the Rakha army will get here. Might be a chance we don't finish up in time.
 
[X] Siege Warfare

We need to use our mook for most effective,if they die but can minimize our injury so be it,Ully is 150% of our fighting ability.
 
Keeping in mind that aside from Ulyssian, OAB simply transforms the fae into an appropriate form depending on the fae's intimacy to you.


Since Ulyssian is the End of Stories though....

I think people were suggesting it in the context of reversing changes made by the Fae to your allies, though the offensive effects certainly could be relevant. Ulyssian is pretty killy though.

Well, if we are going to be spending XP, then we might want to buy 2 evocations for the armour, since that lets us fly, which would be extremely useful if we decide to head off the Fae.

You can only afford to flash buy one, I think, and Northern Wind Offensive isn't nearly as useful now that you have access to Smashing through War-Binding of Eternity...

[X] Contemplation

Dat green.

Green option GO!

I'd be fine with Contemplation, but Ulyssian has War at 5, favored, with a specialty in inventive strategies. Even with just the Excellency to work with, he is that good a commander; PoSC may give us long-term benefits, but it binds us to specific courses of action and isn't as immediately useful as shoring up the fortifications and asserting our authority in the here and now. We're not very inspiring, it's true, but grim competence coupled with the fact that we're actually acting like they have a chance will go a long way in this sort of situation.

Also, we don't know when exactly the Rakha army will get here. Might be a chance we don't finish up in time.

Indeed, Ulyssian does have Int 5 War 5 with the War Excellency; his strategies are quite potent!
 
[X] Contemplation

Heading off the Fae is just insane.
It puts us at serious personal risk, so that we can gain less of the things we came here for and need to get out of this mess in a good shape to act against Anys Syn.

So the decision should only really be between the siege and the prediction.
While the immediate hit to moral from Contemplation could hurt a lot, it is however noteworthy that Uly isn't that good a commander, meaning the actual effects of preparing everyone for battle wouldn't be that impressive and while the moral loss would hurt for this battle, Uly's personal prowess will remain just as effective and our efforts will profit from the prediction bonuses and potentially massively devastating stratagems, so I hardly think our odds to win the battle would be any lower.

And after the battle things turn around again.
The troops will still get to see Uly being an unbelievable murder machine and Rihaku already pointed out that the long term effects of the mystique this course of action creates for our reputation and the loyalty of our forces can easily surpass the advantages of starting preparations off in a more traditional manner.
One gets them to see Uly being a dedicated and competent (if not particularly amazing or inspiring) commander and see him murder the shit out of lots of Fae. The other lets them see him do some confusing and even worrying stuff that ultimately results in absolutely devastating the Fae in a manner noone could have predicted and they still get him murder the shit out of lots of Fae.
Without social or war charms, we are unlikely to benefit nearly as much from trying to establish ourselves as a more traditional commander of any sort, so going with the stuff so ridiculous our subordinates cannot even follow what we're doing ought to work better, especially since this makes it easier to do things that we don't want them to be able to follow.

And that's not even going into the longer term advantages the prophecy will offer afterwards.
The effects of this prophecy would continue to help us later on, which should do a lot to sooth worries that other factions will be abel to take advantage of our legion being exhausted from the Fae and large scale effects like only a prophecy can produce could very well ultimately do more good than trying to save some of those civillians would, especially since we'll always have to choose between going out and killing stuff, whipping our troops into shape or prophesiting from now on.
This could very easily be a situation where making the prophecy has less of an opportunity cost than every again, because the porphecy will directly help with adressing the current threat. There's no saying when we'll get the next opportunity to do something that can help throughout our Luseng adventure.
This would be a fun narrative, as long as our shikari don't murder us before the prophecy goes through.

[X] Contemplation

This may also lead in nicely to a write-in involving the city spirits ("Spirits of record and bureaucracy, lend me your filing forms!").
 
This would be a fun narrative, as long as our shikari don't murder us before the prophecy goes through.

[X] Contemplation

This may also lead in nicely to a write-in involving the city spirits ("Spirits of record and bureaucracy, lend me your filing forms!").

The shikari can't murder you, they are literally too weak to do that by themselves. Unless, you're like, unconscious beyond possibility of awakening, or mote-tapped, or something.

So rest assured! You can contemplate away in safety.
 
Still trying to decide how I want to vote. Is there anything stopping us from using Crowned by Metis for a social roll to convince the Raksha to change the story in our favor?
*IE one on one duels
 
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