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Wow, such ruthlessness! I'm surprised people are leading with the "thousands of lives don't matter" angle rather than the increased effectiveness of Siege Warfare justifying it.

If you guys are interested in Siege Warfare, Contemplation is potentially even more effective. You do get a reputation of being eccentric and weird... but Eldrad Uthran is eccentric and weird, and in the end that only inspires greater loyalty from his people because he works in mysterious ways! If you can pull it off, it's an option that helps the common people and can sort of improve your long-term PR at the cost of tanking your first impression PR.
 
Orm Embar said:
I suppose it depends on whether we care more about impressing the Fae or improving the morale of the Ghost-Water Legion. If the Raksha hordes are broken in open battle, who cares what they do or do not believe?
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They gossip like you wouldn't believe!

Cavalier said:
That is a compelling point, but for now we need the loyalty and hopes of our soldiers more than we need the fear of the Fae. For now.
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Well... if you play this right, you don't really need soldiers, except to hold ground. You're probably more powerful than all of them combined, though not so powerful as to render them irrelevant. However, you are much more mobile, cost far less to upkeep, and are far more stealthy than a Legion.
Gaudy Guise said:
[X] Siege Warfare

Urban warfare is already one of the most brutal forms of conflict imaginable, and that's before we add zombies and fae to the equation, to say nothing of how this is one of those situations where fighting to the death is the expected fate of the defeated. It's going to be horrifying, grinding, and relentless.

So, of course, I must vote for it.
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Mm, it's actually much more likely to be a set-piece battle outside the city grounds. If the Behemoths are allowed inside the city, there won't be brutal alley fighting because there won't be alleys.
 
Rihaku said:
Mm, it's actually much more likely to be a set-piece battle outside the city grounds. If the Behemoths are allowed inside the city, there won't be brutal alley fighting because there won't be alleys.
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I keep forgetting about the giant monsters because of all our other enemies.

This says many things about our situation, none of them good.
 
Rihaku said:
Wow, such ruthlessness! I'm surprised people are leading with the "thousands of lives don't matter" angle rather than the increased effectiveness of Siege Warfare justifying it.

If you guys are interested in Siege Warfare, Contemplation is potentially even more effective. You do get a reputation of being eccentric and weird... but Eldrad Uthran is eccentric and weird, and in the end that only inspires greater loyalty from his people because he works in mysterious ways! If you can pull it off, it's an option that helps the common people and can sort of improve your long-term PR at the cost of tanking your first impression PR.
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We are hearless 11 as player.

More seriously this stituation will reverse if one of those 10000 is Moon.I think Zao take moon away form us is blessing in disguise for Ully.
 
Gaudy Guise said:
I keep forgetting about the giant monsters because of all our other enemies.

This says many things about our situation, none of them good.
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Meh, they're just transcendental Kaijus / failed self-contained experimental other worlds. Not the strangest thing Exalts have had to deal with by far. Most of 'em don't even have Excellencies, so they're only good at killing mortals and beating Exalts by outlasting them. Eace Behemoth is unique, though, and for an exception to prove a rule, there must first be an exception...

skaro said:
We are hearless 11 as player.

More seriously this stituation will reverse if one of those 10000 is Moon.I think Zao take moon away form us is blessing in disguise for Ully.
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I really don't think you guys are. Generally the voter base almost never betrays anyone that even a substantial minority cares about.
 
Is there any evocation/technique catered solely to bringing down large target? I'd imagine their giant size just make them easier target for sufficient force, something that Odyssial likely have plenty to spare
 
skaro said:
We are hearless 11 as player.
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We're actually fairly soft-hearted, where people are concerned. Statistics don't elicit sympathy, though.
arsdraconis said:
Is there any evocation/technique catered solely to bringing down large target? I'd imagine their giant size just make them easier target for sufficient force, something that Odyssial likely have plenty to spare
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Most of the difficulty in killing behemoths is in cutting through soak/dealing tremendous amounts of damage. We can do both reasonably effectively.
 
arsdraconis said:
Is there any evocation/technique catered solely to bringing down large target? I'd imagine their giant size just make them easier target for sufficient force, something that Odyssial likely have plenty to spare
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Getting a bunch of Initiative and just throwing it at them usually works, as long as you have some means to deliver a large amount of magical damage (Annihilating Stroke, etc). The behemoths aren't really that problematic from a personal combat standpoint, except for their huge amount of Health Levels. Even Ulyssian might not be able to oneshot them with a decisive, which is bad because he relies on oneshotting people.
 
[X] Siege Warfare

A vote for Siege Warfare is a vote for Stalingrad!

Anyway, it's the most effective option that doesn't rely on tanking morale by being a NEET. I bet the Sid would approve of Contemplation! He should be called Inward Thistle...
 
Orm Embar said:
I suppose it depends on whether we care more about impressing the Fae or improving the morale of the Ghost-Water Legion. If the Raksha hordes are broken in open battle, who cares what they do or do not believe? Name recognition is mostly relevant for future battles; the surest sign of being Odyssial is being victorious.
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I prefer to think of the choice as 'improving the morale of the Ghost-Water Legion versus keeping the greatest number of them (and civilians) alive.'
 
Rihaku said:
Meh, they're just transcendental Kaijus / failed self-contained experimental other worlds. Not the strangest thing Exalts have had to deal with by far. Most of 'em don't even have Excellencies, so they're only good at killing mortals and beating Exalts by outlasting them. Eace Behemoth is unique, though, and for an exception to prove a rule, there must first be an exception...



I really don't think you guys are. Generally the voter base almost never betrays anyone that even a substantial minority cares about.
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Orm Embar said:
We're actually fairly soft-hearted, where people are concerned. Statistics don't elicit sympathy, though.

Most of the difficulty in killing behemoths is in cutting through soak/dealing tremendous amounts of damage. We can do both reasonably effectively.
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As Order of the Stick used to said.

Hooray everyone who I know the name survive.:lol

Nameless background characther hardly count as people for player.
 
Savonarola said:
[X] Siege Warfare

A vote for Siege Warfare is a vote for Stalingrad!

Anyway, it's the most effective option that doesn't rely on tanking morale by being a NEET. I bet the Sid would approve of Contemplation! He should be called Inward Thistle...
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Don't you want to have good relations with your aide-de-camp?

Guile said:
I prefer to think of the choice as 'improving the morale of the Ghost-Water Legion versus keeping the greatest number of them (and civilians) alive.'
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Indeed!

skaro said:
As Order of the Stick used to said.

Hooray everyone who I know the name survive.:lol

Nameless background characther hardly count as people for player.
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That poor old guy in Sword Quest...
 
If we do Siege Warfare, as seems likely at this point, can we stunt to keep the Battle before the walls? I want to try and set this up so that it's some kinda Illiad Badassness here. I realize these are not the topless walls of fair Ilium, but keeping the battle outside and making it look fantastic while we do it should be possible dang it!

Also, just a notice, we DO have the Crowned By Metis thing if we end up ending the Fae Threat. We can Crown By Metis our retelling and make it clear we worked a great wonder.
 
Rihaku said:
Don't you want to have good relations with your aide-de-camp?
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Depends. Is he a Sidereal MA who's just waiting for an opportunity to make with the duck-punching?
Rihaku said:
That poor old guy in Sword Quest...
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We still don't know for sure whether or not that was Chejop Kejak out to test us. (Why is his name spelled with a B here, anyway?) Or maybe we do, 'cause of the Wracking...

Speaking of the Wracking, that's been bugging me something fierce. What in the fuck could have done that? Generally speaking, you can kill Exalts, you can imprison them, you can misdirect or seduce them... but cripple them? Permanent and irrevocable diminishment with no opportunity to beat the rap and recover? That just doesn't happen. I mean, Anys' condition seems incurable, which just makes me really wary. The Incarnae don't have that kind of power.
 
Emerald Oracle said:
If we do Siege Warfare, as seems likely at this point, can we stunt to keep the Battle before the walls? I want to try and set this up so that it's some kinda Illiad Badassness here. I realize these are not the topless walls of fair Ilium, but keeping the battle outside and making it look fantastic while we do it should be possible dang it!
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I think that was the plan?
Rihakupost: 3265763 said:
Mm, it's actually much more likely to be a set-piece battle outside the city grounds. If the Behemoths are allowed inside the city, there won't be brutal alley fighting because there won't be alleys.
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[X] Contemplation

Sure it'll hit morale in the short run and make Ulyssian look kooky, but this is likely to be more effective than Siege Warfare, with comparatively fewer casualties. It also avoids the needless risks of a direct confrontation. Finally, it leaves us with lasting bonus effects, even after this battle.

As an additional plus, a heavy reliance on unconventional tactics may cause the Deathlord's and Lunar's agents to underestimate Ulyssian's personal prowess. This may be useful in a variety of ways.
 
Is there any way for us to use Crown of Metis to try and keep morale up while we use Prophet? Also, we should probably flash buy phoenix renewal. We had 70k normal XP at the last count, so we should have enough to flash buy it now.
 
[X] Siege Warfare
Changing to this. Pragmatism is better. We don't need them to believe we are the end of stories. We just need to get strong enough that they cannot dispute it.
 
Well, we have arrived at the clusterfuck that is Luseng. Nothing very surprising about the moral and military situation, considering the enemies gathering here. However, the general competence off the city administration and the still on going trade are nice benefits that I wasn't expecting us to have. On what to vote:

[X] Siege Warfare

If the moral was higher, I might have gone for the Contemplation. But if we pick it now, we might risk outright immediate rioting from the civilians and mutiny from the military. Even the power of our predictions is not much of use if our troops won't listen to us, which would make it more or less impossible to implement the necessary moves to trigger the right conditions for us to benefit from them in the first place.

As for Head Off, well, the cold fact is that we need that moral boost to more effectively save lives in the future. Also, we aren't guaranteed to survive against that many powerful foes, especially by fighting them alone, so lets not make Anys' job any easier for her, all right?
 
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[X] Siege Warfare

We really need the moral boost right now and if our people see what we can do in this battle they'll be more likely to believe us if we wander off into the wilderness and murder everyone next time.
 
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