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Yes we DID we just decided not to kill her and we're stronger than her so what we say goes (besides we PROVED we're not a newborn anathema simply because we COULD beat them) and we can also humiliate her and the Immaculate Order by giving a big speech about how "see they were obviously WRONG about me" and lacing it with quotes of the Immaculate scripture and Sesus code phrases showing we could ALL have avoided this if they hadn't been so bloodthirsty and done an alternate test.

Well, the fact of the matter is we don't get to decide after the fact that "If I kill you all it proves my innocence" Actually means "If I beat you and decide not to kill you it proves my innocence" Remember they set the terms to the death, we're just following through like a good Dragonblooded should in their efforts to prove they aren't Satan. Seriously think about the magnitude of the accusation. One doesn't go through half measures when clearing ones name.

Also that speech you propose... Publicly humiliating the Immaculate Order...
 
Why would she go and save creation in other areas when she can save creation by killing the Vile Anathema that killed her sworn brotherhood?

So much this.

I think people fail to understand just how bullshit out survival was.

These guys were a perfect Brotherhood of Immaculate Shikari. A force strong enough to beat an ENTIRE SOLAR CIRCLE.

We haven't even been exalted a week and we just slaughtered a force that can take on five solars. By OURSELVES.

She no doubt views as the most dangerous Anathema she's ever seen especially since we're at the academy and have Zao's favor. Like hell she'd accept going to save creation somewhere else when an Anathema
so powerful and influential is right here in the Realm. Trying corrupt the next generation of prominent dragonblooded.

 
Hmm, considering I voted for the Heist I'm thinking Fortune Stealing Palms would be a good idea, though the issue there is that really depends on how exactly the scheme is supposed to operate. It depends on what wins I suppose if we go on the field trip Ambition seems like the obvious choice.
 
Funny thing, revenge isn't so much rational as emotional. Even if if was their fault, we're still the 'Monster anathem that slew her comrades.'


Can.

yes such as NOT screwing up our friendship with Saery by making her think we're a monster (also meaning we can get continued access to skin-like-the-mountains oil and a way to help the plight of mortals in the Realm)

Well, the fact of the matter is we don't get to decide after the fact that "If I kill you all it proves my innocence" Actually means "If I beat you and decide not to kill you it proves my innocence" Remember they set the terms to the death, we're just following through like a good Dragonblooded should in their efforts to prove they aren't Satan. Seriously think about the magnitude of the accusation. One doesn't go through half measures when clearing ones name.

Also that speech you propose... Publicly humiliating the Immaculate Order...

Yes humiliate them and we can then start working on breaking their power and influence on the Realm (and then open the way to eventually be able to openly be a Solar without people thinking we're a soul-devouring body-snatching demon).

So much this.

I think people fail to understand just how bullshit out survival was.

These guys were a perfect Brotherhood of Immaculate Shikari. A force strong enough to beat an ENTIRE SOLAR CIRCLE.

We haven't even been exalted a week and we just slaughtered a force that can take on five solars. By OURSELVES.

She no doubt views as the most dangerous Anathema she's ever seen especially since we're at the academy and have Zao's favor. Like hell she'd accept going to save creation somewhere else when an Anathema
so powerful and influential is right here in the Realm. Trying corrupt the next generation of prominent dragonblooded.

What do you mean OBVIOUSLY we've just proven that we're a DB who has been Exalted for years like Zao told everyone and like I said we can quote Immaculate scripture and Sesus code-phrases afterwards which were alternate tests Rihaku mentioned that we could have proposed to PROVE that we couldn't be a body-snatching Anathema since we wouldn't be able to know stuff like that if we had just Exalted in the arena.
 
That is true we don't the full benefits of months of less Immaculate scrunity if we leave her alive and she keeps trying to work against us. A major reason we went with this option instead others was so we could get less scrunity.

As for the whole "defenders of Creation" argument it falls flat on two things.

1) those same defenders want to protect Crestion against us so if we ever reveal ourselves we'll have to kill those very defenders to protect ourselves like we just did.

2) If we really cared about the difference a Shikari could make then we wouldn't have slaughtered 4 others beforehand.

To be fair, it was their own fault for not having a semiperfect defense. Or something.

That was certainly the first benefit that came to my mind. A tiger that can sheathe its claws is somewhat less terrifying.

Indeed. But an Anathema would want to seem less terrifying, right? They have the power to make all evidence fit their claims!
It does give off "heat", it just doesn't actually burn anything. She may or may not have noticed this. Flame theoretically could have too, though I doubt it.

A detailed analysis of the battlefield could also reveal this, at least until it is thoroughly cleaned.

Give Zao five minutes and he can forge that, even if everyone's looking at the arena.

We passed no test if we leave her alive, why do people keep ignoring this?

Hmm.

Recall that Ulyssian does not actually know Syn's name at this point, only that the Bronze Faction as a whole isn't likely to take his subversion of Ivory well. The Immaculates were supposed to be an invincible death squad

Indeed they were! It was kind of hilarious how they failed utterly.

For the experts on Exalted lore, a question. Does the general populace know about the Deathlords' involvement with the Contagion?

No, Saery is well-educated. The Deathlords were attacking alongside (sort of) the fae during the Contagion, though.

Awesome update is awesome.

Hard votes is hard.

To kill or not to kill, that is the question : on one hand, I highly doubt someone who just lived through such a slaughter would feel anything but a desire of revenge toward whoever was its cause, even if she was in the end, one of the instigator of the whole thing. I don't expect any kind of reasonable attitude from this front. And that's without taking into account Anys Syn. With her behind the curtain, this woman is more a liability than an asset for Creation, at least the one we want to save.

On the other hand, we've yet to put a dent in the actual enemies of Creation while we've just killed a certain number of its currents defenders, however horrible they are. The connection with Saery is probably not trivial either. It hints at least at the fact, despite her participation in this barely veiled execution attempt, she could be a-I'm surprised to say that-somewhat reasonable Immaculate. Beside despite what I've said, a veteran such as her, could actually be able to go past what's just happened.

[x] Studying For the Naval Exam - We're committed to Zao's plan, this is one of its step.

[x] Field Trip
- Because I actually don't see how cheating a great House of their money is in any way useful for our actual aims here : saving creation. We can pay our debt to Nihul when she will inevitably need some pissed of people killed.

Edit: that bears repeating, this update was awesome. Can you be more awesome Rihaku ? Never mind I know you can ^^

Syryns is pretty reasonable, and kind, and disciplined, and competent - if you're not Anathema scum!

Hm, I guess I could give a fanwork bonus for today and tommorow, since it is the weekend. I'll think about it.

Yes we DID we just decided not to kill her and we're stronger than her so what we say goes (besides we PROVED we're not a newborn anathema simply because we COULD beat them) and we can also humiliate her and the Immaculate Order by giving a big speech about how "see they were obviously WRONG about me" and lacing it with quotes of the Immaculate scripture and Sesus code phrases showing we could ALL have avoided this if they hadn't been so bloodthirsty and done an alternate test.

That would be pretty funny. You'd need a stunt, though, for the speech itself. Also Ulyssian is kind of bad at giving speeches, unless they're intimidating speeches!
 
What do you mean OBVIOUSLY we've just proven that we're a DB who has been Exalted for years like Zao told everyone and like I said we can quote Immaculate scripture and Sesus code-phrases afterwards which were alternate tests Rihaku mentioned that we could have proposed to PROVE that we couldn't be a body-snatching Anathema since we wouldn't be able to know stuff like that if we had just Exalted in the arena.
You're right, which leads to the obvious conclusion - we are an Anathema who Exalted much earlier.
 
Ugh, I Know that Rihaku is just doing this to drive us down the Great Curse path (Given how he continues to Devil's Advocate for the winning option), but the problem is that killing her Is a very good solution, it'll just cause other problems, because at this point, it'll straight up be an execution.

But on the other hand, Rihaku's confirmation that they will Happily lie, cheat, and throw honor to the wayside on the smallest suspicion of being an Anathema, while still being treated as righteous paragons of perfect honor by society at large is true, fucking social engineering. Which means that she'll happily continue causing us trouble, which would defeat the purpose of taking this deal in the first place. That, and Orm makes a good point that "If you kill someone's closest friends, you'd best pack them in the grave yourself and make an enemy for life".

Fucking conundrums. I also Strongly dislike how Easy it seems to be to stick the Anathema label on someone on flimsy evidence and cause this kind of shitstorm.

... Actually, come to think of it, how often Does that happen? Is it the kind of thing that happens regularly, where the Immaculate Order gets "Tipped Off" that someone is an Anathema, and they dispatch a death squad to kill them?

If that were true though, they wouldn't be nearly as powerful, because they'd be pretty transparently an assassin's guild with a handwavey legitimate excuse.

Yet here, they dispatch five Exalted Masters based on flimsy hearsay from one guy who has every reason to hate, and they didn't even bother doing a careful investigation first. That should be an opening a mile wide. That she's apparently absolutely convinced sort of suggests she's an insider with the Bronze Faction Conspiracy. In which case, there isn't a prayer of flipping her, because she's in that rare few people who Knows the truth of the world, and happily serves the current status quo.

Or mind whammies, because we know Anys Syn isn't above brainwashing, except that's the kind of thing that's hard to proved.

So, she's either an educated True Believer, or she's brainwashed. Since she doesn't seem to question the haste of this or the flimsy evidence at all, and the Immaculate Order could not function publically if they were easy to set on someone for any shenanagans.
 
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Rihaku is it possible to buy two titles? One with Solar XP and the other with normal XP?

Only if you get Intensive Training. XP takes time to spend, no matter its source, unless you flash-buy.

So much this.

I think people fail to understand just how bullshit out survival was.

These guys were a perfect Brotherhood of Immaculate Shikari. A force strong enough to beat an ENTIRE SOLAR CIRCLE.

We haven't even been exalted a week and we just slaughtered a force that can take on five solars. By OURSELVES.

Without even taking damage. Not a scratch. But not just unscathed. Completely untouched.

Uly can beat their estimated threat level is rising, rapidly, because Ulyssian just blew out the max indicators of a test it should have been impossible for him to even pass.
 
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[X] Execute Her
I understand the logic behind wanting to spare her and make her recant, but I'm reasonably certain she'll refuse to recant and chose to die instead, all the while insisting we're an Anathema. Or lie, and then recant her recantation. She's an experienced Anathema hunter after all, and Ulyssian just crushed her and her brotherhood in a way only a powerful Solar could. She'd understand that. And on top of that she's already convinced we're Anathema and now has a very personal reason to hate us.

I mean, who are we kidding here? A genuine Dragonblooded in Ulyssian's place wouldn't have stood a chance, no matter how much training from Zao he might have had.

Silence her, now. She'll make loads of trouble for us otherwise.


[X] Intense Training
Gain strength now to go on excursions and gain XP (to gain more strength) later. There'll still be time for that later, and for now new abilities benefit us more.

[X] Growing Ambition
[X] Better Listener
 
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But on the other hand, Rihaku's confirmation that they will Happily lie, cheat, and throw honor to the wayside on the smallest suspicion of being an Anathema, while still being treated as righteous paragons of perfect honor by society at large is true, fucking social engineering. Which means that she'll happily continue causing us trouble, which would defeat the purpose of taking this deal in the first place. That, and Orm makes a good point that "If you kill someone's closest friends, you'd best pack them in the grave yourself and make an enemy for life".

Yup! Immaculates can pretty much do anything to get at Anathema, the Bronze Faction worked hard to ensure that. As long as the target turns out to actually have been Anathema, of course...

I wouldn't say it completely defeats the purpose of this engagement. You've certainly bought time, though at what cost we shall see... At the very least, they will take considerably longer to mobilize a force capable of taking you down, and by then you'll be even stronger. It's a virtuous cycle! Sort of.

I understand the logic behind wanting to spare her and make her recant, but I'm reasonably certain she'll refuse to recant and chose to die instead, all the while insisting we're an Anathema. Or lie, and then recant her recantation. She's an experienced Anathema hunter after all, and Ulyssian just crushed her and her brotherhood in a way only a powerful Solar could. She'd understand that. And on top of that she's already convinced we're Anathema and now has a very personal reason to hate us.

To be fair, most Wyld Hunts don't encounter Anathema of such power and survive, so she may not have experienced one directly.

I mean, who are we kidding here? A genuine Dragonblooded in Ulyssian's place wouldn't have stood a chance, no matter how much training from Zao he might have had.

Zao himself could have beaten them trivially. If you've been trained for over a decade and half by Zao himself, it might be possible. For all they know you could be an E5 multiple Immaculate Master and know 6 CMAs.

For the casino, can we spin it as Nilul cashing in favours to make us go?

Sure, for the little enough that helps.
 
How... restrained and reasonable of you. I don't think that will win, though...
I'll just have to hope I can win by merit of arguments alone in spite of feeling already kind of tired and having some other stuff to do!

Seriously though, there are several good reasons not to take any of the other options and I feel like people picking two or three is largely motivated by the desire to just see something happen, which honestly is a very suboptimal way to arrive at any decision in a situation as delicate as ours.

That Nilul's plan sounds fun is an absolutely horrible reason to choose it.
There are no free choices here, our enemies are powerful and will not give us quarter and material wealth that ultimately pales against anything Zao could provide if we really needed it doesn't seem like all that attractive a reward.
Even when a lot of people were jumping on the revelry wagon because it sounded so fun, there were at least several very good reasons to do so.
The same can hardly be said here.

We'd be heavily straining our already rather easily strained cover story, putting all of our friends into more danger through their closer association with us, further alienating ourselves from our House and its allies and, regardless of how forgiving the Stress mechanic actually ends up being, we'd be depriving ourselves of one safe pick later on.

We have important shit to do.
Passing with flying colours alone will cost us 5 actions, we only get 6 actions free and with more updates and chances for plot XP we'll also be required to pick heavy training later on which only leaves a handful of slots open for events like these.
Blowing one of these on something with so many downsides just because it sounds fun (and as if any of the other events involving Nilul Rihaku will be dangling in front of our eyes and we'll inevitably have to turn down won't sound fun *sigh*) is the height of folly.

We can have actions about reconnecting with our friends, paying back Nilul for her help and making things up to Saery for Uly being a dick, ridiculous shenanigans and all that other stuff that will be far more sensible when enough time has passed that any kind of 'reconciliation' is even remotely reasonable and we are much more powerful and therefor much more capable of dealing with the negative attention we'll be bringing down on our friends.

The mission with Ivory runs into similar issues.
We have chosen Power & Security for the Power & Security it offers while we power up, so lets actually take advantage of that.
Certainly we'll start to include more interseting options than training later on, but that can at the very least wait until we're more powerful since there is next to no reason to front-load our stress expenditure when we will be ridiculously more capable of accomplishing things during these excursions later on.

We have a large enough XP buffer that we could do two months of pure training before we have to go look for Plot XP and squeeze XP out of further updates so we should really use these first two months to build up a Stress buffer as well.
 
Anyway, based on my reasoning... She's either a True Believer, or a zealot who's straight-up Deled-tier hair-trigger in terms of being happy and willing to kill based on the flimsiest premises. Or she's a victim who got mindwhammied by a Sidereal to be "Convinced" of this.

That being said, the fact she can so trivially "Recant a Recantment", or otherwise do whatever she wants to get at us, sort of suggests that we haven't bought any time at all, because for whatever reason, the Immaculate Order is 100% convinced that the testimony of one guy who hates us is ironclad evidence.
 
[X] Better Listener (160,000 Normal XP) - Long millennia ago, on the advice of his Lunar Mate, Odyssial became a better listener.

I believe we'll have a short respite before another attempt on our lives or our friend's lives, (unless we get caught in the casino). So I'll go with the broad utility and information gathering power with some small combat repercussions. Ambition is tempting, but I think we'll have time to get more killy before the next fight, and I want Better Listener before Fortune-Stealing Palms, since espionage is so much more effective with good information.
 
Fucking conundrums. I also Strongly dislike how Easy it seems to be to stick the Anathema label on someone on flimsy evidence and cause this kind of shitstorm.

... Actually, come to think of it, how often Does that happen? Is it the kind of thing that happens regularly, where the Immaculate Order gets "Tipped Off" that someone is an Anathema, and they dispatch a death squad to kill them?

It works if the person is actually exposed as Anathema, because their Sidereal handlers pointed them at the right target. Also, remember that you are a member of a Great House, with massive resources eclipsing those of most nations, and they didn't lift a finger to protect you. Normally there would have been months, if not weeks, if red tape.

[x] Execute.
"Without calculation, failure. Without ruthlessness, tragedy."

I think we're sadly in an occasion where the sword must fall.

Well, that's not a statement about the universe itself from me, Saery certainly doesn't believe it! But the Magnus did, while he lived.
 
[X] Execute Her - Beware you who sow the wind... They started it. Now you will finish it. They came here, defying the Admiral, with full intent to kill you. Likely she believes you still to be Anathema. This will not change that belief. She is the tool of the Bronze Faction. Now they have one less tool. [50,000 XP]


Killing her now buy us half a year when Wyld Hunt can't touch us if we don't show ourselves to be Solar openly according to previous choice offered.
It's cruel, true but it's best choice we have here and it's great proof that we were extensively trained. Any overt actions taken by Bronze Faction will need to be done with their own resources instead of relying on Immaculate for time. This choice gives us time and that is what we need most to prepare, XP is also nice.


[X] Studying For the Naval Exam - You must pick this option at least two times in the months to come, if you want to pass. You must pick it at least five times if you want to pass with flying colors. Passing with flying colors will make placement easier, if you intend to go into the Navy.

This one should give us some improvement in skills across the board. While I understand that we want to specialize making sure we aren't deficient in any field will be important. More importantly this will open way to seizing control of Realm's assets, Odyssial was general thus Ulyssian know value of army at his disposal.


[ ] Tepet Number Five - Nilul has devised a scheme to cheat the Cynis casino on nearby Shimmering Opal island. She is attempting to recruit co-conspirators. Moon has already reluctantly agreed, as she owes Nilul too many favors, and you think Saery is going as well. She needs two more, and would like you to be one of them.

This is tempting option, very tempting. Unfortunately we need to keep act of things with Moon being rocky at best but allow us to run damage control on our friends and making sure we are on good terms with Saery will be very important. We need friends, people ready to watch our back because we aren't invincible, never were. We stayed in Academy for them so we shouldn't discard this lightly, legality be damned.


[X] Field Trip - Ivory will be dispatched this month to investigate a port of moderate interest; Pearl asks if you'd like to come along. It'd be a valuable opportunity to get some field experience, though you two will be alone and with minimal support if anything goes wrong. Pearl is very capable of extracting herself, but has no power to help others do so.

This will keep us away from Moon and speed our growth by way of possible experience, plus getting to know Ivory again is just as important as making sure we're good with our friends, on negative side this keep us away from our friends.



[X] In order:
[X] Growing Ambition (200,000 Solar XP) - A powerful set-up for future development, granting you access to one Essence 4 Charm in a later month. Good for lots of edge cases in combat, as well, rounding you out as a person fighter.

*Flash of Steel, Flawless Mirror Shield, Saber Mirror Shield, The King Stands Against, Beyond Perfection Ascendancy
*This gets you access to Beyond Perfection Ascendancy, which allows you to learn Essence 4 Charms. It's really, really good.
*You also become much better against multiple foes (Saber Mirror Shield), ranged foes (Flash of Steel), foes, like Sidereals, with Unblockable attacks (Flawless Mirror Shield), and extremely powerful foes (The King Stands Against).

[X] Better Listener (160,000 Normal XP) - Long millennia ago, on the advice of his Lunar Mate, Odyssial became a better listener.

*The keenness of his hearing and touch increase dramatically, allowing him to feel the vibrations from a insect's tread, or listen to conversations insulated by solid stone.
*His powers of sight are improved as well, giving him superlative vision under all circumstances. He can make out details through a blindfold, or read a letter through a window from three rooftops away.
*His heightened senses allow him supreme readiness for battle. With a modest exertion of power and will, he can leap into the fray with uncanny speed, seizing the momentum of the fight and significantly increasing his ability to spot hidden enemies.
*At Essence 3, his comprehension of physical vibrations is unmatched; he can feel the movements of individual formations through the ground of the battlefield, comprehend the utmost whispered discussions of enemy generals leagues away in their tents, or stalk a trackless foe by the miniscule vibrations of steps left hours ago. A one-man intelligence operation, he can ferret out secrets from a room hours after they were spoken, or monitor the entire guard detail of a fortress by crawling along its walls.
*All effects occur in a manner that avoids overwhelming Odyssial.
 
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Hmm if we want to keep our promise stay away from Moon during the Casino heist we could possibly split off and team up with Nilul on a "fake date" thing and have her distract other players and dealers/staff while we get our super-thief/card shark on (plus it would mean possibly SHENANIGANS!)
 
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