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[Exalted, ?] Most High

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Guile said:
The difference, I think, is that these guys are already 100% convinced we're Anathema, they're part of an elite ruling class since they're in the upper echelons of the only dogma permissible in the Realm, and they've got a dozen Sidereals pouring liquid luck to grease the wheels.

If they're willing to do an endzone play around the Great Houses and Shogun Feng to do this, I can't think of anything we could say to make them pack it in and go home. They have to already know how bad this looks, and they're doing it anyway with no doubt whatsoever.
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Yeah, but nothing we do is going to convince them otherwise, right? I mean, we win, yayifications... but they're just gonna walk away thinking we're a powerful Anathema. Unless we're killing them? That introduces its own problems. We're just doing this for public perception, not to win over the actual Immaculates. Syn's puppets won't be convinced no matter what we do. I'm willing to take a less absolute exoneration in the public's eyes if it means a guarantee of life.
 
So buying both War-Saint and Flash of Steel leaves us with leaves us with: 252,900 normal and 258,600 solar - based on the previous estimates, that's enough for at least two months of solid training, right @Rihaku?

We aren't actually any worse off than we were XP-wise before training then, but are notably stronger.
 
Vitaris said:
Yeah, but nothing we do is going to convince them otherwise, right? I mean, we win, yayifications... but they're just gonna walk away thinking we're a powerful Anathema. Unless we're killing them? That introduces its own problems. We're just doing this for public perception, not to win over the actual Immaculates. Syn's puppets won't be convinced no matter what we do. I'm willing to take a less absolute exoneration in the public's eyes if it means a guarantee of life.
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No, we win, and then we murder them for daring to impugn the honor of our master by claiming he associates with Anathema. (Or the opposite of that is possible I suppose.)

The shikai insisted on a duel to the death.
 
Vitaris said:
Yeah, but nothing we do is going to convince them otherwise, right? I mean, we win, yayifications... but they're just gonna walk away thinking we're a powerful Anathema. Unless we're killing them? That introduces its own problems. We're just doing this for public perception, not to win over the actual Immaculates. Syn's puppets won't be convinced no matter what we do. I'm willing to take a less absolute exoneration in the public's eyes if it means a guarantee of life.
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They specified the contest as to the death.
 
Candesce said:
The problem with [] Negotiate isn't that it gives the Hunt the opening to try again soon; that soon could be spent training charms the efficient way, or otherwise preparing.

No, the problem is that a) the entire basis of that combat test "proving" we're not Anathema is that we haven't had time to train, so we get less out of the fight, and b) the risk that whatever more orthodox tests they might be possible to argue into might actually be less possible for us to accomplish - we're not going to be lighting fires with our anima right now.
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If it's just lighting stuff on fire, Zao can fake that anytime he's within a 9-mile radius. They won't choose something that easy. With Negotiate, of course, you get some say in what the test turns out to be.

Guile said:
The difference, I think, is that these guys are already 100% convinced we're Anathema, they're part of an elite ruling class since they're in the upper echelons of the only dogma permissible in the Realm, and they've got a dozen Sidereals pouring liquid luck to grease the wheels.

If they're willing to do an endzone play around the Great Houses and Shogun Feng to do this, I can't think of anything we could say to make them pack it in and go home. They have to already know how bad this looks, and they're doing it anyway with no doubt whatsoever.
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The Sids mainly did bureaucray stuff, you're pretty sure. An inquest like this should take months to pull off, not literal days. If you guys stunt to covince Zao that you're going through with this no matter what (which you should really reconsider), though, that would help against any Fate mojo. He can just rip it out with his elite DB martial arts.
 
Rihaku said:
The Sids mainly did bureaucray stuff, you're pretty sure. An inquest like this should take months to pull off, not literal days. If you guys stunt to covince Zao that you're going through with this no matter what (which you should really reconsider), though, that would help against any Fate mojo. He can just rip it out with his elite DB martial arts.
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... I would enjoy seeing that.
 
OK so how can we convice Zao that fighting them is a good idea? can we even do that? Or is any attempt at fighting these jobronies here and now going to alienate him? Cause I'd rather avoid that if at all possible.
 
SirLagginton said:
They specified the contest as to the death.
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Maaaybe we'd eat repercussions for killing a full brotherhood of Immaculates, but they're pretty clearly pissing into the wind (the Shogun of Wind's wind, no less) with this stunt.

I still think it'd be better to negotiate unless we can pump our chances up.
 
Emerald Oracle said:
OK so how can we convice Zao that fighting them is a good idea? can we even do that? Or is any attempt at fighting these jobronies here and now going to alienate him? Cause I'd rather avoid that if at all possible.
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Maybe if you can convince him that you actually are powerful enough to win, or that you won't be swayed no matter what.

Guile said:
... I would enjoy seeing that.
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Assuming any Fate mojo exists, of course. Assuming the Sids still have access to the Loom of Heaven in any capacity dealing with Exalts...

Van Ropen said:
So buying both War-Saint and Flash of Steel leaves us with leaves us with: 252,900 normal and 258,600 solar - based on the previous estimates, that's enough for at least two months of solid training, right @Rihaku?

We aren't actually any worse off than we were XP-wise before training then, but are notably stronger.
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That still leaves four months of training, wasted!
 
@Vitaris Well, it's explicitly stated that our chances increase greatly if we stunt, and Write Ins can flesh out the Brotherhood.


Does anybody know what type of Aspects House Sesus normally produces? Fire? Howsabout House Nellens? I'm trying to figure out if we could flesh out a background for one or two of the monks so that they'd be willing to negotiate. Lore 5 is compelling dammit!

Rihaku said:
That still leaves four months of training, wasted!
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So no XP for successfully defeating a Full Perfect Brotherhood in brutal mano-a-five-mano combat? Cause that sounds like something that should generate XP :p
 
Emerald Oracle said:
So no XP for successfully defeating a Full Perfect Brotherhood in brutal mano-a-five-mano combat? Cause that sounds like something that should generate XP :p
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You get 100,000 XP for accepting. If you lose, you die! If you win, you get to benefit from that XP!

Hm, if you guys go all-in and buy stuff, you should have around 480,000 of both to spend. That's 6 flash-bought Charms and Evocations, which would indeed vastly improve your chances if applied optimally. The main issue is getting the correct Titles. I guess we can split Accept into two votes, the vote that wants your training to be productive afterwards, and the vote that basically is a revote of Swift Deployment where you leave the Academy because all of your training was crystallized in this one moment.
 
Rihaku said:
That still leaves four months of training, wasted!
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Uh huh. Lemme guess, you were totally gonna have those four months be uninterrupted, peaceful moments of self-reflection and self-improvement.

Those months were kinda marked for waste anyways, when we picked the training option without the XP to utilize it to its fullest. After that hypothetical splurge and this fight, we are basically (assuming we live) in the same situation we were earlier having traded our House for more personal power - exactly what the revel vs training vote was about.

Though you have once again dodged around exactly how much having both titles outright improves our chances, :mad::p
 
Emerald Oracle said:
@VitarisDoes anybody know what type of Aspects House Sesus normally produces? Fire? Howsabout House Nellens? I'm trying to figure out if we could flesh out a background for one or two of the monks so that they'd be willing to negotiate. Lore 5 is compelling dammit!
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Nellens is the mortal House, so they've got a grab-bag of Aspects, many of which are reclaimed Lost Eggs. They lack a strong enough bloodline to have a single dominant Aspect. Most of Sesus is Fire, I think. Fitting, given their militaristic tendencies.
 
Van Ropen said:
Those months were kinda marked for waste anyways, when we picked the training option without the XP to utilize it to its fullest.
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Not necessarily, you could easily have generated enough XP to make use of 5-6 of those months as the month updates were going on!

Orm Embar said:
Nellens is the mortal House, so they've got a grab-bag of Aspects, many of which are reclaimed Lost Eggs. They lack a strong enough bloodline to have a single dominant Aspect. Most of Sesus is Fire, I think. Fitting, given their militaristic tendencies.
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For some reason I think Nellens is water, but I don't know why.
 
Rihaku said:
For some reason I think Nellens is water, but I don't know why.
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I think you're thinking of Peleps.
2E said:
The Exalted of House Nellens favor no elemental aspect over any other. This is exactly the lack of elemental focus that other Houses mock (and fear, and guard against), though such a burden is expected of a House as misbegotten as Nellens.
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Come on people, is a Third Circle of Adorjan going to be the voice of reason for you! (no offense)

Van Ropen said:
Hmm?

Getting both War-Saint and Flash of Steel entirely still leaves us with enough for two months.
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See the post right above yours, those will be the two options on offer. You can write-in a custom spend, but if you're gonna blow XP to make sure you survive, you really should MAKE SURE you survive!
 
OK, so the only members of the brotherhood who actually spoke were the Water and Earth Aspects. The Water is probably at least nominally in charge or the group's face as she was the one to present the charges, and maintained at least some degree of decorum, even if it was minimal. The Earth aspect is just a gigantic ass who clearly believes Ulyssian is an Anathema. He took obviously joy in the idea of the whole murder plan.

That leaves Wood, Air, and Fire we can flesh out as possibly in our favor somehow. The Fire Aspect could be a member of House Sesus himself, here to ensure that this is put to rest. If so he might want to go for the brutal combat thing, or he might want to go the negotiate way, it could go either way. I kinda want the Wood aspect to be a member of House Nellens, who joined the Wyld Hunt to protect the Realm and Creation, and here at least in part because the theoretical revelation is vexing to her House Pride.
 
Rihaku said:
Come on people, is a Third Circle of Adorjan going to be the voice of reason for you! (no offense)
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None taken, none taken...

Ouch, though. We pump our chances and win, and then we leave, denying us Moon... or we fight with less auspicious odds and make the most of our time here.

Orrrr, we could just negotiate. S'not like they're fanatics or anything! They're respected heroes of the Realm, men and women anointed by the Dragons and amenable to reason.

(who am I kidding they're totally fanatics)
 
Rihaku said:
See the post right above yours, those will be the two options on offer. You can write-in a custom spend, but if you're gonna blow XP to make sure you survive, you really should MAKE SURE you survive!
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This is true, but I don't know how much over 70% the chances of survival for a "custom spread" are in the first place which makes evaluating difficult.

What would War-Saint + Flash of Steel (+ Stunts?) come to?
 
Well, if for the sake of argument we do rely on Zao for this... how important is Zao's influence to us, and our plans to save the Realm in general?

Would this hurt his influence with Immaculate followers only? Would it harm his influence in the navy, ostensibly far more important to us?
Rihaku said:
That still leaves four months of training, wasted!
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But those are going to be wasted no matter what we do, since we don't have anywhere near enough XP to fill those tanks, whether we take the +100,000XP/flash learning option or not.
 
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