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As the Revelry -voters predicted, our faux pas has brought us complications. Still, I think that it was worth it, as Sids might have decided an another approach if our house would have protected us. We can also use this as an opportunity to regain our standing as well as further strengthening our ruse if we manage to do this without being too obvious about our Solar nature. Also, live opponents who are only a moderate mortal threat to us, and only a low (if still possible) chance of another party ambushing us! Its like training, only better! :D

But anyway, its quite the boon to us that Rihaku is willing to let us to retroactively vote for what we trained in. Getting complete combat focus training, even if it was shorter than expected, on top of our initial boost at our Exaltation and Zao's armor-artifact can give us good chances of triumphing. Stunts would be welcome though. And maybe even the partial Title flash-buying that Serous was suggesting.

Rihaku, how much it would cost us to flash-buy the remaining part of one of the two Titles? Is Serous correct about the amount being 20k being lost if we do so?
 
Negotiation might not work out so well, if part of the testing is dependent on Sesus code-phrases, because if they're refusing to cough up verification of our genealogy, then they may very well have changed them on us.
meianmaru said:
As the Revelry -voters predicted, our faux pas has brought us complications. Still, I think that it was worth it, as Sids might have decided an another approach if our house would have protected us. We can also use this as an opportunity to regain our standing as well as further strengthening our ruse if we manage to do this without being too obvious about our Solar nature. Also, live opponents who are only a moderate mortal threat to us, and only a low (if still possible) chance of another party ambushing us! Its like training, only better!
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Man, we should be thanking the Immaculates! How often does experience come to us on a silver platter?
 
Darn, was really looking forward to Better Listener.

[X] Accept - Caution you who sow the wind, for you shall reap the whirlwind. They believe that if it comes to blows, they will easily prevail. And perhaps against almost any days-old Solar, they would be correct. But you are Odyssial, who was Lord Strategos of the Exalted Host, and your blade has cut down Titans. Let them come, the dragons of earth and fire. You will show them what true power is. [+100,000 XP, Immaculate accusations are utterly defeated for several months if you prevail]


Rihaku said:
Does it? There are two options that don't involve combat at all. You guys can just play it safe and shelter under Zao's aegis, as he would desire.
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If we start off at "okay" chances, how do our chances look after going Flash of Steel, 40k of War-Saint, then flash buying the rest of War-Saint as Serous suggested? I mean, the extra 120k is utterly painful, but the fight option over a safer negotiation brings in 100 of that.
 
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Delwgun said:
[X] Accept
Our chances are actually pretty good for this fight if we buy some martial titles and have some nice armor.
[X]War-Saint
-[X] Flash of Steel (Damage component)
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They are?

It is actually possible to win this without flash-buying anything and relying only on the 200k that you have already spent. But it requires deep system mastery of 3E, as well as more than a bit of luck - or stunts. That would give you the greatest long-term power by far; you can't keep burning XP.

Serous said:
Worse comes to worse, since Accept comes with 100k XP, we can use it to flash buy charms. In fact, that's probably a pretty good idea.

We buy Flash of Steel as well as 40k of War Saint, then flash buy the rest of it. We'll lose 20k over optimum spending, but should have a pretty good chance of victory.
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Ouch, that's brutal. 100K XP is only slightly over one fourth of a title at Flash-Buy prices, you know. The objective is to get XP, not squander it!

Orm Embar said:
Hmm... combat against a Perfected Brotherhood would be a suicidal proposition, were we anyone else; as Ulyssian, it is merely risky. Extremely so. Syn really has gone for broke...
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Au contraire, she has not even begun to fight. But you can nip one of her weapons in the bud, if you prevail on the field of battle.

If we prevail, though, we not only protect Zao's political power from diminishment, we sow the seeds of Sesus Ulyssian's own independent legend, a pool of influence entirely our own. It bears further consideration, but I'm leaning towards accepting. We'll need stunts, though.
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Stunts, and more than stunts, most likely.
 
Orm Embar said:
Negotiation might not work out so well, if part of the testing is dependent on Sesus code-phrases, because if they're refusing to cough up verification of our genealogy, then they may very well have changed them on us.

Man, we should be thanking the Immaculates! How often does experience come to us on a silver platter?
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Yeah.

Still, If Sesus wants to change the genealogy, we going with Zao. To clear things up and make sure everyone knows we are of Sesus blood.
 
[X] Accept - Caution you who sow the wind, for you shall reap the whirlwind. They believe that if it comes to blows, they will easily prevail. And perhaps against almost any days-old Solar, they would be correct. But you are Odyssial, who was Lord Strategos of the Exalted Host, and your blade has cut down Titans. Let them come, the dragons of earth and fire. You will show them what true power is. [+100,000 XP, Immaculate accusations are utterly defeated for several months if you prevail]

[X]War-Saint
-[X] Flash of Steel (Damage component)
 
Rihaku said:
Does it? There are two options that don't involve combat at all. You guys can just play it safe and shelter under Zao's aegis, as he would desire.
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As I said, Red Option is Red. For good or ill, there isn't much fear of death by combat in this here thread, and with the shinies offered, I very much expect some form of combat to happen. Even if it's just arguing them down from a multi-man melee into a series of combats where we aren't allowed to rest.
 
Hmm.

I'd rather nip them in the bud before they can put a Real player on the field. Letting the Immaculate Order continue gathering strength and suspicion without breaking them with their own word will be difficult, costly, and time consuming.

We accept a short term significant risk, in hopes of buying more time and resources down the line.
 
meianmaru said:
As the Revelry -voters predicted, our faux pas has brought us complications. Still, I think that it was worth it, as Sids might have decided an another approach if our house would have protected us. We can also use this as an opportunity to regain our standing as well as further strengthening our ruse if we manage to do this without being too obvious about our Solar nature. Also, live opponents who are only a moderate mortal threat to us, and only a low (if still possible) chance of another party ambushing us! Its like training, only better! :D
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Moderate mortal threat... might be understating it, a little. 3E is HARSH on 1 v many, that's why Ambition gets really good at fighting multiple enemies in Adamant.

But anyway, its quite the boon to us that Rihaku is willing to let us to retroactively vote for what we trained in. Getting complete combat focus training, even if it was shorter than expected, on top of our initial boost at our Exaltation and Zao's armor-artifact can give us good chances of triumphing. Stunts would be welcome though. And maybe even the partial Title flash-buying that Serous was suggesting.

Rihaku, how much it would cost us to flash-buy the remaining part of one of the two Titles? Is Serous correct about the amount being 20k being lost if we do so?
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He is, though you would be in an even bigger XP hole (as far as Normal vs. Solar XP) than previously; you really need to conserve your XP at this point, and accepting without flash-buying would really help you long term. Remember, only 60k of that 100k is Normal XP, and only 40k is Solar.

Orm Embar said:
Negotiation might not work out so well, if part of the testing is dependent on Sesus code-phrases, because if they're refusing to cough up verification of our genealogy, then they may very well have changed them on us.

Man, we should be thanking the Immaculates! How often does experience come to us on a silver platter?
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Well, if they're only slightly outdated, then the Sesus cadets in the audience (of which there are probably at least one, given your three cousins in this year alone) would be able to confirm that, and also that the house was never very interested in you.

Van Ropen said:
Darn, was really looking forward to Better Listener.

[X] Accept - Caution you who sow the wind, for you shall reap the whirlwind. They believe that if it comes to blows, they will easily prevail. And perhaps against almost any days-old Solar, they would be correct. But you are Odyssial, who was Lord Strategos of the Exalted Host, and your blade has cut down Titans. Let them come, the dragons of earth and fire. You will show them what true power is. [+100,000 XP, Immaculate accusations are utterly defeated for several months if you prevail]

Indeed, but not enough people voted for titles for it to be remotely binding. It helped you in the end.


If we start off at "okay" chances, how do our chances look after going Flash of Steel, 40k of War-Saint, then flash buying the rest of War-Saint as Serous suggested? I mean, the extra 120k is utterly painful, but the fight option over a safer negotiation brings in 100 of that.
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You probably have a ~50% chance without buying anything. If you buy War-Saint and the damage part of Ambition, that raises your chances to about 70%, but you'll have to play this mechanically optimally. I will do most of that for you, but there are more than a few things Ulyssian won't figure out without a stunt; he has very limited experience in Exalt vs. Exalt combat, as Zao just trounced him and Flame was easy.
 
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[X] Accept

Really want to see a nice showing of good old Sesus brutality here.

More seriously though, House Sesus is (rightfully?) pissed at us and we need to make up for that and for our lack of XP.
Hurting Zao's influence further is not going into the right direction and Negotiate still has us miss out on the XP, when as Serous said, even flashbuying in order to survive the duel would put us only 20k XP into the hole, which isn't too bad considering that the Siddies may send more shit at us before long and getting stronger immediately is therefor not a horrible idea.

Brutally massacring these Immaculate monks however?
It cripples the Siddie's ability to mess with us, discredits the shit out of Flame, makes at least a few members of House Sesus shit themselves in fear of pissing us off further, gives any member of House Sesus willing to work with us a pretty big argument for why the rest should really not burn bridges with us, even if we were an asshole to them, and also gives every other House a massive incentive to try to buy us away if House Sesus continues with their current policies regarding us.
 
[X] Accept - Caution you who sow the wind, for you shall reap the whirlwind. They believe that if it comes to blows, they will easily prevail. And perhaps against almost any days-old Solar, they would be correct. But you are Odyssial, who was Lord Strategos of the Exalted Host, and your blade has cut down Titans. Let them come, the dragons of earth and fire. You will show them what true power is. [+100,000 XP, Immaculate accusations are utterly defeated for several months if you prevail]

[X]War-Saint
-[X] Flash of Steel (Damage component)

Okay people we need to get to stunting. We must craft stunts as we have never crafted stirs before. We need to teach these damn lizards why underestimating us is a bad idea. We also need to go have a "talk" with our family as soon as possible.
 
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[X] Accept - Caution you who sow the wind, for you shall reap the whirlwind. They believe that if it comes to blows, they will easily prevail. And perhaps against almost any days-old Solar, they would be correct. But you are Odyssial, who was Lord Strategos of the Exalted Host, and your blade has cut down Titans. Let them come, the dragons of earth and fire. You will show them what true power is. [+100,000 XP, Immaculate accusations are utterly defeated for several months if you prevail]

[X]War-Saint
-[X] Flash of Steel (Damage component)
 
Just to make sure, this isn't some kind of double bluff thing is it? Where they set Ulyssian up in a situation only a solar could win, saying that it will prove his Dragon-bloodedness? I could see something that convoluted come from a Sidereal brain y'see, and it worries me a little.
 
Usernames said:
Yeah.

Still, If Sesus wants to change the genealogy, we going with Zao. To clear things up and make sure everyone knows we are of Sesus blood.
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They're not changing the geneology, just not giving it the Order to prove your provenance.

Emerald Oracle said:
As I said, Red Option is Red. For good or ill, there isn't much fear of death by combat in this here thread, and with the shinies offered, I very much expect some form of combat to happen. Even if it's just arguing them down from a multi-man melee into a series of combats where we aren't allowed to rest.
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That would actually possibly be worse for you, because you have an AoE damage charm that could let you take them all out in one blow, after building enough combat momentum. The trouble is getting there when Five Immaculates are wailing on you. But maybe not, I mean they could start getting cold feet after seeing the first three guys get completely dominated.

Alectai said:
Hmm.

I'd rather nip them in the bud before they can put a Real player on the field. Letting the Immaculate Order continue gathering strength and suspicion without breaking them with their own word will be difficult, costly, and time consuming.

We accept a short term significant risk, in hopes of buying more time and resources down the line.
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But a risk of death? This quest can and will end here, if you get extremely unlucky. Or you could get extremely lucky and then Exalt as an Abyssal, but it'd still be in the middle of everyone, so yeah...
 
Rihaku said:
You probably have a ~50% chance without buying anything. If you buy War-Saint and the damage part of Ambition, that raises your chances to about 70%, but you'll have to play this mechanically optimally. I will do most of that for you, but there are more than a few things Ulyssian won't figure out without a stunt; he has very limited experience in Exalt vs. Exalt combat, as Zao just trounced him and Flame was easy.
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So 50 with nothing, 70 with one and half...what is it if we flashbuy so we have both titles entirely?
 
Rihaku said:
Moderate mortal threat... might be understating it, a little. 3E is HARSH on 1 v many, that's why Ambition gets really good at fighting multiple enemies in Adamant.
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Hmm. Well, it is reasonable, as these are people who hunt Solars before they get too strong as a lifestyle. Still, dat XP! Speaking of which.
Rihaku said:
He is, though you would be in an even bigger XP hole (as far as Normal vs. Solar XP) than previously; you really need to conserve your XP at this point, and accepting without flash-buying would really help you long term. Remember, only 60k of that 100k is Normal XP, and only 40k is Solar.
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Ouch. That was more than I expected. And yeah, conserving XP for situations where we can expend it safely or absolutely need it might be more rational.

Anyway, too late for me to be doing stunts or omakes, will do that in the morning if no update by then. But might as well hop on the bandwagon before that.

[X] Accept
 
Pipeman said:
[X] Accept

Really want to see a nice showing of good old Sesus brutality here.

More seriously though, House Sesus is (rightfully?) pissed at us and we need to make up for that and for our lack of XP.
Hurting Zao's influence further is not going into the right direction and Negotiate still has us miss out on the XP, when as Serous said, even flashbuying in order to survive the duel would put us only 20k XP into the hole, which isn't too bad considering that the Siddies may send more shit at us before long and getting stronger immediately is therefor not a horrible idea.

Brutally massacring these Immaculate monks however?
It cripples the Siddie's ability to mess with us, discredits the shit out of Flame, makes at least a few members of House Sesus shit themselves in fear of pissing us off further, gives any member of House Sesus willing to work with us a pretty big argument for why the rest should really not burn bridges with us, even if we were an asshole to them, and also gives every other House a massive incentive to try to buy us away if House Sesus continues with their current policies regarding us.
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It would be pretty badass. But you guys should really evaluate the upsides of victory as well as the downsides of defeat.

Diller said:
[X] Accept - Caution you who sow the wind, for you shall reap the whirlwind. They believe that if it comes to blows, they will easily prevail. And perhaps against almost any days-old Solar, they would be correct. But you are Odyssial, who was Lord Strategos of the Exalted Host, and your blade has cut down Titans. Let them come, the dragons of earth and fire. You will show them what true power is. [+100,000 XP, Immaculate accusations are utterly defeated for several months if you prevail]

[X]War-Saint
-[X] Flash of Steel (Damage component)

Okay people we need to get to stunting. We must craft stunts as we have never crafted stirs before. We need to teach these damn lizards why underestimating us is a bad idea. We also need to go have a talk with our family as soon as possible.
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I don't know if they're much interested in talking...

TheOtherSandman said:
Excalibur/Caliburn a shit.
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Ambition does look different from that, but it's a bit difficult to describe.

Emerald Oracle said:
Just to make sure, this isn't some kind of double bluff thing is it? Where they set Ulyssian up in a situation only a solar could win, saying that it will prove his Dragon-bloodedness? I could see something that convoluted come from a Sidereal brain y'see, and it worries me a little.
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A days-old Solar should not be able to survive, yeah. They may have tried to frame that as something if you indeed won, but since the Earth Aspect overextended by trying to bait you, they can't anymore. He's a fully ordained Immaculate monk, after all! The theological debate would take years.
 
Van Ropen said:
So 50 with nothing, 70 with one and half...what is it if we flashbuy so we have both titles entirely?
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It's a bit hard to say, the ranged clash part of that title is kind of useless, as is the blocking the unblockable part. The onslaught reverser is really nice but it's the apex charm, so you'd be wasting 160k XP to profitably spend 80k.

meianmaru said:
Hmm. Well, it is reasonable, as these are people who hunt Solars before they get too strong as a lifestyle. Still, dat XP! Speaking of which.

Ouch. That was more than I expected. And yeah, conserving XP for situations where we can expend it safely or absolutely need it might be more rational.

Anyway, too late for me to be doing stunts or omakes, will do that in the morning if no update by then. But might as well hop on the bandwagon before that.

[X] Accept
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Actually, a normal wild hunt only has one Shikari and some other DB dudes. They only send Five Shikari when they have to take down Five Solars.
 
Going by last XP count, we have 306,400 Normal 367,600 Solar XP.

Calibration Training:
160k Normal
40k Solar

Flash Buy
120k Solar
120k Normal

Total:
280k Normal - 60k Noraml = 220k Normal
160k Solar - 40k Solar = 120k Solar

Remaining XP:
86.4k Normal
247.6k Solar
 
Build up as much Initiative as possible, while driving opponents sequentially into Crash, then unleash that AOE damage Charm with the large bank of dice from building up all that Initiative. The problem is I have no idea how to do that, because my eyes glaze over and I cry tears of blood at the 900+ fucking Charms in the Core. There is presumably some trick to avoid being overwhelmed; Ambition's Evocations are aimed toward that. But the basic engine is very unforgiving of one combatant taking on multiple opponents unless the opponents are just completely outclassed, which isn't the case here.
 
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