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It comes to mind that our next vote might well also have a tradeoff between xp+training and social; after all, outside of the Sesus connection, we're still going to have a bunch of friends wanting to know what's up, and we're still going to want more xp.

And as has been pointed out, we'll really want the xp; we've been burning a lot of it.

Do we think that that next choice is going to have a better or worse rate of conversion between xp and social bonds?
 
Since one of the larger benefits of Power is reducing training time to three days and Evoactions take way longer to train than other titles, we'd probably want to take Flash of Steel here.
 
Pipeman said:
Yes, Nilul may easily be socipathic enough to throw ULy under the bus and there is probably a limit to what she's willing to do, but by making sure Uly doesn't screw up here she's effectively making her hiding place more secure while also insinuating herself even more into his good graces and without actually harming her own interests greatly.
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True, but I doubt this decision is going to alter her view of us, and there are serious opportunity costs to not exploiting this training opportunity. Ulyssian has passed up socialization for advancement every time this decision has come up in the past. If she wants us to be a protector, she can hardly begrudge us the opportunity to become stronger and our desire to take actions in service of our friends. She has to know she's pissing into the wind here; she isn't going to suddenly stop being our friend if we don't go along with her. With her social acumen, she probably understands what this opportunity means to Ulyssian, just how much he wants to test his limits, to make the most of his newfound Exaltation.
 
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Pipeman said:
Since one of the larger benefits of Power is reducing training time to three days and Evoactions take way longer to train than other titles, we'd probably want to take Flash of Steel here.
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That is a consideration as well. But aren't the other titles more attractive?

Candesce said:
It comes to mind that our next vote might well also have a tradeoff between xp+training and social; after all, outside of the Sesus connection, we're still going to have a bunch of friends wanting to know what's up, and we're still going to want more xp.

And as has been pointed out, we'll really want the xp; we've been burning a lot of it.

Do we think that that next choice is going to have a better or worse rate of conversion between xp and social bonds?
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A salient point with regards to future votes, but perhaps not in the regard that you're thinking.

Feel free to vote on a title btw, or even a title and a half. It'll help us move through decision points faster, you don't even have to vote for raw power to do so.
 
Pipeman said:
Since one of the larger benefits of Power is reducing training time to three days and Evoactions take way longer to train than other titles, we'd probably want to take Flash of Steel here.
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Yes, but you're sure we can sell gleaming golden sunlight to the DBs?
We can't use it in front of DBs until we declare that we are Solar, probably after we put someone more sympathetic to us on the Scarlet Throne.


Hmm, can we use Better Listener to augment our social? Exalts still have tells unless they are as skilled as Zao or a Sidereal, no?
 
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Orm Embar said:
True, but I doubt this decision is going to alter her view of us, and there are serious opportunity costs to not exploiting this training opportunity. Ulyssian has passed up socialization for training every time this decision has come up in the past. If she wants us to be a protector, she can hardly begrudge us the opportunity to become stronger and our desire to take actions in service of our friends. She has to know she's pissing into the wind here; she isn't going to suddenly stop being our friend if we don't go along with her. With her social acumen, she probably understands what this opportunity means to Ulyssian, just how much he wants to test his limits, to make the most of this opportunity.
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That wasn't supposed to be an argument for going with Revelry.
It was an explanation for why she'd probably be alright with helping us to make revelry more effective, if it ends up being what we choose to do.

With that being said, if she's really here out of concern for how not attending might influence our standing (whether motivated by self-interest or not) as opposed to her being largely here because she doesn't want Uly to neglect his other friends or wants to see how he parties, it might be possible to convince her to run damage control while we train (for example with the "Zao grounded us" rumor).

After all, in that case her major objection would not really be that she gains nothing out of doing so, but that agreeing to do so reduces the chances that she can convince Uly to attend enough that refusing is worth the risk of him not attending at all and noone running damage control.
In that case what we'd have to do is convince her that Uly's training is really productive enough to be worth it, which might be achieved by telling her how quickly we got how powerful last time.
Of course the issue here is that we'd both have to be detailed and convincing enough that she believes our cost/benefit analysis of why training is more efficient while also keeping as many details as we can out of her hand, because namedropping Odyssial all the time is jsut too dangerous.
 
Orm Embar said:
Well, we can apparently twist Glorious Solar Saber into something fiery, so I'd say we have fairly good odds of pulling it off.
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I think that's just an effect of the regular GSS blade that does this.
Still, the effect described is an Evocation and Zao obviously gave us and Orichalcum artifact that he surely took from some dastardly Anathema he murdered, so what the hell do people expect?

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Rihaku said:
I'm pretty sure there's no huge issue with DBs using orichalcum weapons in 3E, regardless.
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There isn't, it's just rare, because Orichalcum is a pain in the ass to synthethize no matter who you are.

It's also called "Wishmetal" for a reason, it's damn near one of the best Magical Materials no matter what you put it towards.
 
Pipeman said:
After all, in that case her major objection would not really be that she gains nothing out of doing so, but that agreeing to do so reduces the chances that she can convince Uly to attend enough that refusing is worth the risk of him not attending at all and noone running damage control.
In that case what we'd have to do is convince her that Uly's training is really productive enough to be worth it, which might be achieved by telling her how quickly we got how powerful last time.
Of course the issue here is that we'd both have to be detailed and convincing enough that she believes our cost/benefit analysis of why training is more efficient while also keeping as many details as we can out of her hand, because namedropping Odyssial all the time is jsut too dangerous.
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Yeah, broadcasting our past identity is probably not a good idea, as it would invite the sort of attention we are not yet equipped to survive. If Anys Syn finds out... well. I'd kill to be a fly on that particular wall.

Anyway, I would be on-board with explaining to her that our essence has not yet settled and we have a valuable opportunity to coax truly supernal prowess out of our Exaltation, which is both true and plays into her self-interest. It's training. She can't expect Ulyssian to pass up training, man! It's as fun for us as parties are for her. Moreso, even.
 
I don't think DBs hate the sun, they think Anathem took power from the sun and moon by theft, so a sun-themed artifact is probably just weird, not instant suspicion.
 
Orm Embar said:
Yeah, broadcasting our past identity is probably not a good idea, as it would invite the sort of attention we are not yet equipped to survive. If Anys Syn finds out... well. I'd kill to be a fly on that particular wall.

Anyway, I would be on-board with explaining to her that our essence has not yet settled and we have a valuable opportunity to coax truly supernal prowess out of our Exaltation, which is both true and plays into her self-interest. It's training. She can't expect Ulyssian to pass up training, man! It's as fun for us as parties are for her. Moreso, even.
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I don't think that would be enough to overcome her own bias towards social networking and against personal combat prowess as a power source, especially since she lacks a frame of reference for how quickly a determined Solar, let a lone a determined reincarnation of Odyssial can grow.

We might have to go as far as mentioning that we have memories of a past life and informing her of how long it took for us to kill our first Third Circle Daeva and/or Primordial to make the relevance of some very effective training compressed down to three days clear, though the last one in particular might be a bit meta.
 
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Alectai said:
There isn't, it's just rare, because Orichalcum is a pain in the ass to synthethize no matter who you are.

It's also called "Wishmetal" for a reason, it's damn near one of the best Magical Materials no matter what you put it towards.
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I think it does say that Jade resonantes with DBs the best, but I doubt they would want to too heavily discourage DB pcs from using other material weapons for flavor, so I imagine DBs are at leadt okay with it. Probably Adamant Jade and Celestial everything else.

Emerald Oracle said:
We've been over that though, that just leads to Glorious Fell Empress Lilun Jobbing, and no one wants to see unnecessary Jobbing!
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We don't?

Pipeman said:
I don't think that would be enough to overcome her own bias towards social networking and against personal combat prowess as a power source, especially since she lacks a frame of reference for how quickly a determined Solar, let a lone a determined reincarnation of Odyssial can grow.

We might have to go as far as mentioning that we have memories of a past life and informing her of how long it took for us to kill our first Third Circle Daeva and/or Primordial to make the relevance of some very effective training compressed down to three days clear, though the last one in particular might be a bit meta.
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Hm. Well, the issue is that Odyssial was with the rest of the Host at the time, and while he did solo kill some Primordials, that wasn't until the end of the War when he was really powerful.
 
Usernames said:
Bitch ass solars. Can't do a solo raid?
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We all mourn the loss of the Obliterator, and regretfully contemplate what could have been.
Pipeman said:
We might have to go as far as mentioning that we have memories of a past life and informing her of how long it took for us to kill our first Third Circle Daeva and/or Primordial to make the relevance of some very effective training compressed down to three days clear, though the last one in particular might be a bit meta.
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I'll see if I can't come up with a stunt along those lines.
 
[X]Raw Power
[x] War-Saint's Ferocious Vigor
[x]Better listener. ( Half of it)

I'm against the trend here apparently but Flashing steel is the lest compelling to me.
 
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[X] Raw power
-[X] War-Saint's Ferocious Vigor
--[X] Flash of Steel (half)
*Against those who believe its reach to be limited, Ambition may deliver a swift reply. When attacked from outside melee range, Odyssial may meet that attack head-on. Sunlight flashes off his blade as if it were high noon, and he if overcomes the strike, so effortless is his deflection that it robs all momentum from his assailant.
*Against those who believe that it can be overcome by a hundred thousand lesser swords, Ambition displays its utmost scorn. Odyssial's superhuman guard grows in efficacy the more times he is attacked during a round.
 
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