[Exalted, ?] Most High

We're drawing our Sword from our Soul, that's what important. Having her onboard 100% and accepting Pearl's memories to propel her greater is just bonus.

The only reason to spend the expedited xp is to convince her, so how is the main cost and point of the option just a bonus to you? That makes very little sense to me. If you mainly care about the sword we can do that much more efficiently later.
 
what are the pros and cons for each options? can you explain in detail

From what he said to me it seems like the middle option is probably the worst choice...

Either way, what you don't want to do is keep pressing. It's clear this subject makes her mentally unstable, probably from the intensity of whatever Social / Mental charms and SMA they inflicted on her, so you want to resolve this either in one stroke or let her return to her normal equilibrium.

... Especially since we have very little social competencies.

So it really boils down to the power of friendship/burning a ton of XP for power (Immortal Bladesmaster title, which I assume is a handful of introductory Solar melee charms) and the sword (PRAISE THE SUN!), or letting it go.

One is, and I think votes will dictate, a way friendlier choice, but the cost differential between them is huge (one even refunds xp...)

I think I'm on board with...

[X] Accept it

WOG already has her on our side, and I certainly can see her doing her own soulsearching. We can apparently burn the xp (and more from this!) later if we need too, so the only incentive for me is the insta-grab of the Sword of Holy Shit This Guy is a Solar. The relationship may suffer, but it may not, she may appreciate the space to come to terms with it on her own, who knows.
 
Frankly I don't feel it's so urgently important that she needs to get onboard with this right this instant, I'm sure the internal conflict will be somewhat detrimental to her but she's a big girl she can cope.

This is pretty much a one time thing. If we dont press she goes back to the mindwashing default position she has been in. She will help us sure but that does not make it right. Frankly it will mean that the bronze fuckers that killed her have won in more ways then one. Pearl will never be remembered more then as a horrible monster that sided with the most hated Solar. I frankly refuse for that to happen, especially for Ivory, Pearls reincarnation she deserves more then going back into that created, false mindset.
 
The only reason to spend the expedited xp is to convince her, so how is the main cost and point of the option just a bonus to you? That makes very little sense to me. If you mainly care about the sword we can do that much more efficiently later.
We might not have the time.
And half of it is dscounted by Rihaku? I am not sure though.
For this to work, you will have to flash-purchase the Immortal Bladesmaster Title. Since you paid 150,000 XP before, I will discount the cost by 75,000 XP; the other half paid for the benefits of your extremely good Disguise outcome. You will therefore require 245,000 Normal XP to flash-purchase the Title, which grants, among other things, the power to summon your blade to hand, the power to banish and retrieve your personal arms from Elsewhere, the acquisition of Ambition, and greatly improved offensive skill.
 
Ambition is a bit too flashy of a sword isn't it? As nice as it would have been to have it around, using the weapon would just throw us under even greater scrutiny

And so much for Zao being one of the DB Odyssial cultist :(
 
Yes, busting out Ambition now costs more than if we were to sit down and actually train properly. The discount makes this less painful, but only marginally so; it pales in comparison to the option that actually gives us experience.
And so much for Zao being one of the DB Odyssial cultist :(
Zao? A Solar cultist? Please! He's spent far too much of his long, long life fighting the Solars.
 
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WOG already has her on our side, and I certainly can see her doing her own soulsearching. We can apparently burn the xp (and more from this!) later if we need too, so the only incentive for me is the insta-grab of the Sword of Holy Shit This Guy is a Solar. The relationship may suffer, but it may not, she may appreciate the space to come to terms with it on her own, who knows.
Yeah. It costs 150k for Immortal Blademaster, and Accept gives us that on top of what we already have. And if we really and truely need the Title at any stage prior to training times we can flashlearn it. The question is whether we're willing to spend 245k for the benefits of getting it right now.

[X] Accept it
 
This is pretty much a one time thing. If we dont press she goes back to the mindwashing default position she has been in. She will help us sure but that does not make it right. Frankly it will mean that the bronze fuckers that killed her have won in more ways then one. Pearl will never be remembered more then as a horrible monster that sided with the most hated Solar. I frankly refuse for that to happen, especially for Ivory, Pearls reincarnation she deserves more then going back into that created, false mindset.


You could get 150,000 XP, which is a very respectable amount at this decision point. Speaking from an effectiveness standpoint, given that Ivory is already fully committed due to your earlier decision, it's probably the strongest outcome. You become stronger and she is not much less effective.

She's here to stay, regardless.
 
I believe Nellens is quite weak among the Dynast Houses, although they are the most popular house among the common folk.
What are the chances of Ambition-boosted mass-blessing of mortal troops against other Dynasts IF the Civil War still happens?
It'd be a more massive version of our personal Batkids - err, Accurseds I guess.
 
This is pretty much a one time thing. If we dont press she goes back to the mindwashing default position she has been in. She will help us sure but that does not make it right. Frankly it will mean that the bronze fuckers that killed her have won in more ways then one. Pearl will never be remembered more then as a horrible monster that sided with the most hated Solar. I frankly refuse for that to happen, especially for Ivory, Pearls reincarnation she deserves more then going back into that created, false mindset.

It's not a one time thing, we can let it lie for now and come back and address the issue at a more prudent time.
 
This is the most efficient path. She'll come to the truth in her own time, and is allied with both Ulyssian and Zao regardless. The cost in experience is enormous, and we've been burning through it at a ridiculous rate as it is; time to recoup some of that. For now, we can truthfully tell her that whatever the reality of the situation, Pearl or Ivory, we value her as a friend and ally. That will have to be enough. She was a pleasant enough companion the last time; I can only imagine how much more likable she'll be when not buried under a pile of Soul Marks.

You fool! You've given Pearl's reincarnation a license to be annoying without the threat of imminent soul disintegreation, and you think she'll be more likeable?

So it really boils down to the power of friendship/burning a ton of XP for power (Immortal Bladesmaster title, which I assume is a handful of introductory Solar melee charms) and the sword (PRAISE THE SUN!), or letting it go.

Not really introductory Charms; Odyssial has a fuckload of Melee Charms despite his low Essence. He can beat a martial 2CD 80% of the time!

And so much for Zao being one of the DB Odyssial cultist :(

Lung Feng Zao is not anyone's cultist.
 
[X] Accept it
Although I'd like to throw in something about how even if Ivory has doubts, Ulyssian has none. As far as he's concerned, she is one of his greatest friends and allies, and he would fight, or kill, or die for her as he would for very few people now living. Perhaps only for Empty Moon herself would he expend greater effort to save. And for her he just jumped in front of an Immaculate Master's form strike with a mortal body and a non-magical sword.
 
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[x] Prove It

More than the sword, I don't want to leave Ivory heavily indoctrinated. I don't imagine the siddies stopped at memory blocks when they worked her over. Who knows if they planted something so they could incapacitate her or compel her if her loyalty came into question.

If we're going to trust her as an ally then we need to make sure her head is screwed on straight.
 
She's here to stay, regardless.

Yes I did write she will help us, it is her mindset that will go back, you know that "holders of my Exaltation, and a monster" thing. Getting the title and Ambition in this vote is a secondary benefit compared to influencing Ivory away from several Exaltations of brainwashing by the hands of her killers. Just accepting this sounds horrible from a story perspektive both considering how close Odyssial and Pearl where and how this will affect her longer down the line.
 
What are the chances of Ambition-boosted mass-blessing of mortal troops against other Dynasts IF the Civil War still happens?

Ambition allows its wielder to stand against armies alone. Its power is greatest when times are most dire, so it has pretty much no direct ability to buff people that aren't its wielder. It was made for Odyssial himself to prevail against overwhelming odds, after all.

Yeah. It costs 150k for Immortal Blademaster, and Accept gives us that on top of what we already have. And if we really and truely need the Title at any stage prior to training times we can flashlearn it. The question is whether we're willing to spend 245k for the benefits of getting it right now.

[X] Accept it

Not quite, if you flash-buy it outside of this point it costs the full 320,000.
 
Yeh, 240k NOW vs 320k sometimes in the future?
And wiping out all Ivory's mind-chains, possibly boosting her much, much more than she was.
Yess... This is why we chose Night Time after all.
 
What are the chances of Ambition-boosted mass-blessing of mortal troops against other Dynasts IF the Civil War still happens?
It'd be a more massive version of our personal Batkids - err, Accurseds I guess.
I can only hope that the chances are good.

Unfortunately, it's likely the Sesus backed out of the contract with Nellens and is now negotiating a more advantageous one. With someone who probably isn't one of Uly's few friends, and reasonably terrified of Moon's response.
 
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It's not a one time thing, we can let it lie for now and come back and address the issue at a more prudent time.
Either way, what you don't want to do is keep pressing. It's clear this subject makes her mentally unstable, probably from the intensity of whatever Social / Mental charms and SMA they inflicted on her, so you want to resolve this either in one stroke or let her return to her normal equilibrium.

She is in a flux like right now, she will go back to her false mindset if we dont do it now. Poking her over a longer time will be bad for her mental integrity and trying to do it in one push further into the future will be just that much harder.
 
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