Probably depends on if killing him delays us long enough that he needs to intevene directly to get us out (which would probably lead to a buddy cop movie, though I can't help but feel trading the hot teacher for the grumpy old guy was a bad deal) and onhow spiteful/convinced she needs to stop us at any cost Anys Syn is after we kill Flame.
[Exalted, ?] Most High
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Does Anys know about Odyssial, btw?
I was thinking more that people would be more pissed off and crying for blood if they'd seen an Anathema murder a student right in front of them. And that Zao has to deal with a student having died (to an Anathema) on his watch -- though granted, this is far different from having to deal with Zao killing Flame himself as might have happened, so.
What exactly people would blame him for? That he didn't recognize an Anathema posing as a student, or that he didn't intervene in time to prevent the murder? The same can be said for nearly everyone present.
It's going to be a bit difficult coming out of it with his hide intact, but I think Zao's experienced enough to deal with this problem.
More or less my thoughts as well, though Anys Syn does have enough resources and experience of her own that this is enough ammunition to get rid of him, which is why I'd say it largely depends on how highly she values spite and denying Odyssial a potential ally as opposed to retaining a very good headmaster for the Realm's naval academy.
Heh. Would be funny if they went to all that trouble to make Zao take up the post, only to condemn him after a single year. Perhaps it would even be advantageous for us, assuming we can help him escape death/imprisonment. Weakening the enemy and strengthening our own group at the same time sounds good enough to me, as long as he doesn't stupidly agree to follow the law.
I do have a question for Rihaku. Is the charm you were thinking of to disguise his anima Perfect Mirror? Because if so, it's only Essence 2, and you could easily make an argument that Ulyssian actually qualifies for it if he does Essentially as Planned, since he starts out stronger than a new Solar.
Advancing Essence is mostly a matter of experience in E3. It's how well you can control your supernatural abilities, tied to how much experience you've spent. Given Odyssial's memories, I don't think it's beyond the pale for Ulyssian to have gotten the small distance to E2. Almost by definition that year's experience sounds like E2.
In game terms E2 is only 50 xp from character creation, or 6 favored charms more. It needs to be tied to character defining moment to be raised instantly, but I definitely think this qualifies from several angles; both internally in regards to Odyssial and externally in regards to blocking Flame, and else.
Heck, depending on how much Essentially as Planned gets us you could even make arguments for E3, which is 125 XP.
Or, was it meant to be used in combination with Flashing Ruse Prana for an instant disguise? That would mean E3 is required, which is probably far more of a stretch, but I could see a really good stunt letting you apply Perfect Mirror near instantly.
I wish I had more time before work, I would try my hand at it then, but I'm honestly not sure I'll even have the time to try at all today. Tomorrow probably, but we seem to be updating faster than that.
Anyone want to write a stunt that has Ulyssian seizing his power, comprehending it near instantly, and out of desperation weaving his anima into a new form in an instant.
Edit: Or instead, Ulyssian facing the totality of Odyssial's understanding, and distilling it down into a form he can handle based on his sheer need, eliminating countless choices in a moment in order to choose the optimal path.
... Except for a single moment, his caste mark showed, and Rising Flame, who stood right in front of him, got a very nice view of it. Fortunately, he blocked everyone else's view, but still...
With Perfect Mirror his anima still won't burn things, but I think he could manage to make a custom charm that does similar if need be. I do think this is within his bounds.
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I have a guess for (one of) the reasons that Odyssial actually wanted the merge.
He died, and therefore something managed to beat him despite the totality of his power. Which means he missed something, which means that having the same mind after his reincarnation could chance leaving a blind spot in his psyche. A new perspective would be warranted.
And as a side question that is just me being curious. Back in the first game we got a quote on Odyssial's opinion of Desus; could we see the same for a few other Luminaries? I'd be particularly interesting in seeing his opinion on Thrice Radiant Misho if he existed here, and perhaps Merela given that she was (supposedly) the strongest one on one combatant at the close of the war (Obliterator vs. Field Commander?). Seeing Odyssial's opinion on how she shifted tracks to politics and didn't really maintain that standard would be interesting too. She's obviously suboptimal, but not everyone can be nearly so good as Odyssial...
Advancing Essence is mostly a matter of experience in E3. It's how well you can control your supernatural abilities, tied to how much experience you've spent. Given Odyssial's memories, I don't think it's beyond the pale for Ulyssian to have gotten the small distance to E2. Almost by definition that year's experience sounds like E2.
In game terms E2 is only 50 xp from character creation, or 6 favored charms more. It needs to be tied to character defining moment to be raised instantly, but I definitely think this qualifies from several angles; both internally in regards to Odyssial and externally in regards to blocking Flame, and else.
Heck, depending on how much Essentially as Planned gets us you could even make arguments for E3, which is 125 XP.
Or, was it meant to be used in combination with Flashing Ruse Prana for an instant disguise? That would mean E3 is required, which is probably far more of a stretch, but I could see a really good stunt letting you apply Perfect Mirror near instantly.
I wish I had more time before work, I would try my hand at it then, but I'm honestly not sure I'll even have the time to try at all today. Tomorrow probably, but we seem to be updating faster than that.
Anyone want to write a stunt that has Ulyssian seizing his power, comprehending it near instantly, and out of desperation weaving his anima into a new form in an instant.
Edit: Or instead, Ulyssian facing the totality of Odyssial's understanding, and distilling it down into a form he can handle based on his sheer need, eliminating countless choices in a moment in order to choose the optimal path.
... Except for a single moment, his caste mark showed, and Rising Flame, who stood right in front of him, got a very nice view of it. Fortunately, he blocked everyone else's view, but still...
With Perfect Mirror his anima still won't burn things, but I think he could manage to make a custom charm that does similar if need be. I do think this is within his bounds.
Other less related things:
I have a guess for (one of) the reasons that Odyssial actually wanted the merge.
He died, and therefore something managed to beat him despite the totality of his power. Which means he missed something, which means that having the same mind after his reincarnation could chance leaving a blind spot in his psyche. A new perspective would be warranted.
And as a side question that is just me being curious. Back in the first game we got a quote on Odyssial's opinion of Desus; could we see the same for a few other Luminaries? I'd be particularly interesting in seeing his opinion on Thrice Radiant Misho if he existed here, and perhaps Merela given that she was (supposedly) the strongest one on one combatant at the close of the war (Obliterator vs. Field Commander?). Seeing Odyssial's opinion on how she shifted tracks to politics and didn't really maintain that standard would be interesting too. She's obviously suboptimal, but not everyone can be nearly so good as Odyssial...
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[x] Essentially As Planned
[x] Kill Flame
Garlak has pretty much summed up my position on the Totality option : an adversarial relation between Ody/Ully, enemy within style doesn't appeal to me, and there is no possible universe where I believe that a living Flame is better than a dead one. At least if we're talking about Flame as he has been portrayed in the last quest.
[x] Kill Flame
Garlak has pretty much summed up my position on the Totality option : an adversarial relation between Ody/Ully, enemy within style doesn't appeal to me, and there is no possible universe where I believe that a living Flame is better than a dead one. At least if we're talking about Flame as he has been portrayed in the last quest.
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Obliterator vs Filed Commander is the same assuming that they got the same greatness. It's was just Odyssial way of fighting in the war against the titans.
The distinction of how the two paths fight could be enough to have the title go to Merela initially though.
Especially if Odyssial was far more competent in every other area, given his comprehensive greatness compared to Marela's narrower focus.
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Considering exalting would result in Ulyssian getting access to memories of all potential safe house and resource cache Odyssial had prepared, and way to contact Lea, how hard would it be to just spirit Moon away after murdering Flame?
Or is the immaculate bullshit strong on this one? At which point, this is another "should have picked Nilul" moment
Or is the immaculate bullshit strong on this one? At which point, this is another "should have picked Nilul" moment
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Rihaku said that both in melee and in everything are the same assuming they got equal greatness. They just did their goal in different methods. Besides, we got to be leader of the exalted host due to being field commander.
Both cool quotes, but please stop reflex debating. It's not about how strong Odyssial is, but about how strong he is perceived to be in comparison to Merela, and why she might be able to have a title like "Strongest One on One combatant" at the close of the war when Odyssial doesn't.
If that exists in this continuity, which it may not, but telling me how awesome Odyssial is doesn't really say anything in regards to another pretty damn exceptional Solar in a time when Odyssial wasn't so far ahead of everyone else that he frightened the Unconquered Sun and earned the title Most High.
If that exists in this continuity, which it may not, but telling me how awesome Odyssial is doesn't really say anything in regards to another pretty damn exceptional Solar in a time when Odyssial wasn't so far ahead of everyone else that he frightened the Unconquered Sun and earned the title Most High.
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seriously,we spent the entire charges creating the greatest monster/champion creation had ever seen, and the moment we exalt, the bulk of you scrubs want to just sneak around by choosing suboptimal charmset because you don't think you can kill a goddamn scrublord?
Way to shit on Odyssial's legacy
Way to shit on Odyssial's legacy
You do realize that arguing for multiple choices with engaging and insightful discussion actively makes Ulyssian stronger, right?
There's a selfish aspect inherent in exploring all the options.
Nevermind the fact that that it really helps if we spot something that is missed by the knee jerk response because we actually thought things through even if we didn't think it was the best choice.
Besides no one thinks Ulyssian can't kill Flame, it's the other 100 Exalts including at least one sidereal and Zao you should be worried about, well that and the loss of Uly's assets.
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What assets? He was just a mortal with only a few friends. Fuck, Zao would still be Ulyssian ally and we can get moon back. Her plans goes to shit without Flame, so moon isn't going to be part of the plan. So she be safe with Zao until the sidereal finds someone else.
We just exalted as a Solar. We NEED to do something awesome. That is killing Flame and escaping.
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Can someone please summarize for me why exactly we want Flame dead? I'm honestly not entirely certain if that is the right thing to do.
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He attempted to kill Moon for being Ulyssian friend/girlfriend.
I think the biggest problem with Disguise is that not all of us have access to 3e, so we don't really know what charms Uly can use to get out of the situation. I want to vote for disguise, but without a suitable plan, I cannot really do so.
As for Flame, I think that it might be better to let him live. If we instantly run away, it might be possible for Zao to pretend that he could not react in time, but if we delay the time we need to spend to kill him in the Arena would make it obvious that Zao is not trying to kill us.
As for Flame, I think that it might be better to let him live. If we instantly run away, it might be possible for Zao to pretend that he could not react in time, but if we delay the time we need to spend to kill him in the Arena would make it obvious that Zao is not trying to kill us.
A mix of him just trying to kill Uly´s maybe-maybe-not-girlfriend and him being the main pawn in a mad Sid scheme that ends with said girlfriend drugged into a coma, chained to a bed and raped repeatedly to spawn an army. This with over 80% of miscarriage rate which they can find out within a month, abort the fetus and repeat the circle.
He is also utterly mad and have had said sid whispering in his ear telling him he is the chosen of the dragons and whatnot and that this setup is his destiny.
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Driven by Apathy
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Did he? OOC we know his puppetmasters certainly don't want him to kill her. He may simply have misjudged the power of his attack, being a reckless fool and all.