Well there is the stunt I wrote a few minutes ago This one right here.
I thought it seemed viable, there's a few charms that do similar things already out there so I don't see why it wouldn't work.
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Well there is the stunt I wrote a few minutes ago This one right here.
I thought it seemed viable, there's a few charms that do similar things already out there so I don't see why it wouldn't work.
Oh, I understand why it worked (iirc they explained that in the same section where they explained that it happened), I just find it funny that the social dynamics of Heaven are such that everyone can know who caused the Usurpation and because there's no solid proof it's not public.
Until a good stunt comes up you are literally voting to kill Ulyssian.
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The relevant disguise charms are mostly unchanged from 2e, save that they appear to be harder to pierce. They also re-included the bizarrely missing instant disguise charm. Perfect Mirror requires E2, putting it out of the reach of the average Solar who Exalts in the middle of an coliseum full of Dragon-Blooded, but that shouldn't be an obstacle for the currently leading choice.
The fundamental integrity of the disguise should be pretty good, at least versus the Dragon-Blooded, though Ulyssian's anima, while burning hot, won't actually burn things without specialized charms or an artifact or something. Zao could probably help here.
The major problem is dealing with the giant galloping horses that will at least briefly appear. DBs don't have anima displays. I would suggest stunting it as a particularly auspicious Exaltation, with five flaming(or one of each element?) horses galloping towards Ulyssian before rapidly dissolving into featureless flames.
Yeah, I'm currently reviewing the Stealth and Larceny charms. Something to note: You can only take Caste skills as Supernal.
Do you think it would be safe to assume we would have E2, or E3?
Do you think it would be safe to assume we would have E2, or E3?
Well, I don't think we can make out Anima melt things and I'm not sure we'll have intimate knowledge of Essence mechanics to choose its targets,given that we have mortal!Odyssian's memories plus the few snippets we read. Also, your stunt was basically the default vote choice (try to disguise your anima) with some implausible effects added on.
meianmaru
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Orm has convinced me.
[X] Essentially As Planned
[X] Kill Flame
While I would Disguise is tempting, we would be overly constrained in any of our potential actions even if we somehow succeeded in it, making any attempts to strengthen ourself and our excecute our plans ...sub-optimal. Better to cut the ties to our friends temporarily (and kill Flame to prevent that threat from hanging over them), then return stronger and possibly hidden from the eyes of the Realm (and Sids).
Also, depending our character configuration, keeping in contact with Zao could be possible even if we run away, especially if we get something like Sorcery. This might allow us to keep interacting with the Seacrown -setting, maybe by keeping working with Zao, with him pointing out potential threats to the Creation, Uly/Ody and his acquaintances. Or something to that direction.
On homebrew Evocations, nothing immediately pops into my mind, but I might get something hashed together later.
[X] Essentially As Planned
[X] Kill Flame
While I would Disguise is tempting, we would be overly constrained in any of our potential actions even if we somehow succeeded in it, making any attempts to strengthen ourself and our excecute our plans ...sub-optimal. Better to cut the ties to our friends temporarily (and kill Flame to prevent that threat from hanging over them), then return stronger and possibly hidden from the eyes of the Realm (and Sids).
Also, depending our character configuration, keeping in contact with Zao could be possible even if we run away, especially if we get something like Sorcery. This might allow us to keep interacting with the Seacrown -setting, maybe by keeping working with Zao, with him pointing out potential threats to the Creation, Uly/Ody and his acquaintances. Or something to that direction.
On homebrew Evocations, nothing immediately pops into my mind, but I might get something hashed together later.
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You may have missed, but there are other players talking about charms and what bits need to be stunted away. Such a thing is infact predictable, even when typing from a controller limits my ability to contribute to planning such things, as the time it takes to post is way too fucking long and frustrating. For example, I started replying to you within' a couple minutes of your post, and haven't had to really think about what this post would contain, though like always I probably spent entirely too long rephrasing things ro be a bit less of a pompous ass(though frustration will surely mitigate that). Now, compare the post times, and notice how short this post is.
Admittedly it relies on 'Essentially as Planned' winning thus granting a part of Odyssial's knowledge to make use of his anima to to throw out some effects like a terrestrial exalt, there's plenty of charms that do similar things like Flashing Sunspot Attack, Corona of Radiance and Sun-Suffusing Slag so it's not exactly implausible.
And yes it's the default disguise choice with a stunt added on.
Edit: Stunts are meant to be awesome, spontaneously creating a charms moments after Exaltion using your past life's memories and then instinctively not harming the person you love despite irradiating everything else with solar fire is pretty cool.
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The only charm that could fake an anima doesn't fake any of the effects (burning, etc.) and of the charms you mentioned only one turned up when I control-F'd the 3E pdf, and Corona of Radiance suffuses your hand and blade with Solar energy which probably isn't useful for pretending not to be a Solar.
If we kill Flame right now then he wins because he's taking away Moon. He's also ruining the assets that come from our house and the other colleagues, friends and mentors we have access to at the academy.
Right now we should fake a Terrestrial Exaltation and then kill Flame later on, there'll be plenty of opportunities to do so. Maybe he gets lost at sea or oops dies in a spar or just gets murdered by mysterious assassins in the night.
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Those were 2E charms, don't actually have the 3E pdf but it's not a huge stretch of the imagination to believe Solars can perform similar things in the new edition as they could in the previous one.
Right now we should fake a Terrestrial Exaltation and then kill Flame later on, there'll be plenty of opportunities to do so. Maybe he gets lost at sea or oops dies in a spar or just gets murdered by mysterious assassins in the night.
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Those were 2E charms, don't actually have the 3E pdf but it's not a huge stretch of the imagination to believe Solars can perform similar things in the new edition as they could in the previous one.
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[X] Essentially As Planned
[X] Kill Flame
[X] Kill Flame
Well if we don't kill Flame now he wins because he rapes Moon for the rest of her life (or until we rescue her), cheerfully throwing away the miscarriages. If we do kill Flame now we can just have Zao (you may have heard of him) talk to her about how we aren't an irredeemable god-monster.
Or we could run away and kill Flame later. The same effect, less chance of Ivory asking "Can you flare your anima?" and noticing that this Fire Aspect can't actually burn things, or a professor trying to teach us something which we can't and won't learn because we aren't Dragonblooded. Maybe Mountain Hero will try to make a Brotherhood with us; "Sorry, Hero, but we can't do that. Why? I can't say."
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After rereading the posts from the previous quests to remember what kind of situation we're in I'm even more on board with killing Flame. Not to mention even if we succeed with disguise this choice apparently at least partly determines what abilities we start with, given that Rihaku said we might not be able to beat Flame if we go with Disguise because we'll be weaker.
[X] Essentially As Planned
Well, this one is a no-brainer. I was tempted by Identity Crisis due to lower XP cost, but that's just the power-gamer in me talking. Narratively, EAP is far more preferable for me.
[X] Kill Flame
Was wavering between Escape and Kill Flame, but Orm made some good points. Yes, we can run away and kill him later, but there are several factors to consider.
One: Resolute Flame is our enemy, now and forever. His sister will probably be sad if we kill him, but that's the price we have to pay for removing this threat.
...Aside from becoming the target of Anys Syn's burning hate, that is.
And two: how would this look from the outside? Mortal jumps into the arena to save his friend/crush/lover, impossibly deflects an attack, Exalts, being outed as an Anathema, and...
Escapes? Why this sudden change in priorities? If he wanted to survive, why intervene in the first place?
Did Exalting make survival a higher priority goal all of a sudden? Makes a guy wonder what could change perspective like that. It could be fairly conclusive proof that he is truly an Anathema, a demon possessing Ulyssian.
So yeah, no matter how much it pains me to do it in such a direct way, we'll have to bite the bullet and Kill Flame.
Well, this one is a no-brainer. I was tempted by Identity Crisis due to lower XP cost, but that's just the power-gamer in me talking. Narratively, EAP is far more preferable for me.
[X] Kill Flame
Was wavering between Escape and Kill Flame, but Orm made some good points. Yes, we can run away and kill him later, but there are several factors to consider.
One: Resolute Flame is our enemy, now and forever. His sister will probably be sad if we kill him, but that's the price we have to pay for removing this threat.
...Aside from becoming the target of Anys Syn's burning hate, that is.
And two: how would this look from the outside? Mortal jumps into the arena to save his friend/crush/lover, impossibly deflects an attack, Exalts, being outed as an Anathema, and...
Escapes? Why this sudden change in priorities? If he wanted to survive, why intervene in the first place?
Did Exalting make survival a higher priority goal all of a sudden? Makes a guy wonder what could change perspective like that. It could be fairly conclusive proof that he is truly an Anathema, a demon possessing Ulyssian.
So yeah, no matter how much it pains me to do it in such a direct way, we'll have to bite the bullet and Kill Flame.
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If we pick disguise then we'll have Solar Ulyssian, Master Zao and Moon herself around to prevent Moon being raped. The choice is not do we let Moon get hurt it's do we let all our assets be thrown out the window. Flame is going to be killed by us at some point regardless of what we do right now the real question is do we sabotage our reputation (seconds after becoming a Solar we murder a powerful Terrestrial Exalt, ruin a Sidereal's plans and run away probably killing others in our escape not to mention setting the Wild Hunt after us), lose our name and house assets, lose the colleagues we made in the Academy (admittedly this is mostly just Hero and Saery) and face the potential loss of Zao (who might want to cover his ass rather than help Uly) and Moon (who has a life where she is and also requires Zao to facilitate any further relationship).
Having both Zao and Solar Ulyssian around is much less likely to get Moon taken and placed into a coma then having Ulyssian leave and come back later for vengeance by which time Moon might have already been disappeared and Zao might be dead. Also considering there's already another Solar Exalt hanging around it's obvious that yes it is possible to disguise yourself as a Dragonblood in the academy. Escape right now is absolutely unacceptable and killing is possible but causes us to lose most if not all the assets we made as a mortal.
Edit: Essentially I think if you're so willing to throw away Ulyssian's life before he exalted why not take the Totality choice instead of Essentially as Planned. That way at least you get an XP boost for doing it.
Edit: almost forgot about Saery oops
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"No matter how well you roll, however, the circumstances and effects surrounding your Exaltation will be extremely suspicious, and Zao will be hard-pressed to sell the Immaculates on the idea that your Blessing of the Dragons was genuine, rather than some Anathema trick. This will allow you to more-or-less maintain your position here in the Academy and in Dynastic society, relatively speaking. Expect to face, at bare minimum, extremely intensive scrutiny."
So no matter what our reputation is already lower than it is as a mortal presuming to interrupt a duel between Dragonblooded (or indeed, attend a Dragonblooded school). I wonder what form extensive scrutiny from a Bronze Faction Sidereal would take. Perhaps she might have some way of testing if Uly is a Dragonblood.
Do you see Ulyssian being able to prevent Anys, Ivory and Flame from acting without revealing himself? If you are willing to have Uly reveal himself to save Moon, why not do it now when we actually have a chance of success, as opposed to sacrificing our charms and combat potential to try and likely fail ("Hey Uly, practise this Dragonblooded technique!") to disguise ourselves and then subsequently fail to protect Moon because of our combat deficits.
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On another note (I was perusing the Charms chapter), Uly's going to have a great time with Excellencies. He's pretty much a peak human, and you get free Excellencies in all Caste and Favored abilities, plus any you take Charms for.
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Can you explain that in terms to someone who knows jack shit on exalted?
what is excellencies?
Avoiding Scrutiny is at least possible, it wouldn't be difficult to believe that after Exalting that Ulyssian would decide to celebrate by eloping with Moon or something. On the other hand Killing Flame right now is the end of all the assets Ulyssian has built up until now and if we're willing to throw away everything Ulyssian has why not just go with the Totality option.
The sidereals will have to act in secret as much as Uly will have to, ultimately if they try to bring force down on him there's a good chance it will be somewhere Ulyssian can choose the outcome of the battle or at least prevent his Solar nature getting out (after all that's what the disguise option is for). Besides if we take Moon elsewhere then that's that solved after all if they can't get to Moon their plan is stalled and we'll have to advantage since all we have to do is kill Flame where as they have to keep both Moon and Flame alive.
@Usernames An excellency makes you excellent at an ability by spending motes (mana points)