[Exalted, ?] Most High
- Thread starter Rihaku
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Guile
Having a really great time right now
A boot, stamping upon the face-that-is-not-a-face of a primordial, forever.
- Location
- N36°3.38472, W112°8.1894
[X] Escape
No reason to start the quest with hotblooded murder. While it's unlikely anything major will come from Flame's actions, exalting into anathema and immediately, you know, proving his religion as somewhat justified is pretty meh. Not to mention future butterflies that come about as a result of the act - we just murdered someone who has been groomed as a great hero of the realm (even if he is a dick, everyones a dick - this is Exalted). This will likely have larger implications than we'd like in the future.
The downside to escape over disguise is obviously the loss of social links/backgrounds that we'd cultivated, but with them either disliking us or nearly dead I'm a lot more ok with that. It's not like its impossible for us to come back later.
Upside is our starting build will likely be better, as we're not attempting to stick around the academy (dumping points into stealth and larceny for disguises) to..do whatever it is people want to do there. We just Exalted with the memories of a man with a plan, best to come to terms with that and get on it. There's a whole big world out there and tons to do, and it will be easier to visit later with a modest application of Flawlessly Impenetrable Disguise/Perfect Mirror. No reason to hurt ourselves out the gate by taking those (and more since we very obviously just exalted and its hard to fake not being solar), when we can come back later (under less scrutiny, and when relevant parties are in good health). I'm a lot more interested in what we do next, rather than sticking around a place which doesn't serve any immediate future purpose.
Our leaving also probably helps out Zao, while he expected the Exaltation, he can play off surprise and if he doesn't help us immediately it leaves him in power for later.
No reason to start the quest with hotblooded murder. While it's unlikely anything major will come from Flame's actions, exalting into anathema and immediately, you know, proving his religion as somewhat justified is pretty meh. Not to mention future butterflies that come about as a result of the act - we just murdered someone who has been groomed as a great hero of the realm (even if he is a dick, everyones a dick - this is Exalted). This will likely have larger implications than we'd like in the future.
The downside to escape over disguise is obviously the loss of social links/backgrounds that we'd cultivated, but with them either disliking us or nearly dead I'm a lot more ok with that. It's not like its impossible for us to come back later.
Upside is our starting build will likely be better, as we're not attempting to stick around the academy (dumping points into stealth and larceny for disguises) to..do whatever it is people want to do there. We just Exalted with the memories of a man with a plan, best to come to terms with that and get on it. There's a whole big world out there and tons to do, and it will be easier to visit later with a modest application of Flawlessly Impenetrable Disguise/Perfect Mirror. No reason to hurt ourselves out the gate by taking those (and more since we very obviously just exalted and its hard to fake not being solar), when we can come back later (under less scrutiny, and when relevant parties are in good health). I'm a lot more interested in what we do next, rather than sticking around a place which doesn't serve any immediate future purpose.
Our leaving also probably helps out Zao, while he expected the Exaltation, he can play off surprise and if he doesn't help us immediately it leaves him in power for later.
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- Location
- The savanna.
Except that way we give him time to foment dissent and sow misinformation about us. If we go disguise, then we might not actually be strong enough to kill him yet. DB strength is in numbers. Given enough time, we could take disguise and take out Flame, sure... but he has supporters who'll listen.
Eh, we'll call that Backup Plan Bear / He's A Giant Chicken I Tell You.
Guile
Having a really great time right now
Pretty sure Rihaku said that Essentially As Planned (you know, the one with 20 more votes than the others) would stomp Flame, if that's important to you.
- Location
- The savanna.
He also said this:
So the idea that we can disguise ourselves and still totally get the benefit of the other options is not the case. Generally speaking, when it looks like one vote is grossly superior to the other options and likely to easily allow you to do what the others are aimed at, you're misinterpreting something.
Anyway, if Essentially wins, we can still totally kill Flame and make our escape.
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...what does that have to do with what you just quoted. It's completely irrelevant to that. It's like me walking into a clinic and saying the sky is blue. Sure it's true but it's also not relevant.
So what he has supporters? It's been proven that we are super sneaky and can gain access to dragon blooded bedrooms as a mortal with all the limitations of one. Now we don't have those limits, this should be as simple as switching 3 of his med to create a poison in his bloodstream or something equally bullshit. Remember we always find a way. So stop underestimating the character, greatness 10 hello?
- Location
- The savanna.
Odyssial had greatness 10. Odyssian (or whatever the fuck you want to call him) is newly Exalted, even if he does get a bunch of frontloaded charms and will be busy with scrutiny. You seriously think that Flame dying after accusing of us being Anathema isn't going to blow the hell out of our cover? He's gonna be crowing it from the rooftops. We won't be able to touch him. Also, Syn's around. She won't be fooled by our little charade. You think she isn't gonna protect him? Stop underestimating the First Age Sidereal who's survived the Wracking.
Face it. Either Flame dies now, or he lives to became a pain in the ass. And with his bloody bloodline and Sid support, he will become a pain in the ass, make no mistake. Don't underestimate Resolute Flame.
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Wow thanks I needed that laugh. few... yeah thanks for that. Engineering someone's death and remaining blameless, what was our last title? Oh yeah, we will find a way... that's kind of our theme you know?
Anyways just drop this section of your argument, your wrong and it's only going to be a waste of time on your part. Your basically ignoring our characters greatest claim to fame here. That is not doing you any favors.
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- Location
- The savanna.
That's nice. I'm sure faith in our inevitable ability to prevail with no actual tactics and underestimating enemies with literally thousands of years of experience will serve us well in our future endeavors.
You mean like we have? Or are you saying that Flame has thousands of years of experience now? Your arguments just keep on getting sillier and sillier. I'm going to bed now anyways night.
- Location
- N36°3.38472, W112°8.1894
I'd like to preface this by saying I'm against killing him at all.
That said we favor larceny and stealth, which has such abilities as "open locked doors" and "generate a SEP field so people ignore you." If everyone else really is in favor of killing him, there's an easy way to either gank him in his sleep, or set up a poison or something that relies on abilities that canon solars can grab pretty easily at chargen.
Killing him in an obvious way can only cause more trouble for us later. There's no reason to out ourselves as someone who stabs first, asks questions later, when we can be more. Better to social-fu him to your side than even the above, imo.
That said we favor larceny and stealth, which has such abilities as "open locked doors" and "generate a SEP field so people ignore you." If everyone else really is in favor of killing him, there's an easy way to either gank him in his sleep, or set up a poison or something that relies on abilities that canon solars can grab pretty easily at chargen.
Killing him in an obvious way can only cause more trouble for us later. There's no reason to out ourselves as someone who stabs first, asks questions later, when we can be more. Better to social-fu him to your side than even the above, imo.
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[X] Essentially as Planned
[X] Escape
Even if Disguise wasn't likely to fail, I don't like how it feels as an option. Kill Flame seems to be Escape but killing Flame first; I figure it would be more convenient to kill Flame later.
[X] Escape
Even if Disguise wasn't likely to fail, I don't like how it feels as an option. Kill Flame seems to be Escape but killing Flame first; I figure it would be more convenient to kill Flame later.
Sadly the Homebrew-writing book isn't coming out for a while.
He's referring to Anys Syn, the Bronze Faction Sidereal who's backing Flame. So is Ivory, come to think of it, although she's a bit conflicted at this point in canon.
- Location
- The savanna.
First of all, we just reincarnated, so we do not have thousands of years of experience. And secondly, Anys fucking Syn. Did you even read the quest?
[X] escape
I don't respect Flame anywhere near enough to spend anymore time dealing with than absolutely necessary. And disguise is a big gamble for a relatively small payoff. Let's just go.
I don't respect Flame anywhere near enough to spend anymore time dealing with than absolutely necessary. And disguise is a big gamble for a relatively small payoff. Let's just go.
- Location
- N36°3.38472, W112°8.1894
Killing her chosen hero is a good way to earn an intimacy of hate (granted reincarnating into who we have is a good way to get one of fear, too). Better to avoid that and attempt to turn them to our cause, rather than create additional, unnecessary, enemies.
[X] Essentially as Planned
[X] Escape
[X] Escape
[X] Escape
As much as I want to kill Flame now, this lessens our chance for escape and Anys will get us arrested. We don't have time for that nonsense.
As said before this could give Zao a chance to pretend he didn't expect this as thus not diminish his influence for helping an Anathema.
Plus this means Any is less likely to kill Zao or fuck with Moon for fear of what we'll do to her. We were already responsible for his death once so we should do our best to prevent this time.
Disguise would need a bitching stunt for me to change.
As much as I want to kill Flame now, this lessens our chance for escape and Anys will get us arrested. We don't have time for that nonsense.
As said before this could give Zao a chance to pretend he didn't expect this as thus not diminish his influence for helping an Anathema.
Plus this means Any is less likely to kill Zao or fuck with Moon for fear of what we'll do to her. We were already responsible for his death once so we should do our best to prevent this time.
Disguise would need a bitching stunt for me to change.
- Location
- The savanna.
Flame is our enemy anyway, and will likely need to die at some point or another if we ever want to succeed, and Syn is committed to empowering him and the Immaculate agenda. You can't make an ally out them, I'm sorry to say. Her plan, for the record, involves turning Moon into Flame's brood mare to create a dynasty, which requires mind control and/or kidnapping. She's the one who killed Zao last time around.
They don't arrest Anathema, they kill them; arrested would be what happens with the disguise option.
Anyway, I think the general plan for killing Flame is to seize the opportunity presented now, kill him, and then make our escape. This is less difficult than disguising ourselves, but moderately more risky than just running. Still, I think the plan has merit as a middle ground between 'holy shit you need a three dot stunt to have a chance at this' and 'basically guaranteed success'. It is also somewhat unsatisfying to, upon Exalting while defending our dearest friend from our sworn enemy, immediately abandon the entire situation without even removing the threat. It would be like Odyssial sparing Larsyifex just because killing him is moderately more risky than escaping. I'd go so far as to call it cowardly, which Ulyssian is manifestly not. He leapt in front of Flame's attack accepting that he might die and acknowledging that cost was acceptable if it could save Moon's life. Now that we've Exalted, has our priority structure radically changed? I don't think so. We should follow through on the action we started.
[X] Kill Flame
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[X] Disguise
I actively dislike Escape, as it will remove a great deal of interesting characters from the quest for quite sometime.
I actively dislike Escape, as it will remove a great deal of interesting characters from the quest for quite sometime.