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Even Further Beyond [Complete]
- Thread starter Rihaku
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Less trust and more help, as I suspect our dying would do bad things to them.
That said, does Extrusion basically make a stand? It does, doesn't it? Just imagine us going all [The World] on Zang Kong.
Rihaku
The Internet
If a clockmaker dies, do his clocks go wit him?
King doens't have Truespell Vault, their options would have been empty vaults suitable for transporting one of this world's empires.
- Location
- Australia
OK - some of my first thoughts.
Both proper vaults are Dangerous, not just to us directly but indirectly.
Jotunheim seems to have a mystery box penalty if we do not clear it out regularly. That being said, if we can have Habitability that effects only monsters, I wonder when we go EFB if we can add 3-4 points that just effect the inhabitants. They would slowly become stuuuupidly powerful
Elysium's main problem is if we scale too fast. If we grow faster than they can manage to improve their harvesting, the city could quite conceivably be destroyed. In return, if we can help them scale fast enough we can let others harvest for us and just politic to get things for free - heck, can we get our dad to take a vacation there?
Extrusion is dangerous for different reasons - we do not seem to have total control over it. I really really hope that if it wins, it wins hand in hand With Great Power, because suddenly the single creature's opinion really matters.
Next, if we go Elysium, we probably can not use it as a place to lure the heroine as effectively. Doing so seems like it would have a high chance of getting the city destroyed. However, it would cut her off from fate totaly and utterly.
Jotunheim's inhabitants already hide from great danger and the world is much bigger, and thus it would be safer to fight. The shielding is not total, but that probably means it is easier to bait her in and/or force the fates to pay out the nose to protect her.
Both proper vaults are Dangerous, not just to us directly but indirectly.
Jotunheim seems to have a mystery box penalty if we do not clear it out regularly. That being said, if we can have Habitability that effects only monsters, I wonder when we go EFB if we can add 3-4 points that just effect the inhabitants. They would slowly become stuuuupidly powerful
Elysium's main problem is if we scale too fast. If we grow faster than they can manage to improve their harvesting, the city could quite conceivably be destroyed. In return, if we can help them scale fast enough we can let others harvest for us and just politic to get things for free - heck, can we get our dad to take a vacation there?
Extrusion is dangerous for different reasons - we do not seem to have total control over it. I really really hope that if it wins, it wins hand in hand With Great Power, because suddenly the single creature's opinion really matters.
Next, if we go Elysium, we probably can not use it as a place to lure the heroine as effectively. Doing so seems like it would have a high chance of getting the city destroyed. However, it would cut her off from fate totaly and utterly.
Jotunheim's inhabitants already hide from great danger and the world is much bigger, and thus it would be safer to fight. The shielding is not total, but that probably means it is easier to bait her in and/or force the fates to pay out the nose to protect her.
Fair. Well, in that case we still have our Ring, and thus everyone with Diagram magic will at least somewhat respect us.
Rihaku
The Internet
It's more like a zanpaktou combined with a Reality Marble.
There's Shikai, Bankai, and Beyond Bankai!
I picked Immortal because I disliked the whole "civilization in my soul"....
Why would you think it'd be located in your soul? That's a bit presumptuous! It's located within the multiverse like any other plane.
Why bother luring her? Just toss her inside!
Ultramandalore
Errant Quester
- Location
- just south of Parts Unknown
[X] The Extrusion [Heterodox]
[X] With Great Power...
since the regular Titanic Extrusion manifests a weapon from your soul and this does that plus creates another existence within your soul, doesn't that mean that this option is basically creating a Zanpakuto? if so then upgrading to Incarnation might have the same sort of effecrt as learning bankai.
Edit: ninja'd by the QM
[X] With Great Power...
since the regular Titanic Extrusion manifests a weapon from your soul and this does that plus creates another existence within your soul, doesn't that mean that this option is basically creating a Zanpakuto? if so then upgrading to Incarnation might have the same sort of effecrt as learning bankai.
Edit: ninja'd by the QM
- Location
- Australia
Ahh, for some reason I thought we would need a significant Access score to do shenanigans like that. Thanks for the info
- Location
- The willow crowned hill
- Pronouns
- She/They
[X] With Great Power...
No matter which option wins, I'd rather we didn't go full asshole on the awesome magitech civ/titanicSTANDO zanpaktou
No matter which option wins, I'd rather we didn't go full asshole on the awesome magitech civ/titanic
Huh. Does this mean with True Open the Way, we could unlearn the vault spell, then relearn the Truthed Vault to make new worlds over and over?
New worlds we can visit, that is.
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Rihaku
The Internet
Ahh, for some reason I thought we would need a significant Access score to do shenanigans like that. Thanks for the info
You would, if she were anywhere remotely near your power level. Access 2 does mean you can only enter/exit the realm once per day though. So pick your spots carefully.
It's not necessarily assholish to leave them to their own devices. Elysium doesn't even really want your help. The inhabitants of Jotunheim don't even know you exist and would be happy enough if you just killed the Doom-Beasts, which you were going to do anyway.
It's almost like a Free Beyond Point!
Aabcehmu
Confusion as a Natural State of Being
- Location
- Chicago, IL
- Pronouns
- Any/All
We get a Magic Sword that scales with us.
Rihaku
The Internet
You don't know, you'd have to try it. Would require disassembling a lot of what you've built and you're not sure how it would work. You might have to learn a new Truespell for each verse, and that Truespell might not be your Liminal Branch so you might have to spend more BP to FB it. And you'd definitely have to forge a new Artifact, which runs into Artifact replicability problems.
Shard
One and Many
- Location
- Malaysia
What would happen if we Un-Truespelled the Vault?
Can we True Open The Way into our realm?
Duquette7
I am Fire, and I am Rain
One thing to note, we have to redo stage 7, then hit stage 8, that's between 41, and 82 months at present multipliers with the Vault, or 3.1/2 to 7 years.
Sigh, as interesting as the extrusion is, not sure it's worth the loss of that multiplier, and frankly the difference between a world of souls inside you, and a Zanpakuto is semantics as far as my morality goes.
At least both of these options don't have them worshiping us, that would be to much.
If Joutonhime was uninhabited, like I thought it was supposed to be darn it, that would be the obvious choice, twice as good as the City, but it's not.
I don't think I can condemn billions to that hell, it's just not in me.
So, City, or Zanpakuto?
Have to Take responsibility if Extrusion wins, not so sure if City does, making them more self reliant is not a bad thing, we have less influence, but they have a better life in return, unless that cripples their ability to scale with the Horrors, hard vote this.
Sigh, as interesting as the extrusion is, not sure it's worth the loss of that multiplier, and frankly the difference between a world of souls inside you, and a Zanpakuto is semantics as far as my morality goes.
At least both of these options don't have them worshiping us, that would be to much.
If Joutonhime was uninhabited, like I thought it was supposed to be darn it, that would be the obvious choice, twice as good as the City, but it's not.
I don't think I can condemn billions to that hell, it's just not in me.
So, City, or Zanpakuto?
Have to Take responsibility if Extrusion wins, not so sure if City does, making them more self reliant is not a bad thing, we have less influence, but they have a better life in return, unless that cripples their ability to scale with the Horrors, hard vote this.
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Ultramandalore
Errant Quester
- Location
- just south of Parts Unknown
also note that the magic sword has a personality/soul so the vote on how Nameless regards his creation will matter.
- Location
- Australia
Well... I have a new plan.
If we get a Vault rather than Extrusion, Immediately find heroine and throw her into it, then kill her.
Obviously that only works if we think we can outscale Kong without her.
Warning: Do not put heroine into Vault and leave her there alive. It is specifically designed to massively speed power growth after all, and I bet she could take great advantage of that.
How many stages would each level of Extrusion be worth? How much utility could we expect from them?