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Reincarnation to give her Immortality, and then two Orbs for other stuff to give her a decently synergetic and steady growth rate.

That would do it. She doesn't hit meteoric invincible spiralling upwards unless we took Full Bloom after all.

EDIT: Except that doesn't allow for "Omni-disciplinary genius" unless Reincarnation is particularly cheesy.
 
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To follow on my color wheel theory, Orange is complimented by Blues and Greens. What if she's the goddess associated with one of the Signs? Or all of them? Magic and Astrology is a common portfolio for a goddess in fantasy settings, both are often seen as "feminine" disciplines.

We need a way to make sure our Sign can't be inverted or used to bind us.
 
Wait. Hang on a sec.

*Your opponent was already a reincarnated goddess and omni-disciplinary genius with incredible good fortune

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He...

He just straight up told us what her build was.

The only thing we don't know is what warrants the "Incredible good fortune". The only power that interacts with "Luck" is Young Master and The Scales though. But she could afford either of these if we go with "Reincarnation" being a cheat code for her in particular due to the nature of her prior life.
 
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Cultivator Advancement Reference + Consolidation
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    • Cultivator Advancement Chart

    The following chart lists each Cultivation stage and the age at which a rare genius of the Four Clans would be "expected" to reach it. Note that the Four Clans are more powerful than the Seven Sects, which are themselves enormously richer and more influential than backwater Clans and Sects. Someone who consistently hit these milestones would be considered on-track for a future Patriarch / Matriarch position.

    Peak of Ego Barrier - 15 years of age
    Peak of Organ Refinement - 17 years of age (Before 35 years is notable)
    Peak of Soul Chrysalis - 70 years of age (Before 200 years is notable)
    Peak of Dao Cleaving - 210 years of age (Before 700 years is notable)
    Peak of Reality Forming - 450 years of age (Before 1500 years is notable)
    Peak of Grand Solipsism - 1000 years of age (Reaching this point at all is notable even for the highly talented)
    Titanic Ascension - Not enough data, youngest ever was 230 years of age

    On to the vote:

    [ ] A Stable Genius - This is the popular option combo of [A Strong Foundation, A Spoiled Brat, A Total Bookworm, Grandfather]. An efficient and option-maximizing choice that uses Spoiled Brat to augment two other Foci. Long-term, this builds a solid foundation with your Grandfather's Cultivation-improving methods impressed upon you from a young age. Your Diagram Sorcery skills will be significant, a noteworthy complement to your power. Depending on your area of focus, it may already offer impressive utility or combat enhancements.

    *Aside from being Spoiled, a solid build with no weaknesses
    *Remember, as long as you can contact him, Grandpa can bail you out once against virtually any foe. This is an option worth nearly .7 orbs for free!
    *It's not flashy, but it is effective at setting you up for future success. Why gamble?
    *Value Town

    [ ] Just As Planned     - This is a synthesis of various Diagram-focused combos designed to absolutely maximize your proficiency with Diagram Magic. [A Spoiled Brat, A Total Bookworm, Father, Lich Unlock]. A vote combo focused comprehensively on strengthening the mind and putting everything else off for now. Of the available plans, this is the most likely to achieve functional chronomancy before the age of 18 - though it is risky, and may entail enormous costs. Still, if you want time dilation or other spectacularly unfair Diagram-Cultivation interactions as fast as possible, it is worth considering. In addition, your father's teachings combined with Total Bookworm will make you a versatile problem solver, if (presently) a bit subpar on the actual execution.

    *Retains the Spoiled +1 choice, allowing you to take the Lich Mentor for "free next update"
    *Learn your father's ways to spin every situation to his advantage and pretend it was Just As Planned
    *Kick ass at board games
    *No Cultivation, only intellectual development
    *Still Spoiled

    [ ] BASK In My Glory, Mongrels!     - This option avoids the Spoiled Passion while near-maximizing Cultivation gains. It is similar to various Cultivation-maximizing combos without taking an overly dangerous combination of Passions at this early stage of development. Your character will do all he can to bring glory to the clan, Cultivating at frenetic speeds and glad-handing to cement the accrued influence. Expect to be a thought leader for the coming generation. A Lackey or two is virtually guaranteed, and many powerful families will compete aggressively for a betrothal. [A Strong Foundation, A Blazing Sun, Social Butterfly, Grandfather]

    *Reveal your Thrice-Great nature. Halfway through the Soul Chrysalis stage at the age of 10, able to unman armies of lessers
    *You will actually have some experience with Diagram Magic and Artifice (A Blazing Sun), though only as pertains to Cultivation
    *You will be respected and feared, with all that entails. It will go to your head.
    *Definitively prove your value to the Clan and reinforce your immediate family's influence within it
    *Everyone will think your father somehow arranged this
     
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    • Huh. I think we might be using a slightly wrong track for how we're thinking about this.

    We shouldn't think in terms of what she had to pay, but rather how much what she has is worth to the gods. Since we know she has some flavor of Young Master and reincarnation, she might not have anything else because those were worth three orbs and we were only given three.

    I think it's reasonable to assume those are the only things she has by default.

    The trick is that her reincarnation probably gives her Thrice Great*, or some other combo that's worth 3-4 orbs. To keep the appearance of balance, she will still gain that power slowly until she reaches 18*, or suddenly when she hits that point. Compared to us where reincarnation was probably a trap.


    *Thrice Great is in all honesty probably what she gets out of reincarnation. It fits really well with her being an "Omnidisciplinary genius".
     
    [X] A Stable Genius

    If good arguments for it come to light, i could be convinced to switch to Just As Planned
     
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    I just do this for fun, really.

    [] Plan Insufferable Prick
    [ ] A Strong Foundation
    [ ] A Blazing Sun
    [ ] A Spoiled Brat
    [ ] Father, Lord of Vermin
    [ ] +1 additional choice for this vote

    Pros:
    + Great at cultivating
    + Great at scheming
    + + + Don't have to bother with a supporting cast because no one can stand your smug face.
    Cons:
    - - Rihaku literally cannot stand to write him.
    - - - Resembles a normal Xianxia protagonist.

    [] Plan Happy Family
    [ ] A Social Butterfly
    [ ] Mother, Violet Reaper
    [ ] Father, Lord of Vermin
    [ ] +1 choice, stockpiled

    Pros:
    + Blissful childhood
    + Friendship guaranteed
    + + + Saves a choice for future arguments
    Cons:
    - - - No sad backstory means no phenomenal cosmic power. This is law.
    - - Rihaku has to write adorable family scenes, which bleed his player base dry.

    [] Plan Isekai
    [ ] A Spoiled Brat
    [ ] A Total Bookworm
    [ ] Father, Lord of Vermin
    [ ] Scenario Unlock - Focus: An Object of Power

    Pros:
    + + Be a huge nerd, spend time obsessed with fantasy and games.
    + + + Literally trip over a powerful artifact, get undeserved rewards.
    Cons:
    - - - Literally trip over a powerful artifact, get undeserved rewards.
    - - Be a huge nerd, spend time obsessed with fantasy and games.

    Edit: 4 minutes late, damn.
     
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    So her brother called MORTAL magic weeb shit. That implies that mortal magic is just something that's trying to be some other magic, probably Divine magic. So what if Divine magic is a combination of all the Mortal magics but with none of the drawbacks, the ability to use both artifice and Naturalism, not having to stick to a single Paradigm without weakening, and their own form of Divine internal cultivation magic.

    Single schools magic only costed us a single Orb. This would leave her with two left over Orbs of advantages from Reincarnation using a single to take Divine Magic provided by her past life.

    Reincarnation(1 Orb) + Young Master(2 Orbs) + Reincarnation Advantages(+3 Orbs) = 6 Orbs
    Thrice Graced(4 Orbs) + Young Master(2 Orbs) = 6 Orbs

    Thus Balance.
     
    Huh.

    I actually like all of these choices. Some moreso than others (I'm big on making sure you've got a good level of footing--no weaknesses is important after all when our enemy is already guaranteed to be an "Omnidisciplinary Genius"), but I would be happy with any of them.
     
    [X] BASK In My Glory, Mongrels!

    Don't want spoiled brat and this provides an increase in charisma as well being the only one to provide a blazing sun which is the option I really wanted. Since blazing sun provides us with a basic grounding in artifice and diagrams as well as making us an overpowered cultivator this makes us pretty well rounded.
     
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    Rihaku said:
    many powerful families will compete aggressively for a betrothal
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    So just felt like pointing this out, but there's a non-negligible chance that the heroine is one of our betrothal options. While we probably won't have too much of a say in who it is, it's something to consider -- although she won't be obvious since she won't stand out too much (if at all) until she's 18.
     
    [X] Just As Planned

    Lich gets us Soul magic. Soul magic gets past Immortality. Diagramming is downright amazing in its potential to overwrite her advantages.
     
    Ok. What do we have a not insignificant amount of? Time. We have enough time to NOT need to go brute power for now. For this reason

    [X] Just as planned

    Is the right choice in my opinion. We have access to a huge array of cultivation training resources by virtue of who we are. We have enough time to need instantly need to blaze to glory. Most importantly, the diagram option gives us a) the potential for chrominance (the resource cost can be mitigated by our clan wealth) and b) THE ABILITY TO PLAY AS AIZEN.

    Flexibility is the most important things we can give ourselves now. The ability to accelerate training later with chronomancy and most importantly learn the art of having things fall our way is very useful. Also, the Lich/Daddy dynamic sounds narratively interesting, and although spoiled is a character flaw that's annoying it will be beaten out of us by our immortal mentor. Spoiled without either mommy/grandpa or lich would be a bad choice as daddy would be too lazy to beat it out but this way it counterbalances.
     
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    So just felt like pointing this out, but there's a non-negligible chance that the heroine is one of our betrothal options. While we probably won't have too much of a say in who it is, it's something to consider -- although she won't be obvious since she won't stand out too much (if at all) until she's 18.
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    It does seem like a good avenue to poach one of the other Heroes though.
     
    [X] BASK In My Glory, Mongrels!

    We get the greatest cultivation advancement of all three options while still acquiring some familiarity with the two other schools of magic, we aren't spoiled, we get allies and social status in general and establish some contact with our granfather, one of the two most powerful people in the world... what's not to like?
     
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    Blonddude42 said:
    So just felt like pointing this out, but there's a non-negligible chance that the heroine is one of our betrothal options. While we probably won't have too much of a say in who it is, it's something to consider -- although she won't be obvious since she won't stand out too much (if at all) until she's 18.
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    She'll still be an omni-disciplinary genius with super plot armor, so it may not be impossible to find her. The difficulty would be in confirmation.
     
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