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Aabcehmu said:
I suspect we'll want Yon to have more deliverables before we come to the negotiating table.
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That's my read. Don't take none of the actions Cinder just recommended, because that could be taken as running (and predators only have one reaction to running prey), but don't try to bargain with her without cards in hand.

... I think, having met Piggy, it would be better to get stills and other alchemy equipment through Sergeant Gosrick. They're the leverage Piggy has over us, at the moment, and I don't see asking her to give that up ending well.
 
[x] (Class) Tactics
[x] (Personal) Quest: Synthetic Elixir Part 1
[x] (Personal) Time with Cinder (minor still access)
 
Candesce said:
Does Academia Nut have established opinions on Malal?
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Everyone hates Malal. Including Malal.

Especially Malal.

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Academia Nut said:
Obviously they don't need much yang
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How much Yang energy is in a potentia coil? Serious question.

[X] (Class) Tactics
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Candesce said:
I think, having met Piggy, it would be better to get stills and other alchemy equipment through Sergeant Gosrick. They're the leverage Piggy has over us, at the moment, and I don't see asking her to give that up ending well.
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I suspect we will just make stuff for her in return for using it to make stuff for ourselves as well.

She said it is expensive, so I doubt anything we can get would be superior.
 
Getting our own full, independent alchemy lab is definitely more of a long-term goal, and something we'll probably need to butter up Gosrick, Piggy, and probably other, even more influential people to get to. Getting a set-up that we can reliably just pick and run with is one of the major per-requisites for us getting the hell out of dodge, I think.
 
Aabcehmu said:
Getting our own full, independent alchemy lab is definitely more of a long-term goal, and something we'll probably need to butter up Gosrick, Piggy, and probably other, even more influential people to get to. Getting a set-up that we can reliably just pick and run with is one of the major per-requisites for us getting the hell out of dodge, I think.
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In what way is getting the hell out of dodge even remotely worthwhile as a plan?
 
Getting a good alchemy set is a very long term project, I'd agree.

Getting a bathtub still onboard ship we can use to earn favors and make lower-end cultivation aids is something it seems likely we can manage in the shorter term, though.
 
Academia Nut said:
There was also a pair of Dreaming Lotus Elixirs supplied by the Sect, along with a few other resources. That was quite a bit more than he expected.
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It seems like the sect is still providing resources, I am guessing are are still close to the planet, the ship could have taken bulk resources and slowly gave them to us, but we are picking more people in six months, so I am guessing there isn't much of a point going far away, Yon would probably also notice if he was transported through the warp, so we are probably in the same star system.
 
Aabcehmu said:
Because, I hope, we're aiming for much higher things than just being some traitor guardsman commander or whatever.
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We need some goal first, if we got a ship and a small regiment now, we don't really have much to do with it, or even a clue about where the best places to get cultivation resources.

I think building up towards a personal stuff is good, but we need more knowledge before we decide anything.

As much as the situation sucks for the young masters, not much changed for Yon, aside from seeing more extreme chaos corruption since it seems elders in his sect kept their mutations mostly under control.
 
Aabcehmu said:
Because, I hope, we're aiming for much higher things than just being some traitor guardsman commander or whatever.
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That depends on how broad your "whatever" is. I mean, I figure that Yon is aiming for "properly ascend", like all appropriately ambitious cultivators do, and that's an ambition that he can fulfil just fine with enough time and investment in the unit he's in. That might not be the most efficient path to the power he seeks, but I can pretty much guarantee that "run away" isn't either. I mean, he's working for Chaos. They can be pretty flexible about social mobility, sometimes.

Also, realistically, we aren't "traitor guardsmen". Yon hasn't betrayed anyone and neither have the others from his sect. They're all loyally following the same hierarchy they've been in all their lives. Calling them "traitor" is propaganda from corpse-worshippers, and propaganda based on some pretty tortured logic at that.
 
Hmm... Couple of thoughts to stir:

We have no idea where Yon or the conscripts/volunteers actually are, as far as I can tell. I haven't seen indication that his training is taking place on a planet or a ship. Maybe I missed that detail.

Warp travel being what it is, and the sheer size of most warp-going vessels, I'd handily accept that nearly all of their indoctrination and basic training is occurring onboard some vessel going somewhere else.

Two more thoughts to mull:

Wherever the current location, its close enough to have a civilian or civilian-equivalent center of culture, commerce and the like. Cinder, for all of her erotic strangeness, is a civilian.

She's not a citizen per se, she doesn't have rights and freedoms like we'd take for granted reading the story. But she is very much what I'm going to be noting as average for the general population of non-conscripts. At least as far as Yon is concerned.

And part of that average-nature, is that she has fairly obvious mutations and alterations from warp-influence. How to express this...

So on the one hand, I have a thought that for the average inhabitant of a chaos-aligned settlement, mutations are things you can approach almost like ripperdocs in Cyberpunk. This is probably incorrect, but generally speaking when we see RPG content of chaos-alike, we're never seeing the non-combatant and not-horrifying-aspects of their culture.

On the other hand, the usual way of doing things as I recall it, is an individual pledges themselves or acts in a manner that aligns with one of the big four- or a lesser daemon, and is given blessings and 'blessings' in exchange for services rendered in the materium- even if only prayer or something else.

I muse on all this mostly because Cinder's very existence suggests that beneficial or curated mutations are available to the general public. Or maybe they're not.
 
Shyft said:
On the other hand, the usual way of doing things as I recall it, is an individual pledges themselves or acts in a manner that aligns with one of the big four- or a lesser daemon, and is given blessings and 'blessings' in exchange for services rendered in the materium- even if only prayer or something else.
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Cinder seems to be pretty clearly Slaanesh-aligned, just as Piggy is pretty obviously rocking some Nurgle.
 
This is a minor and very strange complaint, but the protagonist's name is annoying.

It is far too visually similar to 'You' and so, with this being a quest, it often momentarily tricks me into thinking the story is written in a second-person perspective, only for me to then be smacked in the face with third-person pronouns.
 
Sirrocco said:
Cinder seems to be pretty clearly Slaanesh-aligned, just as Piggy is pretty obviously rocking some Nurgle.
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Piggy is explicitly Slaanesh-aligned.

Were this creature carried in by slaves or even if it were floating inexplicably through the air that would be less shocking than its actual mode of ambulation. The palanquin that carried it in was a perverse fusion of flesh and metal, eighteen human-ish arms bearing the weight. Dozens of faces ringed the perimeter of the palanquin, their mouths replaced with brass metal grills that seemed to whisper at the edge of consciousness, while more faces gazed inward at the core. The being seemed to not wear anything, although there was a copious amount of silk for banners bearing the mark of the Lotus Prince, and the creature's flesh was so copious it was self-censoring for the most part.
 
Arbit said:
Piggy is explicitly Slaanesh-aligned.

Were this creature carried in by slaves or even if it were floating inexplicably through the air that would be less shocking than its actual mode of ambulation. The palanquin that carried it in was a perverse fusion of flesh and metal, eighteen human-ish arms bearing the weight. Dozens of faces ringed the perimeter of the palanquin, their mouths replaced with brass metal grills that seemed to whisper at the edge of consciousness, while more faces gazed inward at the core. The being seemed to not wear anything, although there was a copious amount of silk for banners bearing the mark of the Lotus Prince, and the creature's flesh was so copious it was self-censoring for the most part.
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Okay, fair... but the "enormously, absurdly obese", and the associated thing with the arms tends to suggest at least some Nurgle as well.
 
Shyft said:
I muse on all this mostly because Cinder's very existence suggests that beneficial or curated mutations are available to the general public. Or maybe they're not.
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They aren't, she is just lucky, Yon already noted the instances if uncontrolled cultivation, people exposed to spiritual energy without enlightenment, and how they usually die, get dissected, or are lucky like him if they got some enlightenment.

He saw some selling their bodies here.
 
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