Ardion Prosili
An (im)Perfect Cell
I wonder if the votes will ever be called to a close...
Emma Barnes, Princess (Worm/Princess the Hopeful Quest)
- Thread starter Lord Ultimus
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Omegahugger
Inattentive Idiot
There has been a timer out for about 30 hours.
Lord Ultimus
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- Location
- Undisclosed Warehouse
By my count, there are approximately 19 hours left until I close the vote.
Piggot claims this to weld as part of her personal goals as part of a conversation on how all the directors have their personal projects. It isn't official PRT policy beyond Brockton Bay. We also never see any evidence that Piggot is actually trying to accomplish this goal rather than just dreaming about it or lying to Weld to butter him up. There is no support for rogues anywhere and in fact the government actively tries to destroy successful ones. The Elite were turned from legitimate moral businesses to a criminal syndicate by a law written just to destroy them, Toybox exists as nomads in hiding because they can't trust the PRT to provide protection from villains unless they disband and join the Protectorate.
We never hear about any programs designed to help new parahuman not become villains that doesn't require fighting for your life against villains as PRT subordinates or go into business.
The part about eventually having a cape lead PRT is complete bullshit. It is completely against the very charter of their organization of putting capes under mundane control. In fact a cape in charge of a PRT division was one of the things they completely refused to negotiate with Taylor on even after she killed Alexandria and sane people came to the negotiation table. The only way you can get a cape lead PRT is to completely replace the people in charge and build up a new organization from the ruins. Which happened after gold morning due to them all dying and the remainder of the protectorate building anew as the Protectorate->Wardens shedding the entire PRT structure, and openly working on helping villains become heroes and redeem themselves
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- Fabulously Rainbow Ireland
"if it doesn't happen on screen it doesn't exist" The Elite and rogues got fucked over by big business and politicians not the PRT and what is the problem with the PRT wanting to encourage people to join the Protectorate?
You get a (small) stipend from the PRT just for coming in and letting them test your powers and stuff which is also to help entice you to sign up and get even more stuff because thats the PRT/Protectorates job to get capes to JOIN them and there aren't any other options aside from that, being an independent. going into business or just NOT using your powers.
One of the things TAGG refused to negotiate and Alexandria didn't want because she planned for Miss Militia to be part of a new Triumvirate style group to help inspire the public/other capes and get their PR out of the shitter after Echidna.
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- The sixth circle of Hell (second on weekends)
- Pronouns
- She/Her
One of the things I note in favour of Storms over Hearts, character-arc-wise, is that Storms starts Emma off in a relatively bad place from which we can play her slowly, haltingly and arduously moving upward, with false starts and slipping down every now and then as appropriate. It's a storyline where a lot of the conflict comes from within, and the setting will, hopefully, reflect and support that.
Hearts, by contrast, starts us off in a rather better place, which, uh... from a narrative point of view, not only means that the conflict will be largely external and the setting will reflect and support that by grinding our faces into it, but it also means that she's starting out in a much better place, and thus has a lot more leeway for her character arc to take her downwards. If you start at the bottom, you can either claw your way up or spiral into a mindless monster (we can hopefully avoid the latter through roleplay). If you start towards the middle of the top, there's a lot less "up" for you to move towards, and a heck of a lot more "down".
... also, bluntly, I like the narrative of someone starting at the bottom of the moral ladder from the bottom and climbing to the top by dint of sheer determination and a long and involved series of learning from mistakes a lot more than that of someone starting near the top of the moral ladder and either blithely staying there or, worse, moving down it as they're forced to compromise with an ugly and cynical universe.
Hearts, by contrast, starts us off in a rather better place, which, uh... from a narrative point of view, not only means that the conflict will be largely external and the setting will reflect and support that by grinding our faces into it, but it also means that she's starting out in a much better place, and thus has a lot more leeway for her character arc to take her downwards. If you start at the bottom, you can either claw your way up or spiral into a mindless monster (we can hopefully avoid the latter through roleplay). If you start towards the middle of the top, there's a lot less "up" for you to move towards, and a heck of a lot more "down".
... also, bluntly, I like the narrative of someone starting at the bottom of the moral ladder from the bottom and climbing to the top by dint of sheer determination and a long and involved series of learning from mistakes a lot more than that of someone starting near the top of the moral ladder and either blithely staying there or, worse, moving down it as they're forced to compromise with an ugly and cynical universe.
When the only form of interaction the PRT is willing to have with non-villain, non-protectorate capes is trying to recruit them they aren't trying to integrate them into society they are trying to remove them from society as their agents. Recruitment should be a thing they do but it shouldn't be the only option. Real government has plenty of programs to help people not become criminals yet none of them consist of mandatory service as a cop. The government fucking up the Elite is part of the system and a Heart can't do shit about it without being declared a villain as capes aren't allowed to get involved in important things as they are limited to working for the Protectorate.
Provide a citation because it sounds to me that you are making shit up.
Same as above.
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- Fabulously Rainbow Ireland
That does sound pretty good but I just have my doubts that people will REALLY vote for clawing up the moral ladder and redeeming ourselves given how vindictive SB/SV can be or how people can vote for a bad/confrontational option just because they want to spite/punish one of the characters that pissed them off either in the quest or in canon
How is making them admired hero's that are looked up to by the public NOT integration? I also said they try and encourage you to join them because thats their job and they do that by telling you about ALL the benefits you get by signing up plus the pay and shit.From Wildbow's PRT quest from when they're trying to negotiate with/recruit Tanya (iirc the girl who accidentally flays people she touches when she gets stressed)
from Cell 22.4
[quote="Alexandris]Tagg remains in position. He's here for a reason. Miss Militia is promoted elsewhere. With the fall of the Triumvirate, we need a new core group. We can market it."[/quote]
also you double posted
Omegahugger
Inattentive Idiot
That is a legitimate worry. SV can most definitely be very vindictive without due cause when they want to.
On the other hand, they also have an almost pathogical desire to White Knight when they aren't being vindictive assholes, so I still think we'll have a net rise on the moral scale.
- Location
- Fabulously Rainbow Ireland
Well I'm kinda wavering on switching but
these are kinda good points so I'm still not quite willing to take the plunge just yet
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- He/Him
On a more meta level, would the thread that is split almost 50/50 on Storms throw itself into full on crazy like that the moment the vote wins? I doubt it.
NonSequtur
a body
Think of it as a social experiment. 
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- Fabulously Rainbow Ireland
Well to be accurate its this thread, the SB one and the QQ one all together but I see your point.
This would be the same Tears who are literally doing the Dark Kingdom thing, draining Light and hope from the world, and making holes into the Dark World through which Darkspawn can enter - and humans who spend time in those tainted areas risk becoming Darkened. Tears literally makes the world worse in every way. Oh, sure, Tears isn't as visceral as Storms - but Storms is at least trying to make the world a better place and is killing the monsters. Tears is letting more monsters in.
If someone wants to play Tears more than Storms, it suggests they prefer to hurt far more innocent people through indirect means than yes, sadly, sometimes hurt innocents accidentally. That they prefer to turn a blind eye to the harm they do, rather than be forced to stare it in the face.
Especially in a target-rich area like Brockton Bay, Storms can actually exercise discretion. A follower of Storms can go after people who deserve it more, when faced with a choice between two equal targets. And it's unlikely an office building will be a tainted place, because office buildings aren't usually the sort of place where sustained horror of the kind required to taint a location occurs [1]. Yes, Emma probably will be committing acts of arson, but there'll be far more apartments used as meth labs where drug addicts die and no one noticed them - because far more meth labs become tainted places than office buildings. And there's nothing which says you can't get the normal people to evacuate before you set the place on fire.
Really, when you look at how horrible a tainted place is, burning it to the ground really is one of the best ways of dealing with it. No one should live in such a place, or they'll risk becoming Darkened. The Radiant are known to sometimes commit arson if a place is too hard to deal with their methods.
(And on the other side, there's nothing that says that Storms can't use the Radiant methods to cleanse a tainted area. It's just slower and more risky. But you can totally validly play a Storms character who deals with tainted places in just the same way as a Radiant would - it's just you have faster ways available to you. But especially for smaller tainted places, it can be fairly simple to solve it without burning the entire building down - while if an entire building is tainted, a lot of Radiant are going to get everyone out of there and then start looking for the matches. Not that many people will probably be living there anyway, because when you're living in a place where Darkspawn can break through into reality, you either get the fuck out or you're already Darkened and the monsters leave you alone because they know you're like them)
[1] Oh, unless Tears drained all the light and hope from it.
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- Spain
Tears can have a redemption arc just the same as storms, you know. Really, is just a question of what is more interesting to play, and pure uncompromising vigilantism is just boring.
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- Canada
But its a lot harder for Tears because using their charms causes you to take a hit to your Morality/Sanity stat.
Omegahugger
Inattentive Idiot
It was more a comment to the guy on QQ that proclaimed the Stormies as irredeemably evil and the very worst.
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- Fabulously Rainbow Ireland
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Or y'know that they just care more about keeping the people they know and care about safe then some faceless others that they're expected to fight and die for.
Omegahugger
Inattentive Idiot
Don't Storms do the same?
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- Fabulously Rainbow Ireland
Uh Storms are more about kicking evil's ass then about protecting.
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- Canada
Eh, Storms is the Invocation of "Fuck the world, its full of darkness. we'll burn it down and build it back better."
Tears is the invocation of "Fuck the world, I only care about my family. if I have to I'll burn the world down and not look back to save them."
Omegahugger
Inattentive Idiot
But they protect as well.
Sure, it's mainly protection through preemptive attacks, but that is a way of defending your loved ones as well. If there's no threat left capable of harming them, they'll be safe.
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- He/Him
Many good points, but are you sure you quoted the right thing there? That post has nothing about tears in it.
Not to mention Alhambra exists and has huge amounts of control over your life. Also, as ES said you have much less agency.