Odd thought. But... How will a Tech Marine fit in all this theoretically? ...? Do they just have both Nature and Machine Spirit somewhat? Or just the latter?
Odd thought. But... How will a Tech Marine fit in all this theoretically? ...? Do they just have both Nature and Machine Spirit somewhat? Or just the latter?
Spirits are jealous a was said later, they would just have the latter.
To have both you have to be Celestial grade powerful/influential like the Circle who do not need to bargain with the spirits, they can just appeal to the World Soul in its full hybrid form.
I think that rather than Techmarines we should try to design a lesser version of Thalassa's transformation that can be mass produced.
Teaching some psykers to be Tech Priests rather than shaman; enlightening them, and giving them full body cyborg augmentations with the base framework into which other plug and play modular implants are installed being a low dot artifact piece of technology with an incarnated Machine Spirit that's merged with the person.
They wouldn't be able to shapeshift implants into existence like Thalassa can, and would have to have them made conventionally and Incarnated with a rite, but they could be very competitive with regular Tech Marines that way.
I think that rather than Techmarines we should try to design a lesser version of Thalassa's transformation that can be mass produced.
Teaching some psykers to be Tech Priests rather than shaman; enlightening them, and giving them full body cyborg augmentations with the base framework into which other plug and play modular implants are installed being a low dot artifact piece of technology with an incarnated Machine Spirit that's merged with the person.
They wouldn't be able to shapeshift implants into existence like Thalassa can, and would have to have them made conventionally and Incarnated with a rite, but they could be very competitive with regular Tech Marines that way.
You know one thing that would be interesting to see is how much we can get out of enhancing gen pop, everyone, I do not mean to high levels, but surely we can do better than the Ad Mech seeing as every single implant we stick in someone will be awakened. Even more to the point we have Mars tech... but we do not have their hang ups about keeping the good stuff to the very top of a very sharp hierarchy. Thalassa can make rugged low-maintenance tech and once it is made, well that is why they call it tech, it scales.
You know one thing that would be interesting to see is how much we can get out of enhancing gen pop, everyone, I do not mean to high levels, but surely we can do better than the Ad Mech seeing as every single implant we stick in someone will be awakened. Even more to the point we have Mars tech... but we do not have their hang ups about keeping the good stuff to the very top of a very sharp hierarchy. Thalassa can make rugged low-maintenance tech and once it is made, well that is why they call it tech, it scales.
The challenge is scaling. That's one reason why I wanted to go for genetor augments derived from packages of mutations. Unlike cybernetics that logically can require exotic raw materials, gene therapies that makes your organs work better or even cultured synthetic biotech organs shouldn't really.
Fan would need to use VEE to sequentially grant the combination of mutations over years and AMI to derive the blueprints which Thalassa could then use to build the machines (organ cloning tanks, auto-chirugeons) required to perform the augmentations, but I think it would likely scale better for many things.
The things we almost certainly need to make as cybernetics are the Cortex Implants (which would hopefully stack with the Mega-Attribute - Mental) mutation and one day a Noosphere Interface Implant, to allow people to commune with each other and Machine Spirits through that medium.
Colchis - 831.M30 The world of Colchis was one steeped in tradition, its people holding tightly to the rituals and knowledge passed down through generations. Yet, as the planet's isolation grew, so too did the realization that much of the ancient technology that once empowered humanity was now beyond their grasp. Thalassa saw this gap not as a limitation but as a challenge, an opportunity to push the boundaries of what was possible.
The problem was clear: they lacked the advanced materials needed to build the wonders of the ancient empires. The existing factories, though robust, were designed for a time of isolation and scarcity, capable of producing only the most basic of goods. Thalassa and Lorgar knew that to achieve their vision, they needed to establish an Advanced Materials Research Institute, a place where the brightest minds could come together to unlock the secrets of the ancient technologies and develop new materials that would empower their people.
The decision to establish the research institute was the first of many challenges. They needed a location that was both accessible and secure, a place where the work could be conducted without interruption and where the fruits of their labor could be protected. After much deliberation, they chose a site nestled in the high mountains of Colchis, far from the prying eyes of potential enemies and close to the planet's natural reservoirs of spiritual energy.
The mountains were rugged and remote, but they offered a unique advantage: the proximity to the World-soul's energy. Thalassa believed that by tapping into this energy, they could enhance the research process, making the impossible possible. The decision was made, and construction began.
Building the research institute was a monumental task. The site was difficult to access, and transporting materials and equipment to the remote location proved to be a logistical nightmare. The workers faced harsh conditions, battling extreme weather and treacherous terrain. But Thalassa and Lorgar were undeterred. They knew that the success of their endeavor depended on the strength of the foundation they laid, and they pushed their team to overcome every obstacle.
The first two months were spent carving out the base of the institute from the mountain itself. Tunnels were drilled, and vast underground chambers were hollowed out, providing a secure and stable environment for the laboratories and workshops. Above ground, the main building began to take shape, a towering structure designed to house the researchers and their equipment.
As the construction progressed, Thalassa and Lorgar remained closely involved. Thalassa oversaw the technical aspects, working with engineers to ensure that every detail was perfect. Lorgar, ever the leader, focused on inspiring the workers, reminding them of the importance of their work and the future they were building together. His words gave them the strength to push through the difficulties, and by the end of the third month, the institute was beginning to resemble the grand vision they had imagined.
With the physical structure of the institute nearing completion, the next challenge was to assemble a team of researchers and scientists who could bring their vision to life. This was no small task. The brightest minds on Colchis were scattered across the planet, each working in isolation on their projects. Thalassa and Lorgar needed to bring them together, to create a collaborative environment where their collective knowledge could be harnessed for the greater good.
Lorgar took the lead in this effort, using his influence and charisma to persuade the most talented individuals to join the project. He traveled from city to city, visiting universities and research centers, speaking to professors and engineers, convincing them of the importance of the institute and the role they could play in shaping the future of Colchis.
Thalassa, meanwhile, focused on creating the conditions necessary for success. She knew that the researchers would need more than just advanced equipment; they needed an environment that fostered creativity and innovation. She worked closely with architects and interior designers, crafting a space that was both functional and inspiring. The laboratories were equipped with the latest technology, but they were also designed to be places of beauty, with large windows that offered stunning views of the surrounding mountains and carefully curated art that reflected the spiritual heritage of Colchis.
By the end of the fourth month, the institute was ready to open its doors. The team of researchers had been assembled, and they arrived with a sense of excitement and purpose. They knew they were part of something special, something that had the potential to change the course of history. Thalassa and Lorgar welcomed them personally, giving speeches that outlined the goals of the program and the importance of their work.
The initial focus of the research was on understanding the materials used by the ancients. They began by studying ancient records, searching for any clues that might reveal the secrets of the alloys and composites that had allowed humanity to reach the stars. The researchers were given access to rare and valuable artifacts, some of which had been locked away for centuries, and they set to work analyzing them with the most advanced tools at their disposal.
The early experiments were promising but fraught with challenges. The ancient materials were incredibly complex, with properties that defied conventional understanding. The researchers found themselves working in uncharted territory, and every discovery seemed to raise more questions than it answered. Some of the materials they attempted to replicate were unstable, others were too expensive to produce on a large scale, and still others required rare elements that were difficult to obtain.
Thalassa and Lorgar were closely involved in this phase of the research. Thalassa spent long hours in the laboratories, working alongside the scientists, offering her insights and guidance. She had a deep understanding of the spiritual aspects of the materials, and she believed that by aligning their efforts with the energies of the World-soul, they could achieve greater success. Her presence was a source of inspiration for the team, and her knowledge proved invaluable in solving some of the more perplexing challenges.
Lorgar, on the other hand, focused on keeping the team motivated. He understood the importance of morale and knew that the success of the program depended on the researchers' ability to stay focused and positive, even in the face of setbacks. He regularly visited the laboratories, speaking with the scientists, listening to their concerns, and offering words of encouragement. His leadership helped to create a sense of unity and purpose, and it kept the project moving forward.
As the fifth month began, the team was still struggling to produce a material that could meet the demands of their project. The setbacks had taken a toll on their morale, and doubts were beginning to creep in. But then, an unexpected breakthrough occurred.
One of the researchers, a young scientist with a background in chemistry, had been experimenting with a new method of combining elements. She had been inspired by an ancient text that described a process used by the ancients to create a material with extraordinary properties. The text was vague, and the process was not well understood, but she decided to take a risk and try something new.
The result was a material that was stronger, lighter, and more versatile than anything they had previously produced. It was a moment of triumph, and it gave the entire team a much-needed boost of confidence. Thalassa and Lorgar were ecstatic. They immediately recognized the significance of the discovery and urged the team to refine the process, to push the limits of what this new material could do.
Over the next few weeks, the researchers worked tirelessly to perfect the material. They experimented with different formulations, tested it under various conditions, and found ways to produce it more efficiently. The progress they made was astounding, and by the end of the fifth month, they had a material that could rival even the most advanced alloys of the ancient empires.
With the new material in hand, the focus shifted to scaling up production. The goal was to create a process that could be replicated on a large scale, allowing the material to be used across Colchis. This was no easy task, as the process was still in its infancy, and there were many technical challenges to overcome.
Thalassa and Lorgar knew that they needed to act quickly. The success of the program depended on their ability to deliver tangible results, and they were determined to see it through. They worked closely with the engineers and technicians, exploring every possible avenue for improving the production process.
One of the biggest challenges was sourcing the raw materials needed for the new alloy. The process required rare elements that were not readily available on Colchis, and the team had to get creative in finding alternatives. Thalassa used her connections with the World-soul to locate deposits of these elements deep within the planet's crust, and they quickly set up mining operations to extract them.
Lorgar, meanwhile, focused on optimizing the production facilities. He brought in experts from across the planet, individuals with experience in large-scale manufacturing, to help streamline the process. They worked day and night, tweaking the machinery, refining the workflow, and ensuring that every aspect of the operation was as efficient as possible.
Then Lorgar made a breakthrough. He had been working closely with the spirits of the World-soul, seeking its guidance and blessings for their work. He had always believed that the spiritual and material worlds were interconnected, and that by aligning their efforts with the natural energies of Colchis, they could achieve greater success.
His faith was rewarded when one of the spirits, an ancient and powerful entity, revealed a hidden resource deep within the planet's crust. This resource, a rare and highly reactive mineral, had the potential to revolutionize their work. It was unlike anything they had ever encountered, with properties that defied conventional understanding.
Thalassa and Lorgar immediately dispatched a team to investigate. What they found exceeded their wildest dreams. The mineral, when processed correctly, could be used to create materials with unparalleled strength and durability. It was the missing piece they had been searching for, the key to unlocking the full potential of their research.
The discovery of this mineral changed everything. The team worked around the clock to extract and refine it, using every resource at their disposal. The material they created was nothing short of miraculous, capable of withstanding extreme temperatures, pressures, and even the corrosive effects of the Warp. It was a game-changer, and it allowed them to achieve results in a matter of weeks that would have otherwise taken years.
With the new material in hand, Thalassa and Lorgar focused on the final phase of the program: the application of their discoveries. They had always intended for the Advanced Materials Research Program to benefit all of Colchis, not just the military or the elite. They wanted to create materials that could be used in everyday life, to improve the quality of life for all of their people.
The sixth month was a whirlwind of activity. The team worked tirelessly to scale up production, to find ways to integrate the new materials into existing infrastructure, and to develop new technologies that could take advantage of their unique properties. The possibilities seemed endless, and every day brought new ideas and innovations.
Lorgar took a hands-on approach during this final phase, working closely with the engineers and designers to ensure that their creations were both functional and aesthetically pleasing. He had always believed that beauty and utility were not mutually exclusive, and he wanted the products of their labor to reflect that philosophy.
By the end of the sixth month, the Advanced Materials Research Program had achieved results beyond anyone's expectations. What should have taken a year and a half had been accomplished in just six months. The new materials they had developed were already being used across Colchis, from the construction of new buildings to the manufacturing of advanced machinery. The impact on the planet's economy and infrastructure was profound, and the benefits were felt by all.
Lorgar and Thalassa stood at the forefront of this new era, guiding their people with wisdom and compassion. They had not only revived the lost technologies of the past but had also laid the groundwork for a future that was brighter and more prosperous than ever before. ROLLS:
High enough to get you something but low enough that you will not get something great.
So what took 1 year or 2 turns (Lorgar's assistance reduced it by one turn) reduced it further by one turn, so this is now COMPLETE. Next turn you get T3 Exotic resources. CHOICE:
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So what took 1 year or 2 turns (Lorgar's assistance reduced it by one turn) reduced it further by one turn, so this is now COMPLETE. Next turn you get T3 Exotic resources.
Actually, picking up something from yesterday. There's a Mage (internal) Background called Enhancements, which represents implanted cybernetics.
Just as we can use VEE to give people mutations that can be reverse engineered into genetor augments, can be grant them the Enhancements Background (five dots as it's internal) to transform them into having a desired piece of cyberware that can then be reverse engineered.
Both mutations and cyberware are transformations of the recipients body, after all.
Ideally you'd do this to people who'd already had the framework for Thalassa's modular implants installed.
Hi there! Just caught up with the quest and I have to say I enjoy it. Couple of things I noticed/my thought and possible plans:
1). Interesting to see all the changes to canon that are happening like the survival of the Thunder Warriors or the fact our boys back on Terra got to wear the Aquila before anyone else. Originally the Emperor's children were the first legion to earn the honor to wear it after they saved the Emperor's life from an assassination attempt and it wasn't until during the Heresy that loyalists started to wear it. I wonder if the Emperor kept the Thunder Warriors around as a backup or plans to throw them against really dangerous foes that deserve annihilation like the Orks…actually come to think of it why didn't the Emperor keep them around for dealing with the Orks in canon given they'd have been perfect for that sort of fight?
2). I am 90% sure Tiberius is Erebus or that Erebus is dead and Tiberius will replace him in the new continuity.
3). The Emperor and the Mechanicum are gonna have a headache now that there is a demigod of the Omnissiah running around
4). I am terrified what will happen when Fan and the Emperor meet given where his powers come from is literally opposed to the Emperor's basic belief structure of there are no higher powers. Assuming he doesn't try to kill us he might force us to keep the source secret.
5). Assuming we don't come to blows the Emperor and Lorgar are gonna be hella close considering both of them can sympathize with the "I'm really not divine." shtick.
6). I wonder if Konrad is saner since we broke fate and proved the future is not set in stone?
7). Since the Emperor is coming to us sooner I wonder if it's possible to meet the other Primarchs sooner? Maybe we can save Angron from the nails.
8). Our legion's fighting style is like an unholy mixture of Raven guard, Thosand sons, White Scars, and post Heresy Tallarn. Meanwhile our philosophy is like something of a cross between the White Scars, Thousand Sons with Space Wolf Rune Priests. I wonder if we can shift the balance of the council of Nikea so Magnus won't turn traitor or even bridge the gap between Leman and Magnus?
9). Wondering if the Men of Stone are the same as the Ironkin made by the Leagues of Votann/Squats considering the Ironkin are less dangerous or powerful than the true men of Iron we got glimpses at like the ones the Dark Angels have in storage.
10). Finally I wonder if our geneseed could be chimerically melded with other legions to fix their flaws like the Thousand Sons flesh change?
6)I wonder if Konrad is saner since we broke fate and proved the future is not set in stone?
7). Since the Emperor is coming to us sooner I wonder if it's possible to meet the other Primarchs sooner? Maybe we can save Angron from the nails.
8). Our legion's fighting style is like an unholy mixture of Raven guard, Thosand sons, White Scars, and post Heresy Tallarn. Meanwhile our philosophy is like something of a cross between the White Scars, Thousand Sons with Space Wolf Rune Priests. I wonder if we can shift the balance of the council of Nikea so Magnus won't turn traitor or even bridge the gap between Leman and Magnus?
9). Wondering if the Men of Stone are the same as the Ironkin made by the Leagues of Votann/Squats considering the Ironkin are less dangerous or powerful than the true men of Iron we got glimpses at like the ones the Dark Angels have in storage.
10). Finally I wonder if our geneseed could be chimerically melded with other legions to fix their flaws like the Thousand Sons flesh change?
Sadly not, his issue is not so much with fate, it is with where he was raised, he kept seeing worst case scenarios and since he was sent to a planet where worse case scenarios almost always came true he came to expect them. Konrad is going to need some counseling
Hopefully there will not be a Nikea, the only reason it existed was the Thousand Sons going over the line
I think logically speaking that all artificial minds would come on a spectrum, 'Man of Stone' and 'Man of Iron' don't sound like technical specs do they? They sound like what they are, mythological characters so named in a much later age. In conclusion who knows what kind of AI we can find. One thing's for sure we will figure out how to shove a soul in it to protect it from daemons.
I'm going to say probably not. Even we do not seem to have the ability to shove incompatible mythos together, which makes work since creating a harmony of their various mythos was not just the work of the Primordials whole and hale, but the Great Work, the creation of Creation. We are probably not getting near that anytime soon
Sadly not, his issue is not so much with fate, it is with where he was raised, he kept seeing worst case scenarios and since he was sent to a planet where worse case scenarios almost always came true he came to expect them. Konrad is going to need some counseling
Hopefully there will not be a Nikea, the only reason it existed was the Thousand Sons going over the line
I think logically speaking that all artificial minds would come on a spectrum, 'Man of Stone' and 'Man of Iron' don't sound like technical specs do they? They sound like what they are, mythological characters so named in a much later age. In conclusion who knows what kind of AI we can find. One thing's for sure we will figure out how to shove a soul in it to protect it from daemons.
I'm going to say probably not. Even we do not seem to have the ability to shove incompatible mythos together, which makes work since creating a harmony of their various mythos was not just the work of the Primordials whole and hale, but the Great Work, the creation of Creation. We are probably not getting near that anytime soon
Poor Konrad. Side note we should totally rip off Age of Sigmar's Hallowed Knights and make our battle cry be "Only the faithful!"
Actually they have a lot of sayings and stuff we can poach like:
"Who knows the virtue of forbearance? Only the faithful".
And their Canticles of faith:
"Much is demanded of those to whom much is given."
"Only through faith can victory be achieved."
"In death, we prove ourselves worthy of life."
"To live in the past was to lose sight of the future."
"Pride is the flaw in the shield of faith."
Oh a non Age of Sigmar saying we can poach: "With great power comes great responsibility. With great responsibility must come accountability."
Oh and before I forget here is my vote:
[X] Establish a Council of Elders
Edit: I just realized is Autocthon from Exalted the same as the 40k machine god? If yes Thalassa should have access to their Alchemical Exalted feats and powers and whatnot.
...? Do they just have both Nature and Machine Spirit somewhat? Or just the latter?
