can we call the spirits to ask what's happening/what's the shards doing? having a POV that wasn't given by the SoW would be nice
Echoes of Creation (30k/Exalted)
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Yzarc
The Spark of Madness
Not in the Umbra with an Undead Worldsoul around.
What if we step fully into the Warp first? Sure we would probably have to fight daemons, but would the spirits come when called in the warp if we make it clear it's an emergency that relates to their dearest desire?
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Hm, it is impossible to avoid the step of physically restoring the planet.
The question, then, is how the planet's physical restoration will benefit the Mask of Winters. It could make things more difficult in destroying the Hekatonkhire, perhaps. The trap cannot be avoided, so all that can be done is to seek to mitigate it.
The question, then, is how the planet's physical restoration will benefit the Mask of Winters. It could make things more difficult in destroying the Hekatonkhire, perhaps. The trap cannot be avoided, so all that can be done is to seek to mitigate it.
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Yzarc
The Spark of Madness
That would be even worse as they would be eaten. They rely on the Worldsoul's shadow on the Warp for Protection as do Human Psykers.
Do not see it as "how it benefits him against you", but how it benefits him"
Or the Mask underestimated him. Beings far more powerful than him have done so after all.
Same, we have no idea what's coming it it's rather hard to plan contingencies for it, though maybe...
[X] Try to call the Mask of Winters' bluff, do not use any of your resources against the Wyldspawn, if he really wants you to succeed at this then any attacks aimed at Fan and Thalassa are not meant to succeed.
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[X] Try to call the Mask of Winters' bluff, do not use any of your resources against the Wyldspawn, if he really wants you to succeed at this then any attacks aimed at Fan and Thalassa are not meant to succeed.
Hmm.
Maybe:
[X] Have Lorgar form a telepathic network amongst his marines as he did with the tribe against the Chaos Army, using Precognition to identify coming threats and to guide the army, while using Synergy with Lorgar and as many marines as he can so that Willpower and power a can be shared. Have Dharok psychoport around to kill some of the Wyldspawn and use Psychic Vampirism on others to regenerate Essence and use Willpower and use Synergy to give endangered marines Psychoportarion to jump out of particularly dangerous position. If given the opportunity Lorgar and Dharok should run to use True Faith to redeem some of the Wyldspawn.
Maybe:
[X] Have Lorgar form a telepathic network amongst his marines as he did with the tribe against the Chaos Army, using Precognition to identify coming threats and to guide the army, while using Synergy with Lorgar and as many marines as he can so that Willpower and power a can be shared. Have Dharok psychoport around to kill some of the Wyldspawn and use Psychic Vampirism on others to regenerate Essence and use Willpower and use Synergy to give endangered marines Psychoportarion to jump out of particularly dangerous position. If given the opportunity Lorgar and Dharok should run to use True Faith to redeem some of the Wyldspawn.
So you don't want to test of the mask will throw his troops in the way to protect us? The way I see it it's playing chicken, our willpower against his and willpower doesn't go much higher than 10 no matter what you are. We have about a coin flip's chance he'll blink first, or if he is bluffing we have another chance to spot that when he does not act on the threat
Lorgar's precognition should tell him if that's going to happen or not, I think. I'll try to modify my vote to take accoutn
Only if the Mask is vulnerable to having his actions foretold, which as Ye Olde Essence user he might not be, doubly so as the Dead are meant to be Outside of Fate. How much either of those mechanisms still apply we do not know, but I think it would be overly optimistic to assume that neither have any impact
If Precogntion works in the 40K way, rather than the normal Exalted Way, then it should work just fine.
Active Essence use can mess with the Loom of Fates' simulation/plan for the future because its programming doesn't fully incorporate the variables involved. This is the normal way precog is done in Creation, and it alone has this specific limitation. This does not hold true for all kinds of Exalted Precognition. There are Samsara linked precog effects which are infallible, and there's, IIRC, precog based perfect defences and surprise negators that also always function without fail, whether the enemy uses essence or not.
Warhammer Precogntion is not based on simulating or anticipating the future in a way Essence can mess with. It involves time travel. You literally look forward in time to see what happens in future timelines, because the Warp is outside of time, so you can look in at one time and look out at another, just as starships can enter the Warp at one point in time and enter at a much later or earlier one. Essence use shouldn't have any effect on that, and more than by default essence use stops someone knowing what you previously did - as from the privileged perspective of the Precog, your future actions happened in the past in their personal timeline of perceptions.
Being outside of Fate just means you're not modelled in the Loom of Fate, not that precog generally doesn't work on you, as non-Loom based Exalted precog charms do work on such people.
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I have two issues with this one relating to W40K and one relating to Exalted:
- If the Mask of Winters could be Foreseen with Precog 4 Kairos or Tzeench more broadly would have been aware of what was going on and stopped him from pulling this stuff.
- Psychic precognition is in Exalted Context is 'get one of the Fair Folk to do it', but if the Fair-Folk could reliably precog the Exalted they would not have had so much trouble fighting the Deliberative, not to mention been so hesitant to attack Creation after the end of the High First Age when the Lunars were banished and the Solars gone. Heck if random Unshaped could do that one of the Primordials would have just taken a walk through the Wyld gotten one of the Fair Folk in a metaphorical headlock and had them spill all the secrets of the future so that they would not lose.
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I think the rules of reality have shifted. Time travel and resurrection is now possible when it wasn't when Creation was built. Psychic powers use warp energy, but they're not fair folk powers, as there's a lot more to the warp than the Fair Folk, and the Tribe of Dreamers apparently did encounter major threats that emerged from the Wyld. That's why they made Sol and Luna and their battle station superweapons so incredibly powerful, because they needed to be to deal with the calibre of opposition they faced.
The Mask of Winters bear Kairos by subverting him from the inside, mentally influencing him not to notice the timelines where he was taken over, I think. And I'm not sure the Chaos Gods conventionally exist as coherent personalities except as expressed by their Greater Daemons, they're like Unshaped in that way.
- Both time travel and resurrection could during the primordial war so say SWLiHN could have grabbed an Unshaped and used it as a Wyld-powered foretelling mechanism
- Even if Kairos did not notice because he was being mind controlled the other Changers of Ways and heck other daemons in general should have noticed that one of their main rivals was about to get exploded from the inside by an ancient ghost unless the ghost is at least somewhat resistent to precognition
The Primordials probably had their own time travelling Precognition charms at that point, contested by the Precogntion charms of the Exalted, and everything became a mess of recursive potential future timelines. Warp based precognition, at least, shows the potential timelines*, not one true future, as there is no one true future.
The Mask said he subverted multiple Changers of Ways. They could all have denied the validity of that potential future and instead said someone was spoofing their rivals with a simulated scene or that said rivals were lying in an attempt to discredit them. Kairos was an Exalted Greater Daemon, he could simply claim that suggestions he was subverted were a plot against him.
* this isn't just precog, the Warp can also be used as a portal to look into alternative presents and pasts.
If one posits exploitable unreliability for the Mask when it was manipulating Kairos why would it not have those advantages now against Lorgar's much weaker precog? After all precog is in no way linked to his mythos. To be clear I do not object to using precog in general, but I think that if we want to play chicken with him we have to vote for it, not count on pre-cog to give us the answers.
[X] Plan Psychic Powers and Psyching Out
-[X] Have Lorgar form a telepathic network amongst his marines as he did with the tribe against the Chaos Army, using Precognition to identify coming threats and to guide the army, while using Synergy with Lorgar and as many marines as he can so that Willpower and power a can be shared. Have Dharok psychoport around to kill some of the Wyldspawn and use Psychic Vampirism on others to regenerate Essence and use Willpower and use Synergy to give endangered marines Psychoportarion to jump out of particularly dangerous position. If given the opportunity Lorgar and Dharok should run to use True Faith to redeem some of the Wyldspawn.
-[X] Use the Telepathic link to watch for subversion attempts
-[X] Use Leadership and general strategic skills to guess at a believable place one could leave an opening for the Wyldspawn to get to Fan while also holding back a blow from Dharok (with Solar Hero Style) to put the thing in a clinch and remove it from play. See if you can bait the Mask of Winters into helping deal with the Wyldspawn. If it works hide behind his soldiers until the truce runs out then kill the weakened soldiers. If he does not move to save us Dharock, who has a primary focus for social rolls made in combat tries to guess if he is bluffing or if he just noticed our bluff.
-[X] Have Lorgar form a telepathic network amongst his marines as he did with the tribe against the Chaos Army, using Precognition to identify coming threats and to guide the army, while using Synergy with Lorgar and as many marines as he can so that Willpower and power a can be shared. Have Dharok psychoport around to kill some of the Wyldspawn and use Psychic Vampirism on others to regenerate Essence and use Willpower and use Synergy to give endangered marines Psychoportarion to jump out of particularly dangerous position. If given the opportunity Lorgar and Dharok should run to use True Faith to redeem some of the Wyldspawn.
-[X] Use the Telepathic link to watch for subversion attempts
-[X] Use Leadership and general strategic skills to guess at a believable place one could leave an opening for the Wyldspawn to get to Fan while also holding back a blow from Dharok (with Solar Hero Style) to put the thing in a clinch and remove it from play. See if you can bait the Mask of Winters into helping deal with the Wyldspawn. If it works hide behind his soldiers until the truce runs out then kill the weakened soldiers. If he does not move to save us Dharock, who has a primary focus for social rolls made in combat tries to guess if he is bluffing or if he just noticed our bluff.
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@DragonParadox, just a thought, but even if Precog doesn't work on the Mask it should on the random Wyldspawn, I think, making it easier to manufacture a scenario where Fan might be interrupted.
Also, if the Shard of Winter is listening I wonder if Lorgar can try to Gaslight him.
Last thought, Lorgar should also telepathically inspect his marines thoughts to watch for subversion attempts. I assume he used Rousing Speech on them in the previous scene.
Also, if the Shard of Winter is listening I wonder if Lorgar can try to Gaslight him.
Last thought, Lorgar should also telepathically inspect his marines thoughts to watch for subversion attempts. I assume he used Rousing Speech on them in the previous scene.
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