I get what you mean by cargo cultists especially the murder of inventors part but I'm pretty sure in 30K there is no other species other than the aldari who have better Tech than Golden Age mankind.

That would be remarkable if true, it was 65 million years between the end of the War in Heaven and humanity coming out of the caves. It is far more likely that countless alien species manages to rise to comparable or even greater heights than DAoT mankind and then were promptly crushed by the Eldar Empire, their gods and their reality engines, long long before they could colonize more than a handful of planets. I think the reason DaoT humanity was permitted to expand as far as it did was that by the time humans had invented the warp drive the Eldar were in terminal decline and did not even notice them.

Not even 500 years ago knowing nearly everything humans knew about say math was an achievement you could do in say 10 years tops. Now if you want to advance just Math you need a 5-8 years of advanced math training on top of years of basic math stuff like calculus. Now accelerated the required knowledge base by an additional 5,000 years. Now your looking at 40 years just to be considered a study just to be a basic math worker, and an additional 40 years to even hope to be advanced enough to discover something new as everything that does not require that level of time commitment has already been discovered.

You are projecting trends from the past into the future endlessly. If the people 500 years ago had done that there is no way they would have even been able to guess where we are now. To put it (hopefully) more humorously:

Well Jane yesterday you had zero husbands, today you have 1, I project that by the end of the month you will have 24
 
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Turn 5: In Man's image
Colchis - 831.M30

Thalassa takes a deep breath, her gaze steady. "I wish for the knowledge of a Dominus," she says, her voice firm and resolute.

You nod, feeling the weight of the moment. Channeling your power, you focus on Thalassa, willing her to receive the knowledge she desires. The air around you hums with energy, and a soft light envelops Thalassa. Her eyes close as she absorbs the influx of knowledge, her mind expanding to encompass the vast understanding of robotics and leadership.

After a few moments, the light fades, and Thalassa opens her eyes, a new intensity burning within them. She looks at the automata torso with renewed confidence and determination.

"Let's get to work," she says, her voice filled with purpose.

But as you work you hit more and more problems. Realizing the magnitude of the task at hand, you decide to extend your assistance beyond Thalassa. Her helpers, though skilled, could benefit from a deeper understanding of the intricate technology they are about to work on. Gathering them around, you prepare to grant them the knowledge needed to aid in the analysis and restoration of the automata.

"You've all shown great dedication and skill," you begin, looking at each of them in turn. "To make this process more efficient, I'm going to grant you some knowledge. It won't be as extensive as what Thalassa received, but it will be enough to help you contribute meaningfully to this project."

With a deep breath, with their affirmation, you focus your power, channeling it toward Thalassa's assistants. A soft glow envelops each of them as you share insights into the principles of robotics, advanced engineering techniques, and the fundamental workings of the automata. The energy pulses gently, infusing their minds with the understanding they need.

The glow fades, and the assistants blink, their expressions a mix of awe and newfound confidence. They look at each other, then back at you, clearly feeling the weight of their enhanced knowledge.

"Thank you," one of them says, his voice filled with gratitude. "We can already feel the difference. This will make a huge impact on our ability to contribute."

As the team sets to their assigned roles, you notice an immediate improvement in their approach. They handle the complex components with greater precision, understanding the nuances of each system with an almost instinctive ease. Their discussions are more informed, and their suggestions more insightful.

You observe them for a while, satisfied with the progress. The automata's restoration becomes a collaborative effort, with each person contributing significantly to the project. Thalassa leads them with the expertise of a Dominus, her instructions clear and confident, while her assistants bring their newly acquired knowledge to bear on the intricate task.

All of you spend the next several hours meticulously examining the automata torso. With their newfound knowledge, they identify key components and systems with ease. Thalassa explains the intricate details of the power source, the advanced cooling mechanism, and the sophisticated circuitry that controls the automata's functions.

"We need to rewire these circuits first," Thalassa says, pointing to a section of the automata's internal wiring. "Then we can focus on stabilizing the power source."

You nod, following her lead. Together, you carefully rewire the parts, using your combined skills to mend the intricate connections. Thalassa's expertise guides you through the process, her instructions clear and precise.

As you work, you infuse the automata with your essence, using your abilities to restore and enhance its damaged components.

"We're making progress," Thalassa says, a smile tugging at the corners of her lips. "But there's still much to do."

Days are compressed into hours as you and Thalassa continue your work. With each passing moment, the automaton becomes more and more functional. Thalassa's knowledge proves invaluable, allowing you to make significant strides in the restoration process.

Finally, after countless hours of labor, the automata stands before you, fully restored and operational. Thalassa steps back, admiring your work.

"We did it," she says, her voice filled with pride and satisfaction.

You nod, feeling a sense of accomplishment. "We did. But now we need to compile a complete and detailed report on the automata and its capabilities."

Over the next few days worth of time compressed into an hour, all of you document every aspect of the automata's design and function. You create detailed blueprints, outlining each component and system. Thalassa's knowledge of a Dominus allows her to provide insights into the automata's advanced technology, its potential applications, and how it can be further improved.

Automata Restoration Report

Overview
The automata in question, designated as Model CV-01, is a sophisticated machine built clearly for civilian applications. Our restoration and analysis efforts have uncovered that its primary functions revolve around public service and infrastructure support rather than military engagement. This document details the restoration process, the capabilities of the automata, and suggested areas for future improvements.​

Restoration Process
The restoration of Model CV-01 involved several key stages:

1. Initial Assessment:
- Conducted a thorough examination of the automata's physical and electronic components.
- Identified damaged areas and categorized them based on the severity and complexity of repairs needed.

2. Power Source Stabilization:
- Addressed issues with the energy conversion systems.
- Enhanced the cooling mechanisms to stabilize the power flow and prevent overheating.

3. Structural Repairs:
- Repaired and replaced damaged circuits and wiring.
- Reinforced the structural integrity of the chassis.

4. Functional Testing:
- Conducted a series of tests to ensure that each system was functioning correctly.
- Adjusted and calibrated sensory and mobility systems to optimal performance levels.

5. Knowledge Infusion:
- Granted Thalassa and her assistants specialized knowledge to aid in the restoration process.
- Ensured a cohesive team effort that significantly improved restoration efficiency and accuracy.

Capabilities
Model CV-01 has been designed with the following primary capabilities:

1. Public Safety and Assistance:
- Equipped with advanced sensory systems to detect environmental hazards and provide early warnings.
- Can assist in search and rescue operations during natural disasters.
- Features a communication interface for interaction with civilians, providing guidance and assistance in emergencies.

2. Infrastructure Maintenance:
- Built-in tools for minor repairs and maintenance of public infrastructure, such as roads, bridges, and utilities.
- Can perform routine inspections and report issues to relevant authorities.

3. Environmental Monitoring:
- Capable of monitoring air and water quality.
- Equipped with sensors to detect pollution levels and other environmental metrics.
- Can provide data to support environmental conservation efforts.

4. Healthcare Support:
- Features medical diagnostic tools to provide first aid and basic healthcare services.
- Can assist medical personnel in emergency situations, such as during mass casualty events.

Future Improvements
While Model CV-01 is fully functional and capable, there are several areas where further enhancements could be beneficial:

1. Energy Efficiency:
- Further optimization of the power consumption to extend operational periods without recharging.

2. Advanced Machine Spirit Integration:
- Incorporation of more sophisticated Machine Spirit to improve decision-making.

3. Expanded Communication Capabilities:
- Enhanced communication interfaces to interact with a broader range of devices and systems.

4. Modular Design:
- Development of modular components to easily upgrade and adapt the automata for various specific tasks.

Conclusion
The restoration of Model CV-01 has been a significant achievement, showcasing the potential of advanced robotics in civilian applications. This automata is poised to play a crucial role in public safety, infrastructure maintenance, environmental monitoring, and healthcare support. With further improvements, its capabilities can be expanded to better serve communities and contribute to the advancement of society.

As you finalize the report, Thalassa looks at you, gratitude and determination in her eyes.

"Thank you for believing in me," she says.

You smile, feeling a sense of camaraderie and shared purpose.

CHOICE
Having 5 is the Maximum benefit but it needs 5 x5 sux = 25 sux total to get that benefit.

You rolled 48 sux on 4 rolls at 9d10, difficulty 4. This is doubled with CCC so 96 sux.

So Distribute 19 dots in the complexity below.

BenefitComplexity (0 to 5)Remarks
Cost-effectivenessThis is the amount of reduction in the resources needed to make it
Alternative to Exotic ComponentsAlternatives to special and unique resources needed to make it or its components.
Production EaseHow easy it is to produce, reducing production time.
AdaptabilityHow easily it can be modified and adjusted to use in different situations
RepairHow easy it is to repair.
SafetyHow safe it is to use
Efficiency and PerformanceThe amount of fuel or other external resources it needs to work.
Environmental ImpactIts lasting impact on the Environment, such as a battlefield being easy or hard to clean up after the use of rad weapons etc. How much scorched earth it leaves behind basically.
InteroperabilityHow compatible it is with existing systems
SimplicityHow simple it is to use

[] Complexity
-[] (Write in the Benefits you want, each one below the other) (Write in the rating you want)

If you do not use a Benefit, I will assume it is not being taken and assign a 0 to it.
 
That would be remarkable if true, it was 65 million years between the end of the War in Heaven and humanity coming out of the caves. It is far more likely that countless alien species manages to rise to comparable or even greater heights than DAoT mankind and then were promptly crushed by the Eldar Empire, their gods and their reality engines, long long before they could colonize more than a handful of planets. I think the reason DaoT humanity was permitted to expand as far as it did was that by the time humans had invented the warp drive the Eldar were in terminal decline and did not even notice them.
The part of Dark Age of Technology Humanity being able to expand as far as they did because of the Eldar decline is true. It is also true that Humanity was willing to take what it could get the Dark age of Technology allow the invention of the warp drive but there were thousands of years of colonization before that on every World imaginable. Humanity was willing to get in where they fit in wherever they fucking needed to planets like Armageddon, Catachan, Nostromo, Nocturn along with thousands of other places on slow ship That kind of spread along with technological research on thousands of Worlds allowed the Golden Age of mankind to be an age where the only rival in technology was someone with a 64 million year Head Start.

The fact that that 64 million-year-old rival had essentially either genocided or completely collapsed or otherwise kneecaped any other Empire that came before humanity is not really Humanities problem we know they were culling the Orcs before they could become their war in heaven counterparts and the necrons went to sleep so they just had full rain to be the capricious fairies to every species in the galaxy.
 
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The fact that that 64 million-year-old rival had essentially either genocided or completely collapsed or otherwise kneecaped any other Empire that came before humanity is not really Humanities problem we know they were calling the Orcs before they could become their war in heaven counterparts and the necrons went to sleep so they just had full rain to be the capricious fairies to every species in the galaxy.
Another big thing is, Dark age of Technology has tech that is up to Crons grade, but it is a lot more insane than what the Crons would allow. This is something even mentioned because the Crons would rather have one place able to blow up stars. Compared to Star Suffiners that DAOT made use of.
 
So Distribute 19 dots in the complexity below.
1. Energy Efficiency:
- Further optimization of the power consumption to extend operational periods without recharging.
2. Advanced Machine Spirit Integration:
- Incorporation of more sophisticated Machine Spirit to improve decision-making.
3. Expanded Communication Capabilities:
- Enhanced communication interfaces to interact with a broader range of devices and systems.
4. Modular Design:
- Development of modular components to easily upgrade and adapt the automata for various specific tasks.
going to assume that energy efficiency is efficiency and performance while modular design is tied with adaptability, Interoperability & simplicity
so which complexity benefits would help with AMSC & ECC?
 
between adaptability, Interoperability & simplicity, how much does each help the modular design improvement that is recommended?
 
between adaptability, Interoperability & simplicity, how much does each help the modular design improvement that is recommended?
Each helps in different ways. As to how much you want, you need to decide and see the results. These are your first designs and you can expect to make MUCH better ones later.
 
[X] Complexity : NACAA and OSHA Approved
-[X] Cost-effectiveness 1
-[X] Alternative to Exotic Components 5
-[X] Production Ease 5
-[X] Repair 2
-[X] Safety 3
-[X] Efficiency and Performance 3

@Yzarc is this a valid vote or do I need to take off the name?
 
2. Infrastructure Maintenance:
- Built-in tools for minor repairs and maintenance of public infrastructure, such as roads, bridges, and utilities.
- Can perform routine inspections and report issues to relevant authorities.
4. Healthcare Support:
- Features medical diagnostic tools to provide first aid and basic healthcare services.
- Can assist medical personnel in emergency situations, such as during mass casualty events.
i see no way to improve sensor and if we upgrade commumuciations we are going to improve 2 of the 4 roles CV-01 has; what upgrades would improve these 2 roles?
would safety help with Healthcare support?
and would repair help or is it only useful to allow CV-01 self repair abilities? can Environmental Impact help with infrostructure maintenence?
 
The Mechanicus main problem is not lack of knowledge is that people die before learning everything, or die before fully training their successor. This is a major problem facing all ultra advanced civilization despite what some would think. If it take 200 year training to even have the knowledge to attempt to advance your tech, odds are your going to die before ever advancing your people knowledge base. If you need 400 years to research energy manipulation, and 200 years to study spacesuit design etc. At a certain point even cooperation between people of different field become impossible, as you need 50 years spent, working on just understand what the other people know, to even attempt to work together on new projects.

The Mechanicus has many, many problem. with producing DAoT equipment:

One is that they're a mystery cult that thinks that knowledge is sacred and needs to be protected and hidden from those not initiated into the inner circle of the cult.

One is that they're a cargo cult that prefers copying to innovation, and indeed officially believes that all worthwhile knowledge is derived from STCs, which were themselves built to support colonies as they started up, not to produce the full range of DAoT equipment and infrastucture, and that anything not derived from the STC is evil.

One is that a large amount of knowledge was simply lost during the Old Night

One is that they may have lost access to keystone pieces of knowledge or technology. They may know the full instructions on how to assemble a piece of technology and it components but not know how to make one of the materials and not have the fundamental understanding to find a substitute.

One is that some technology may have been developed by post human AI and be literally impossible to design and/or manufacture without super-human intelligence that even Magoses augmented to the maximum degree they can can't match. Like hoe in Exalted some artifacts require superhuman abilities to make.

That would be remarkable if true, it was 65 million years between the end of the War in Heaven and humanity coming out of the caves. It is far more likely that countless alien species manages to rise to comparable or even greater heights than DAoT mankind and then were promptly crushed by the Eldar Empire, their gods and their reality engines, long long before they could colonize more than a handful of planets. I think the reason DaoT humanity was permitted to expand as far as it did was that by the time humans had invented the warp drive the Eldar were in terminal decline and did not even notice them.

They explicitly did. In the Beast novels a Harlequin tells a human that the Eldar squished lots of

Another thing to note is that one reason the Eldar apparently fell is that they'd reached the top of the tech tree, including non-warptech, and there was nothing left for them to learn about the material universe. That's why Haemonunculi are so dangerous.

You are projecting trends from the past into the future endlessly. If the people 500 years ago had done that there is no way they would have even been able to guess where we are now. To put it (hopefully) more humorously:

Well Jane yesterday you had zero husbands, today you have 1, I project that by the end of the month you will have 24

It's quite possible they did have this problem, which is why they needed hyper intelligent AI.
 
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i see no way to improve sensor and if we upgrade commumuciations we are going to improve 2 of the 4 roles CV-01 has; what upgrades would improve these 2 roles?
would safety help with Healthcare support?
and would repair help or is it only useful to allow CV-01 self repair abilities? can Environmental Impact help with infrostructure maintenence?
If you want anything specific, you need a blueprint for sensors.

That said, the table is overall production and use. You will need to custom make V2s and so on, research new sensors etc to make specific improvements, for specific effect/uses.
 
Given this is a robot and the terrible cultural trauma that 30K trauma has lingering over them because of the AI rebellion, Im going to argue that Safety 5 and Environmental Impact 5 are critical.

Otherwise any collateral damage they cause could set back public acceptance terribly:

[X] Plan Safety First, Cost Second
- [X] Safety 5
- [X] Environmental Impact 5
- [X] Cost-effectiveness 5
- [X] Alternative to Exotic Components 1
- [X] Efficiency and Performance 3

We're also absolutely dirt poor. We currently have Resources 1.
 
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[X] Complexity : Only Recommended Improvements
-[X] Efficiency and Performance (5)
-[X] Adaptability (5)
-[X] Interoperability (5)
-[X] Simplicity (4)


[X] Complexity : most Recommended Improvements + lowered cost
-[X] Cost-effectiveness (2)
-[X] Alternative to Exotic Components (2)
-[X] Efficiency and Performance (5)
-[X] Adaptability (5)
-[X] Interoperability (5)


[X] Complexity : General upgrades
-[X] Cost-effectiveness (2)
-[X] Alternative to Exotic Components (2)
-[X] Production Ease (1)
-[X] Adaptability (2)
-[X] Repair (2)
-[X]Safety (2)
-[X] Efficiency and Performance (2)
-[X] Environmental Impact (2)
-[X] Interoperability (2)
-[X] Simplicity (2)


[X] Complexity : CHEAP
-[X] Cost-effectiveness (5)
-[X] Alternative to Exotic Components (5)
-[X] Production Ease (1)
-[X] Adaptability (1)
-[X] Repair (1)
-[X] Efficiency and Performance (5)
-[X] Interoperability (1)
 
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Actualy, @Yzarc, shouldn't be only have half-finished the robot research?
Normally yes, but a combination of, Repair with Pattern touch, reverse engineering and Dominius, means that you only need 1 AP to finish it, especially with CCC shaping it to end.

Also note that the robot is NOT complete. Only the blueprint.

Unlike the Armor, you only have the blueprint as the robot's lower half has yet to be built.
 
Normally yes, but a combination of, Repair with Pattern touch, reverse engineering and Dominius, means that you only need 1 AP to finish it, especially with CCC shaping it to end.

Also note that the robot is NOT complete. Only the blueprint.

Unlike the Armor, you only have the blueprint as the robot's lower half has yet to be built.

As the lower half is missing, would we need the Crippling option for Wholeness Rightly Assured to restore it?
 
[X] Complexity : General upgrades
-[X] Cost-effectiveness (2)
-[X] Alternative to Exotic Components (2)
-[X] Production Ease (1)
-[X] Adaptability (2)
-[X] Repair (2)
-[X]Safety (2)
-[X] Efficiency and Performance (2)
-[X] Environmental Impact (2)
-[X] Interoperability (2)
-[X] Simplicity (2)
 
As the lower half is missing, would we need the Crippling option for Wholeness Rightly Assured to restore it?
Crippling works on people whose blood has the "blueprints" to do so. Note that the Charm specifically does not repair machine parts that are missing.

That said? Getting a complete blueprint is easy and you can do a conventional repair.
 
Crippling works on people whose blood has the "blueprints" to do so. Note that the Charm specifically does not repair machine parts that are missing.

That said? Getting a complete blueprint is easy and you can do a conventional repair.

Ah, I'd seen that Pattern Reassertion Touch had the limitation (just as it can't replace missing limbs), but had assumed that Wholeness Rightness Assumed relaxed that. Machines have a metaphysical 'design' just as much as Creation humans do, was my thought.

Does Wholeness Rightly Assumed do anything to extend the functionality of the charm with respect to objects?
 
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[X] Complexity : General upgrades
-[X] Cost-effectiveness (2)
-[X] Alternative to Exotic Components (2)
-[X] Production Ease (1)
-[X] Adaptability (2)
-[X] Repair (2)
-[X]Safety (2)
-[X] Efficiency and Performance (2)
-[X] Environmental Impact (2)
-[X] Interoperability (2)
-[X] Simplicity (2)
 
I've said this above, but we really shouldn't underestimate how much terror and hatred apparently autonomous machines inspire in 30K humanity.

They trigger very deep cultural trauma and phobias. We can't take any risks with this. I'm tempted to say that, seeing as our entire strategy to defeat the Covenant is dependent on recruiting the underclass, that we shouldn't make any use of them whatsoever because it gives the Covenant's priests a trivially easy message to use to discredit us.

If we do use them, the top priority is to make than as absolutely safe and non-threatening as possible.

A second factor is cost. We're incredibly poor. We have Resources 1. We're already likely to need some very expensive war machines to fight the war. We simply can't afford to deploy robots if they aren't as cheap as possible. We have no mines, no refineries, no factories. Every one has to be hand made starting from sand, air and water.
 
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