Is True Faith possible without backing of a God?

How does God creation work in exalted? Can a Philosophy or Ideal like Imperial truth Manifest as God or is it Similar like Alaya in type moon aka human order?
World of Darkness True Faith is independent from divinity it arises from a rock solid belief in some truth that it will protect you raise you up and make you more than what you are this inherently attracts people that are of religious background but this truth does not have to be religious. Mages from completely atheistic backgrounds are capable of having the Merit.

Gods in exalted are a function of the world or rather the beings and parts of the world they arise when things are created or remade or reformed or they are made whole cloth by greater gods or greater exalted or the primordials. The gods in exalted are a mix between Shinto Chinese Heavenly bureaucracy and Greek they're little nearly non sentient things to greater than human in both thought processes and Powers.
 
Interesting Lorgar believed in Emperor's Divinity. So what I understand using exalted terms we can use Fremework of that Faith and synthesis with Imperial truth and Omnissah Religion to create a God? It sounds for close to Type moon Alaya and Human order now I think about it. According to Emperor there is no God and Human logic snd Innovation is Supreme. It is same way as Human reason slowly remove supernatural by dissecting it using Human Reason and Logic. Exalted sorcery must be an exception because it is tied to reality rather than warp.

Will such Entity influence Living Emperor in some way?
 
The Emperor is not going to be influenced like that or any way by beings in the warp and out of it unless he wants it to. To clarify, this means magic influence or reality warping.

You can still talk to him and convince him otherwise but no UMI.
Does Worship or Faith have no effect on A God particularly on Personality and domain?

If Imperial Truth/ominissah Manifest as God what will Emperor do? That is after all his plan.
 
Does Worship or Faith have no effect on A God particularly on Personality and domain?

If Imperial Truth/ominissah Manifest as God what will Emperor do? That is after all his plan.
It does but the Emperor is complicated. But this is getting pretty off topic. I am willing to answer questions related to the quest but this is canon information. It should be available in the Wiki. But feel free to ask about the quest or discuss something related to it.
 
Is it possible for us to get our hands on other Primarchs using lorgar as a focus for Divination or he can only able to raise lorgar no one else?
 
Is it possible for us to get our hands on other Primarchs using lorgar as a focus for Divination or he can only able to raise lorgar no one else?
In theory, yes. But the Emperor will be arriving in 27 years. Your world is currently in the feudal level of technology. So you would need to go from feudal to intersteller levels of technology in 27 years.

It is possible, but if you want to make your own Realms of Ultramar to be able to negotiate with the Emperor, you will have to give up on stuff. Even otherwise, each of the Primarches have already landed, so they are already being influenced and what you can do with them is limited due to the Emperor arriving.
 
How difficult a Sorcerous Working would removing the Butcher's Nails be? Assuming we had an appropriate Path like Healing.

Also, since we have SB&W, could we try binding the lesser spirits of the Covenant to question them about stuff? Or did the Spirits removing the Chaos traps mean we don't know how to summon Daemons?
 
In theory, yes. But the Emperor will be arriving in 27 years. Your world is currently in the feudal level of technology. So you would need to go from feudal to intersteller levels of technology in 27 years.

It is possible, but if you want to make your own Realms of Ultramar to be able to negotiate with the Emperor, you will have to give up on stuff. Even otherwise, each of the Primarches have already landed, so they are already being influenced and what you can do with them is limited due to the Emperor arriving.
Only thing Emperor wants more than anything is True killing demon on a industrial scale and Non Warp FTl and Comm. Is it possible to invent those with in 27 years?
 
How difficult a Sorcerous Working would removing the Butcher's Nails be? Assuming we had an appropriate Path like Healing.

Also, since we have SB&W, could we try binding the lesser spirits of the Covenant to question them about stuff? Or did the Spirits removing the Chaos traps mean we don't know how to summon Daemons?
Depends.

Just removing it? Not very. You may not even need a Working and just use the Path.

The issue is that the nails became mystically imposed on the Primarch's soul. It became such a fundamental part of Angron's mythos that even becoming a daemon prince did not remove it. Heck even Sanguineous ripped it out of him at the Eternity Gates, when Angron respawned, it came back.

So to truly remove it and restore Angron? Celestial Working minimum.
Only thing Emperor wants more than anything is True killing demon on a industrial scale and Non Warp FTl and Comm. Is it possible to invent those with in 27 years?
No comment here, just that it is very much not simple. You cannot use Workings to do this without some extreme steps. But there are non Warp FLT, but those have issues of being very slow.

So try and attempt this IC. I am not saying you cannot, but just don't expect this to be easy or quick.
 
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Only thing Emperor wants more than anything is True killing demon on a industrial scale and Non Warp FTl and Comm. Is it possible to invent those with in 27 years?
I mean if the men of stone are on this planet there is a non-zero chance of finding a necron ship and being able to use magic to make it habitable while using the necron's own FTL which breaks the non-warp FTL problem in half. But there's a lot of contrivances there because Humanity just straight up didn't have a faster than light drive to begin with so a version needs to be stolen and I know the necron faster than light drive is fatal to humans without some kind of shielding but it doesn't rely on the warp.
 
Same incase of Curze's mental health?
Therapy. Lots of Therapy.
Necron FLT is also very slow in intersteller distances, nowhere near as fast as Warp travel. That was why they broke into the Webway.
Also, since we have SB&W, could we try binding the lesser spirits of the Covenant to question them about stuff? Or did the Spirits removing the Chaos traps mean we don't know how to summon Daemons?
There are no "lesser spirits" only daemons. You would need to raid a Covenant black site and get a book of names if you want to summon them. Though keep in mind that right now, the Covenant is positive to the point that they kicked out Kor Pharon for being too Zelous in converting people to the faith. So there would not be a lot of that going around.

That will change later once you get started.
 
Is Feeding souls of chaos Cultists and Daemons to World spirit is a valid way to turn it it into anti-chaos version of Certain world like ember quest?
 
Therapy. Lots of Therapy.

Necron FLT is also very slow in intersteller distances, nowhere near as fast as Warp travel. That was why they broke into the Webway.

There are no "lesser spirits" only daemons. You would need to raid a Covenant black site and get a book of names if you want to summon them. Though keep in mind that right now, the Covenant is positive to the point that they kicked out Kor Pharon for being too Zelous in converting people to the faith. So there would not be a lot of that going around.

That will change later once you get started.
Yeah I kind of knew the Necrons FTL wasn't particularly fast but it's the only one I know of that doesn't rely on the warp at all even the Tau which is considerably slower than the Necrons still uses warp skimming. Just being able to analyze even a little bit even if you have to use a fuck ton of terrestrial workings to slowly but surely tease out all the psychometric and actual physical information on how they built their FTL drives would give a treasure trove and a large amount of leeway in trying to make your own version that doesn't rely on the warp that you can make faster using sorcery or something similar never mind having to make it survivable for meat beings which requires sorcery as well.
 
Is Feeding souls of chaos Cultists and Daemons to World spirit is a valid way to turn it it into anti-chaos version of Certain world like ember quest?
A quick way to get a daemon world you mean. When dealing with chaos, don't. Well unless you are an infernal Exalted. Just be sure to get the anti-Unnatural mental influence charms.
 
Depends.

Just removing it? Not very. You may not even need a Working and just use the Path.

The issue is that the nails became mystically imposed on the Primarch's soul. It became such a fundamental part of Angron's mythos that even becoming a daemon prince did not remove it. Heck even Sanguineous ripped it out of him at the Eternity Gates, when Angron respawned, it came back.

So to truly remove it and restore Angron? Celestial Working minimum.
Would the fact that Angron was successfully resisting the influence of the Nails up until the Emperor got all his loved ones killed to prove a point make it less hard, assuming we manage to keep that crisis event from happening (possible since it takes 42 years to find Angron after Lorgar)?
Conrad Curze is a mad prophet that grew up in a shit hole the only way you can use magic to fix him is the same way you could use mind control to fix him. The Night Hunter specifically went out of his way to choose the path he walked and denied any that might walk against that path.
Counterpoint, Konrad isn't discovered until 39 years after Lorgar, so if we can find him faster, we might be able to catch up with him before he goes fully off the deep end. We almost certainly won't be able to parent him but we might be able to mitigate the damage. Especially since we can probably teach him to better control his visions.
Therapy. Lots of Therapy.

Necron FLT is also very slow in intersteller distances, nowhere near as fast as Warp travel. That was why they broke into the Webway.

There are no "lesser spirits" only daemons. You would need to raid a Covenant black site and get a book of names if you want to summon them. Though keep in mind that right now, the Covenant is positive to the point that they kicked out Kor Pharon for being too Zelous in converting people to the faith. So there would not be a lot of that going around.

That will change later once you get started.
Yeah, I know that but we IC don't know. I was trying to indicate that I'd want to start with a Fury or maybe a Nurgling, as opposed to a Herald or Keeper of Secrets. On the subject of Necron FTL, because of how it works it's actually faster over longer distances, though it is comparatively slow over shorter ones if we ignore the inherent unreliability of Warp travel and the advantages "none of our ships got eaten or didn't show up for 500 years because the warp was uncooperative" grants such empire building concerns as logistics.

Digression time:
Gods in exalted are a function of the world or rather the beings and parts of the world they arise when things are created or remade or reformed or they are made whole cloth by greater gods or greater exalted or the primordials. The gods in exalted are a mix between Shinto Chinese Heavenly bureaucracy and Greek they're little nearly non sentient things to greater than human in both thought processes and Powers.
Expanding on this, the primary reason the Primordials made gods is because Creation doesn't have a natural Veil. The Wyld (which, as previously mentioned can be thought of as analogous to the Warp) is just out there if you walk far enough. Continuing to exist then requires an active exertion of Will, and making things play by consistent rules is an even more complicated endeavor. The Primordials, when creating a Glorious Cosmic Xbox decided to resolve that issue by making gods. Everything in Creation from the smallest grain of sand to the tallest mountain has a god whose job it is to make sure things keep working the way they're supposed to instead of getting eaten by the chaotic influence of the Wyld. The vast majority of these gods are Least Gods, incredibly weak, a bit dumber (and significantly slower) than a dog, their only job is to just sit on their personal blade of grass and go "yes, this is a blade of grass. It is green and needs sunlight. It can be eaten by cows and it definitely exists." Some gods are gods of bigger or more abstract things like a mountain or a road or the concept of artificial flight and their job is mainly to manage the least gods, make sure no one without the right paperwork starts twisting the laws of nature and generally maintain their domain on a macro scale. Of course with their greater power and intellect, these gods were pretty quick to invent politics and slacking.
 
Would the fact that Angron was successfully resisting the influence of the Nails up until the Emperor got all his loved ones killed to prove a point make it less hard, assuming we manage to keep that crisis event from happening (possible since it takes 42 years to find Angron after Lorgar)?
Celestial regardless. I would argue that it became a fundamental part of his mythos the moment he killed his father under its influence.
Yeah, I know that but we IC don't know. I was trying to indicate that I'd want to start with a Fury or maybe a Nurgling, as opposed to a Herald or Keeper of Secrets. On the subject of Necron FTL, because of how it works it's actually faster over longer distances, though it is comparatively slow over shorter ones if we ignore the inherent unreliability of Warp travel and the advantages "none of our ships got eaten or didn't show up for 500 years because the warp was uncooperative" grants such empire building concerns as logistics.
OOC: You will need names to summon demons or put out a call and see what bites. This is very random and you can roll an Exalted Greater Daemon if you are really unlucky.

A book of names is a much safer option and there is a lot of Chaos lore on the planet. It is just that as the Covenant is the dominant religion, they have never been desperate enough to resort to it.

IC: You do not know about the Servants of Chaos, only that the 4 are "Prophets". Propaganda essentially. You know that the warp is filled with predators but as you were not a psyker, you do not know if they are intelligent or not, and have no reason to try.
 
A quick way to get a daemon world you mean. When dealing with chaos, don't. Well unless you are an infernal Exalted. Just be sure to get the anti-Unnatural mental influence charms.
Getting a anti Chaos world spirit that focused on feeding Daemons and cultists souls best way to get Emperor to Agree. Particularly with both of FTL projects are not achievable in near future. There were anti warp defense in exalted. Can we not implant them to world spirit?
 
Getting a anti Chaos world spirit that focused on feeding Daemons and cultists souls best way to get Emperor to Agree. Particularly with both of FTL projects are not achievable in near future. There were anti warp defense in exalted. Can we not implant them to world spirit?
Yes, as your caste Yozi is She who lives in her name, who has issues with the Wyld (Warp also applies), even if you were not trying, the Worldspirit that you make will have anti-wyld/warp properties.

The feeding chaos demons part will not work out. The spirit will eventually become corrupt.

Keep in mind that the Worldspirit represents the life on the planet and Living things? They evolve.
 
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If we want to consume the Warp and make some kind of non-Warp power it will take some serious artifact forging, Reality Engine tier. I am not even sure one Celestial Exalt on his own can make that without Terrestrial Assistants/Engineers.
 
Counterpoint, Konrad isn't discovered until 39 years after Lorgar, so if we can find him faster, we might be able to catch up with him before he goes fully off the deep end. We almost certainly won't be able to parent him but we might be able to mitigate the damage. Especially since we can probably teach him to better control his visions.
Yeah Konrad despite how fast or slow he was found primarchs grow to maturity insanely quickly he started his life eating people and his life quickly went downhill from there I don't think we can get to him fast enough I don't think anyone is going to be able to get to him fast enough because he's the night haunter for at least a decade before he's found and Nostromo despite having someone like him prowling everywhere is still a shit hole. The Hive of Endless Night is a hell hole of crime and villainy for no apparent reason by the way it's not like it's anywhere near anything of importance it's just evil for some reason.
 
Yes, as your caste Yozi is She who lives in her name, who has issues with the Wyld (Warp also applies), even if you were not trying, the Worldspirit that you make will have anti-wyld/warp properties.

The feeding chaos demons part will not work out. The spirit will eventually become corrupt.

Keep in mind that the Worldspirit represents the life on the planet and Living things? They evolve.
Is it possible for World to Embody concept of your Caste Patron far more Than which is normal? I mean she is principle of Order so getting world spirit subsume other planet's also possible using same mythology.

Will such spirit influence its inhabitants physically and spiritually?
 
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Is it possible for World to Embody concept of your Caste Patron far more Than which us normal? I mean she us principle of Order so getting world spirit subsume other planet's also possible using same mythology.

Will such spirit influence its inhabitants physically and spiritually?
Think of Worldspirits as the soul of the planet you are living on. Some are more active while some barely exist. Similar to how some people are Psykers to various degrees while others do not have any Psyker powers.

That said, most Worldspirits can only manifest as weather Phenomena naturally and when you channel them. That is why the Whitescars Psykers are called Stormseers and why the Space Wolves call them as Frost and Blizzards. So fundamentally, a Worldsoul can only Manifest as Weather Patterns.

Also keep in mind that naturally forming Worldspirits are RARE outside of Eldar Maiden Worlds that the Eldar make them to protect their souls

So what you are asking for is the same "soul" to occupy multiple bodies. It is possible but not worth attempting as too many things can go wrong and the spirit can end up getting corrupted.
 
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