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Earth Bet: House of the Sun (Cultist Simulator/Worm)

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Good ol' Theresa is always delightful.

Still, a question @Witherbrine26. Your game, your rules, so this is really just a curiosity of how the mechanics will diverge.

I understand we already summoned a creature. So can we also summon the Baldomerian? Has the knowledge of a three-circle ritual been completely waived, in the sense it is not beyond the Stag Door equivalent?

(Or did our Master teach us how to do three circle rituals? I am not completely caught up to the story, and for thati apologize)

I just ask because allowing summonings (especially Name summoning) without forcing players to reach a Level 3 in at least one Lore (and also reach the next Door) is an intriguing decision in my pov.
 
@Witherbrine26 Theresa's ritual page still mentions the Secret Library from Bird's quest under Weight of Presence.

Guest99 said:
We're one off levelling Grail and Heart as well, I believe, and I'm pretty sure we have the books in our Cults library to get all those scraps without over-relying on Lady Mylissa, or maybe just take a lesson from Charlotte. After that, it may be worth looking into the Wax Trail, see if we can get through that fine.
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We do still have to actually successfully summon a Lantern spirit and create a ritual. And considering our chances of successfully summoning Theresa is, uh, bad to say the least (esp. with a 100 Fund cost), I think we should still go looking for more spirits.

Alex Sol said:
Orchad of Light with its Maids-in-the-Mirror is another location in White Planes. If we summon MitM we can sacrifice it for Baldomarian summon later.
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I don't think the Maids-in-the-Mirror are generally known for populating the Orchard of Lights? They're usually around the Ascent of Knives past the Stag Door, aren't they?
 
H2F2 said:
In the next turn, we should definitely take 3 lessons. The master may be annoyed, but this is our reward and we will take it without hesitation.
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Considering who we just found she'll probably be fine with it. ...If you want to find something, we now have the best possible option. Though actually summoning her is... a problem. One we probably can't surmount currently. Not without something for Lantern, at the least.
 
BirdBodhisattva said:
I just ask because allowing summonings (especially Name summoning) without forcing players to reach a Level 3 in at least one Lore (and also reach the next Door) is an intriguing decision in my pov.
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On the flip side, knowing how to do it doesn't actually make us good enough to do it, considering our slower Lore progression here and the fact that an attempt is almost two full months of income even with the cult supplementing it. Can't really brute force it just by trying lots of times :V
 
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Greymere said:
On the flip side, knowing how to do it doesn't actually make us good enough to do it, considering our slower Lore progression here and the fact that an attempt is almost two full months of income even with the cult supplementing it. Can't really brute force it just by trying lots of times :V
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Oh, absolutely. And to be clear, this really is just a "workshop talk" question.

Because now that qm has "allowed" us to summon Theresa, we are motivated to do so. And since he isnt stonewalling summons behind "climb the Mansus more", we will endeavor to summon Baldomerian at the expense of climbing (since AP is a limjted resource).

There is absolutely nothing wrong with this. But this gives us more insight on what QM wants or expects from players. Which in turn allows us to make decisions that will lead to a story QM wants to write, which causes everyone to win.

So, again, just curious. Wanting to peek into a QMs head is a familiar thing, i suppose.
 
Probably need to avoid taking wounds for a bit, just to heal up. We still have 4 wounds, but at 3 we're half-dead, so it's probably, uh, noticeable.

Greymere said:
I don't think the Maids-in-the-Mirror are generally known for populating the Orchard of Lights? They're usually around the Ascent of Knives past the Stag Door, aren't they?
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There is probably a (different) lantern summon on this level, though. I doubt Lady Mylissa expects us to successfully summon a Name so quickly.
 
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BirdBodhisattva said:
Good ol' Theresa is always delightful.

Still, a question @Witherbrine26. Your game, your rules, so this is really just a curiosity of how the mechanics will diverge.

I understand we already summoned a creature. So can we also summon the Baldomerian? Has the knowledge of a three-circle ritual been completely waived, in the sense it is not beyond the Stag Door equivalent?

(Or did our Master teach us how to do three circle rituals? I am not completely caught up to the story, and for thati apologize)

I just ask because allowing summonings (especially Name summoning) without forcing players to reach a Level 3 in at least one Lore (and also reach the next Door) is an intriguing decision in my pov.
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Theresa is delightful indeed.

As for summoning yes you can, it's going to be much harder of course but it is technically possible (Going by some basic math the chance of you hitting the Lantern DC is 46% chance, not counting for the other principles) and costs 100 Funds for each attempt. So it's both pricy and unlikely to succeed, but you can if you want to.

Yes Lady Mylissa taught three circle rituals, one of the advantages of being the ritual guy with a nicer Master is that she's willing to help. One of those helpings was teaching the three circle summoning ritual.

Lastly is that you need to reach higher Lore levels if you want to have a better chance at summoning and they help with pretty much everything else. The best way to get them is by exploring the Mansus (I mean this is three scraps for a single action.) If you want to not do that you can, its just going to make your life a lot harder.

Greymere said:
@Witherbrine26 Theresa's ritual page still mentions the Secret Library from Bird's quest under Weight of Presence.
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Greymere said:
@Witherbrine26 Theresa's ritual page still mentions the Secret Library from Bird's quest under Weight of Presence.


We do still have to actually successfully summon a Lantern spirit and create a ritual. And considering our chances of successfully summoning Theresa is, uh, bad to say the least (esp. with a 100 Fund cost), I think we should still go looking for more spirits.


I don't think the Maids-in-the-Mirror are generally known for populating the Orchard of Lights? They're usually around the Ascent of Knives past the Stag Door, aren't they?
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Huh. I for some reason thought that Mare-in-the-Light from pony quest was direct Maid analogue due to how similar they are named, but apparently it is not the case. Actual Lantern/Edge summon called Hint and I think there is no direct mention of its whereabouts. Still its most likely either Orchad or Chamber of ways.
 
Speaking of rituals and our ability to perform them.

Considering ritual sites' ability to boost ritual rolls and the cadre bonus's insane scaling in this quest, I strongly suspect we won't be getting the ability to create reagents at-will. Cause those numbers together would be... kind of nuts? I mean, just the cellar bonus + the cadre makes us capable of Calling strong Heart/Moth/Grail Influences even at only Level 1 or Level 2.
 
Witherbrine26 said:
Theresa is delightful indeed.

As for summoning yes you can, it's going to be much harder of course but it is technically possible (Going by some basic math the chance of you hitting the Lantern DC is 46% chance, not counting for the other principles) and costs 100 Funds for each attempt. So it's both pricy and unlikely to succeed, but you can if you want to.

Yes Lady Mylissa taught three circle rituals, one of the advantages of being the ritual guy with a nicer Master is that she's willing to help. One of those helpings was teaching the three circle summoning ritual.

Lastly is that you need to reach higher Lore levels if you want to have a better chance at summoning and they help with pretty much everything else. The best way to get them is by exploring the Mansus (I mean this is three scraps for a single action.) If you want to not do that you can, its just going to make your life a lot harder.


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I wish you the best of luck in convincing your players to climb the damn Mansus.
And i have good suggestions for hair products, if they decide to ignore you and you start pulling your hair out :V

Thank you for the answer! And of course, also for writing for us!
 
BirdBodhisattva said:
I wish you the best of luck in convincing your players to climb the damn Mansus.
And i have good suggestions for hair products, if they decide to ignore you and you start pulling your hair out :V

Thank you for the answer! And of course, also for writing for us!
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Hey, we have actually been exploring the Mansus here! Mostly because we don't have any servants to fuel our book-lust and our income kind of sucks but. Details, details.
 
BirdBodhisattva said:
I wish you the best of luck in convincing your players to climb the damn Mansus.
And i have good suggestions for hair products, if they decide to ignore you and you start pulling your hair out :V

Thank you for the answer! And of course, also for writing for us!
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At least no one is saying that we should reject the mansus entirely.
We have been pretty good about pushing forwards so far (although that has been at least partially driven by mandates from the boss).
 
Just reiterating this, since people seemed to ignore it the first time I said it, we have plenty of ways to get the last Lore scraps we need that don't involve poking Lady Mylissa. We can learn from Charlotte, use the Cult library, or go explore the Mansus again, heck, Mansus exploration is explicitly the best way to learn Lore! We don't need to poke Lady Mylissa three times for three scraps of Lore we could easily get from our other sources.
 
Guest99 said:
Just reiterating this, since people seemed to ignore it the first time I said it, we have plenty of ways to get the last Lore scraps we need that don't involve poking Lady Mylissa. We can learn from Charlotte, use the Cult library, or go explore the Mansus again, heck, Mansus exploration is explicitly the best way to learn Lore! We don't need to poke Lady Mylissa three times for three scraps of Lore we could easily get from our other sources.
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On the one hand, you're absolutely right. On the other, if we're backing Mylissa to the hilt, I could see us wanting to be in her presence as much as possible.
 
Guest99 said:
Just reiterating this, since people seemed to ignore it the first time I said it, we have plenty of ways to get the last Lore scraps we need that don't involve poking Lady Mylissa. We can learn from Charlotte, use the Cult library, or go explore the Mansus again, heck, Mansus exploration is explicitly the best way to learn Lore! We don't need to poke Lady Mylissa three times for three scraps of Lore we could easily get from our other sources.
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Mansus exploration unfortunately doesn't help if the thing we want to scraps for is Mansus checks. Winter and Lantern, so we don't bleed ourselves to death on the White Door. Secret Histories, for finding new spirits. And those three are, of course, the Lores that we can't gain from the Library because they're only Level 1. So, lessons.

Grail can certainly wait a bit, though, and we can indeed apparently just get a Heart scrap from Charlotte.

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[Understanding the White Door DC: 70] [Roll: 26+8(Learning)+10(Lantern)+10(Winter) = 54]
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@Witherbrine26 On the topic of Lantern and Winter for the Door, is this intended to be a double-Knowledge check?

I meant to ask this earlier, but I forgor :V
 
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I think we could probably pass if we just use Attention of the Laws for both Winter and Lantern, which should, in turn, give us the last scraps we need to level those up once we pass the check.

To my understanding, the only limit to Attention of the Laws is we can't boost the same Lore more than once, so with both doubled, the check should be fairly easy.
 
Guest99 said:
I think we could probably pass if we just use Attention of the Laws for both Winter and Lantern, which should, in turn, give us the last scraps we need to level those up once we pass the check.

To my understanding, the only limit to Attention of the Laws is we can't boost the same Lore more than once, so with both doubled, the check should be fairly easy.
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AotL only works for the Application bonus, not the Knowledge bonus. Hence why I was asking about if the Door was a Knowledge check for both Winter and Lantern. And since they are, AotL won't help us here, only leveling up Winter/Lantern.
 
H2F2 said:
Is it possible to indicate our answer in advance in the voting if the verification of understanding fails?
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You could add a -[Go Through] or something similar under the White Door vote during planning if you want.
Greymere said:
AotL only works for the Application bonus, not the Knowledge bonus. Hence why I was asking about if the Door was a Knowledge check for both Winter and Lantern.
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Yes, all Mansus checks are Knowledge unless said otherwise.
 
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