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DOOM - Rip and Tear, Eternally
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dash931
Conil
Not even really the methods. He just wants the infrastructure intact so they can go back to exploiting hell for its resources after this is all over, where Doom Marine disagrees with that being a good idea at all.
Joviwan
LOAD. AIM. SHOOT.
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- He/Him
So, re: Story
It seems to me, after completing the story and finding all the demon journals, that the Doom Marine may actually be one of the Night Sentinels, rather than the same Marine from Doom 1/2/64 as hypothesized by the spoilers previously posted before the game came out. Did anyone else pick up on any details that might suggest otherwise, or further confirm the idea?
We could argue that he seems to understand English just fine, though when you first put on the praetor suit there's clearly a live translation thing taking place on the HUD, which may also apply to audio, as well as the demon language.
We could argue that he seems to understand English just fine, though when you first put on the praetor suit there's clearly a live translation thing taking place on the HUD, which may also apply to audio, as well as the demon language.
GilliamYaeger
M'crazy.
Well, the demons DO say that the Doomguy has travelled through time in the same segment where he gets his armor, so its possible he just hung out with them for a while.
"And in his terrible rancor between worlds and through time, the Hell Walker found the wretch who shall not be named, but in his heresy was loyal to his evil cause. The wretch adorned the Doom Slayer in a mighty armor, wrought in the forges of Hell, impenetrable and unyielding. With sword and shield of adamantine strength, the Doom Slayer set to banishing all that were left unbroken by his savagery to the void."
Joviwan
LOAD. AIM. SHOOT.
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Hm, you have a point. The wording is interesting, too, because the only other time they use "wretch," I think, is in the description of the traitor that sold out the night sentinel's world. I could be misremembering, though.
What makes me wonder is a once-mentioned character:
The demonic ally that apparently made the Praetor suit. He's only mentioned once... but the impact on the story - given how potent Doomguy in his armor is - is undeniable. Plus, I wonder if said wretch also had a hand in making the Crucible, given what Hayden does with it at the end, and that it was guarded even more strongly than Doomguy's oubliette. (After all, Hayden and his backup reached the tomb, while Doomguy was the one to claim the Crucible from Hell.) It would make the mention of a Sword in the litany GilliamYaegar mentions into a literal fact rather than a metaphor... even if I can't imagine Doomguy swinging a sword around all that often. (He's more a chainsaw guy.)
ArchAIngel
Sorcerer Supreme.
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Well, to be fair, he's seen what happens to those that try and kill DoomMarine. Given he's not stupid, even if he wanted you dead, he wouldn't kill you.
GilliamYaeger
M'crazy.
That and his goals are much easier if you're alive, after all. Hell can't invade if they've all been murdered by Doomguy after all, and he knows that if Argent energy causes another invasion Doomguy'll come to the rescue because that's what he does.
Well, swords work surprisingly well in Doom.
dash931
Conil
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spoilers in a doom thread? kek XD
anyways I'd still describe Hayden as an antagonist/villain solely for the fact that he knew about all the crazy things the people under him were doing (the cult worship, ritualistic sacrifices, selling their own souls) and not doing anything to cut it off. Basically if he had been proactive in his companies doing they could've probably headed off this whole thing, but nooooope. Lets let all the people who can be corrupted worship these things no problemo.
Really no matter how much he tries to play it off as "mankinds best interest" he really seems to just want the power that he can get from Hell.
anyways I'd still describe Hayden as an antagonist/villain solely for the fact that he knew about all the crazy things the people under him were doing (the cult worship, ritualistic sacrifices, selling their own souls) and not doing anything to cut it off. Basically if he had been proactive in his companies doing they could've probably headed off this whole thing, but nooooope. Lets let all the people who can be corrupted worship these things no problemo.
Really no matter how much he tries to play it off as "mankinds best interest" he really seems to just want the power that he can get from Hell.
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Probably played Portal when he was younger and took GLaDOS' words of wisdom to heart
One thing that made me intrigued about Hayden is the fact that his personality of "well-intentioned extremist" does not come out too blatant or too dramatic unlike the product that does so. It's very subtle, yet executed very well. He acknowledges the tastelessness of exploiting Hell for the betterment of mankind, and he respects the deeds of Doomguy for saving his race a lot of times. And at the end, when he gets what he wants, instead of backstabbing Doomguy like we would expect, he sends the Slayer to another place where he can't become an obstacle to his projects.
But considering the properties of the Argent energy and what the Crucible can do, there's a chance of Haynes becoming an outright villain in the sequel.
But considering the properties of the Argent energy and what the Crucible can do, there's a chance of Haynes becoming an outright villain in the sequel.
GilliamYaeger
M'crazy.
I don't think he really had much of a choice in the matter - once he realized the full extent of what was going on he was almost certainly the only sane man in a base full of madmen, who'd have been all too happy to kill him if he tried making waves. While his full-body cybernetic enhancements seem to have shielded him from whatever drove the rest of the base personnel insane, judging from how quickly she locks him out of all the security in-game Olivia must have moved to secure power fairly effectively. He probably thought that she was just making some kind of power play at first rather than being actually demonically possessed, since by his own words his faith in her prevented him from realizing what she was really doing or taking action until it was too late.
I'd say that its more incompetence/ignorance of Hells capabilities rather than deliberate malice/apathy.
He also doesn't seem to be very good with people at all, so that probably contributed too.
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I actually hope he doesn't become an outright antagonist.
In regards to the crazypants in his company, the only teleported we see is the one in the tomb, and the one he installed on Doom Marine. The chanting might have been necessary to gain access to demons; Olivia was head of the bio division, was she not? Her team probably started out just doing the rituals like a process, and we're slowly corrupted into true believers.
In regards to the crazypants in his company, the only teleported we see is the one in the tomb, and the one he installed on Doom Marine. The chanting might have been necessary to gain access to demons; Olivia was head of the bio division, was she not? Her team probably started out just doing the rituals like a process, and we're slowly corrupted into true believers.
Really, the crazy things were revenants (made from living people) and cybernized demons. Not possessed, I should note. Possessed are easily explainable - studying lazarus wave effect on humans makes sense. Revenants, at least in a relatively mass produced form, do not. Sure, study of how cybenetics gets integrated with flesh by hell energy makes sense. But then you'd expect each subject to have different augmentation. And cyber demons... unless you can control them, what's the point?
Though it would make for a good fanfic if, in response to a demonic invasion, Hayden unleashed his legions of cyberdemons against them.
GilliamYaeger
M'crazy.
Hell already had the capability to produce those, though, since Doom 1/2 happened before the game began. Both Cyberdemons and Revenants already existed before the Doom 4 UAC invasion.
If the designs came from Olivia or another possessed scientist, however, its likely that Hell was just using the UAC facilities to produce them and they were never meant to be used as anything other than servants of Hell.
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so finally had to time to complete the campaign today. It was amazing and I can't wait to jump back in on ultra nightmare mode
and tell me this isn't one of the most adorable things you've seen.
edit: reuploaded to imgur as steam images don't seem to work for some people.
and tell me this isn't one of the most adorable things you've seen.
edit: reuploaded to imgur as steam images don't seem to work for some people.
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I see your point, but it's been less than a week, and I don't want to be-
Spoiler was gibbed by Mod's hammer!
Respawn in 3...
2...
1...
That. Incidentally, I kinda miss the original Doom's death messages. They were funny, if in a lowbrow way.
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that happened to me once, but I was in hell so I rolled with it as if it was a feature.
"For your arrogance in killing these beasts you have been banished into the pit! BEGONE"
For all the multi seemed slow in the demo, the campaign isn't. More open maps with good vertical ledges, it feels like you run faster, and ripandtearripandtear with supporting music.
I'm glad my friend told me the SP was great.
This game is the most shining endorsement I've seen... for keeping both multiplayer and singleplayer in-house. I can see why they did it - if the same team had been focused on both, SP would not be as polished as it should be - but from what I've heard about the multiplayer, having the same team that handled Call of Duty and Halo multiplayer sections make it was not the perfect call.
Still, glad to see Doom reclaiming its rightful place in the halls of FPS history.
Still, glad to see Doom reclaiming its rightful place in the halls of FPS history.
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yeah, they should've tried to get the guys who work on Quake Live to do it tbh. though they would've had to include more modes, I think the maps would've been more varied.