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so many gods who never had more than a few hundred people worshipping them at their peak are doing relatively fine even if their not strong. Plenty of gods are super powerful and fame clearly works for greek gods and others. Gods who are fading sometimes aren't even all that forgotten like ra like sure hes not at his peak but plenty of people know about the god ra but hes in that retirement home for gods for a long while in universe. Polynesians were never a very large religion but apollo has said their doing fine essentially same for aztec gods and so on. The greek gods are probably relatively more famous now than they were at their peak even if they aren't anywhere near a big deal and they don't like that but they've still got plenty of power to throw around and are no where close to fading. Not that power scale is too explored but power scale between pantheons doesn't seem all too different. Gods across all pantheons can cause disasters or potentially end the world whether its the greek, egyptian, or norse. We see examples of potential world ending things across all the series or factual regional disasters whether from set, typhon, the gods, etc etc. But, none of the pantheons have actually shown themselves to be massively stronger than others either even if you could surmise they are for a fanfic even the actively worshiped ones. Nor have we seen that the pantheons have been massively weakened. Mind you certain gods are factually stronger than others but no pantheon has shown their weakened to the point of completely fading even ones that haven't been worshipped for near two thousand years.
 
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firefrog600 said:
In fairness to the Roman's we know they were waging war with certain titans at the exact same time as the battle of New York. It's not like they were doing nothing. Also slightly debatable on the power scale things work differently in Percy Jackson than virtuous sons.
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The Big Three have the beats needed to back their claim. Hades's defeat to Percy was demoralizing but okay, people slip up. But the rest keep getting a poor performance.
 
firefrog600 said:
so many gods who never had more than a few hundred people worshipping them at their peak are doing relatively fine even if their not strong. Plenty of gods are super powerful and fame clearly works for greek gods and others. Gods who are fading sometimes aren't even all that forgotten like ra like sure hes not at his peak but plenty of people know about the god ra but hes in that retirement home for gods for a long while in universe. Polynesians were never a very large religion but apollo has said their doing fine essentially same for aztec gods and so on. The greek gods are probably relatively more famous now than they were at their peak even if they aren't anywhere near a big deal and they don't like that but they've still got plenty of power to throw around and are no where close to fading. Not that power scale is too explored but power scale between pantheons doesn't seem all too different. Gods across all pantheons can cause disasters or potentially end the world whether its the greek, egyptian, or norse. We see examples of potential world ending things across all the series or factual regional disasters whether from set, typhon, the gods, etc etc. But, none of the pantheons have actually shown themselves to be massively stronger than others either even if you could surmise they are for a fanfic even the actively worshiped ones. Nor have we seen that the pantheons have been massively weakened. Mind you certain gods are factually stronger than others but no pantheon has shown their weakened to the point of completely fading even ones that haven't been worshipped for near two thousand years.
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Because it is not so much about 'fame' as it is domain. Pan was dying because of the damage civilization did to the wild world. If people stopped dying Hades would be in trouble. The greek gods aren't worshipped directly either, there is a lot of 'American Gods' business going on. The minor gods have small and irrelevant domains that get little respect so they were tempted to join the titans. Even so, since the world is less magical the power of all supernatural entities has diminished.
 
BrunofanofK said:
Because it is not so much about 'fame' as it is domain. Pan was dying because of the damage civilization did to the wild world. If people stopped dying Hades would be in trouble. The greek gods aren't worshipped directly either, there is a lot of 'American Gods' business going on. The minor gods have small and irrelevant domains that get little respect so they were tempted to join the titans. Even so, since the world is less magical the power of all supernatural entities has diminished.
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In fairness you can make that headcanon but its debatable if the diminishment is actually true. Also, I mean there are things with minor domains that are doing fine and gods with major domains that have faded or are in the equivalent of in between fully fading and living in a retirement home like Ra. The goddess selenes faded in canon after all. The domain things probably right to some degree but the gods have mentioned fame as a factor before and being forgotten being bad. Though you could argue its their domain being forgotten but the sun sure as hell isn't forgotten or deemed unimportant now or the moon but gods of those things have faded. Immortal humans and monsters aren't usually acting like the world was all that much more powerful in the past other than the fact that said individuals can compare demigods, magicians, and so on to the greatest of them and so not everyone is up to par.
 
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Honestly the lore/worldbuilding of the PJ verse has always felt sort of inconsistent at times or maybe it's more it was never really focused on always very much part of the background except for the occasional bit here or there that popped up. Which isn't that odd for a series meant for young readers and that was more focused on the adventures/quests of the MC's rather than going into deep explanations of the mechanics of the world/universe.
 
Bruno, i have a question: apollo in pjo have a lot of pride in his skills and absurdly little sense of self worth. How jealous he will be, when he meet zagreus? Fierce rivalry in future?
 
David151 said:
Honestly the lore/worldbuilding of the PJ verse has always felt sort of inconsistent at times or maybe it's more it was never really focused on always very much part of the background except for the occasional bit here or there that popped up. Which isn't that odd for a series meant for young readers and that was more focused on the adventures/quests of the MC's rather than going into deep explanations of the mechanics of the world/universe.
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True but that doesn't mean we shouldn't discuss inconsistencies we see in Bruno's comments either so he can make a headcanon for the fic or alter what's he's said a little. There are gods with major domains that have faded after all so better to mention that now.
 
Huh funny though but with the atomic stuff Cid did does Zagreus now have what could be considered three hearts? I just find it amusing since he has five eyes and now two or three hearts it lends itself to an amusing description that is both true yet deceptive.

I mean he can now be described as a giant with five eyes two mouths and three hearts yet he can look fairly normal if you lack the means to tell also scales like I said an amusing description.
 
Hitoshura said:
Bruno, i have a question: apollo in pjo have a lot of pride in his skills and absurdly little sense of self worth. How jealous he will be, when he meet zagreus? Fierce rivalry in future?
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Considering he is supposed to be the chief of the muses, a fan of music, and a notorious creep who doesn't take a no and is responsible for flowers bearing the names of boys, I was going for the creepy stalker angle. His stay in PJ will be an exercise in restraint from all parts as they try to not try killing each other. The thing about greek gods is that half the reason they are so popular is due to the fact they are the most realistic portrait of a family of super-powered humans. The thing is, we only know stories about them. People back then weren't focused on what was controversial for us today. Zagreus will have to meet the gods for himself to judge them.
The Poseidon we see from Percy's perspective certainly looks like a nice guy, but I am sure Odysseu's would present a different picture. It's not even OOC because Poseidon was always portrayed as an unusually kind and caring parent for the Olympian standards and far more tolerant of monsters. When Percy sat on his throne we saw both sides of Poseidon in stark clarity. Every God is like that, including Zeus. However, I am a bit biased since Zeus is the main character of Poison, my first fanfic.
 
BrunofanofK said:
Considering he is supposed to be the chief of the muses, a fan of music, and a notorious creep who doesn't take a no and is responsible for flowers bearing the names of boys, I was going for the creepy stalker angle. His stay in PJ will be an exercise in restraint from all parts as they try to not try killing each other. The thing about greek gods is that half the reason they are so popular is due to the fact they are the most realistic portrait of a family of super-powered humans. The thing is, we only know stories about them. People back then weren't focused on what was controversial for us today. Zagreus will have to meet the gods for himself to judge them.
The Poseidon we see from Percy's perspective certainly looks like a nice guy, but I am sure Odysseu's would present a different picture. It's not even OOC because Poseidon was always portrayed as an unusually kind and caring parent for the Olympian standards and far more tolerant of monsters. When Percy sat on his throne we saw both sides of Poseidon in stark clarity. Every God is like that, including Zeus. However, I am a bit biased since Zeus is the main character of Poison, my first fanfic.
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They as people vary and have their good and bad moments even the Percy Jackson gods while super selfish have moments of pure altruism even if it's usually just for their kids it's not always like that. They also you know change as people all the Olympians are different than they once were also seem to do less rape in Percy Jackson. Which is clearly one part kids series thing but also you know the Olympians at least don't need to be rapey to get laid or find love these days.
 
Hey @BrunofanofK have you ever watched any of the myth videos by Overly Sarcastic Production on youtube? they do some really interesting and impressive work when it comes to them such as origins of gods like Dionysus and others.
 
firefrog600 said:
They as people vary and have their good and bad moments even the Percy Jackson gods while super selfish have moments of pure altruism even if it's usually just for their kids it's not always like that. They also you know change as people all the Olympians are different than they once were also seem to do less rape in Percy Jackson. Which is clearly one part kids series thing but also you know the Olympians at least don't need to be rapey to get laid or find love these days.
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That is what I am saying. To begin with, greeks words for kidnap and marriage was the same, so Persephone's story is kind of shaky. Like Poseidon said, sometimes the way people worship gods say more about them than about the gods. The gods evolved with the Western civilization, and Ares became more like a rebel miscreant in American society. I could hardly write about a rapey Apollo without this thread being closed by moderators or Zagreus stabbing him in the throat.
 
BrunofanofK said:
That is what I am saying. To begin with, greeks words for kidnap and marriage was the same, so Persephone's story is kind of shaky. Like Poseidon said, sometimes the way people worship gods say more about them than about the gods. The gods evolved with the Western civilization, and Ares became more like a rebel miscreant in American society. I could hardly write about a rapey Apollo without this thread being closed by moderators or Zagreus stabbing him in the throat.
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Well that and the Percy Jackson Olympians at least aren't all that rapey and asides most stories of the gods raping someone have alternate less rapey versions.
 
Anyway, we distract themself enough. Bruno, how much zag in trouble? Blood bank critically low in the worst possible moment. Bafomet counterattack will soon began. And any other enemy in shadows (pun totally intended). Oh, and Megumi and Tsumiki will be NOT happy about zagreus fight yet ABOTHER GOD!
 
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Oh, also a one more thing not connected to my question above: how cronos and co will react to zagreus? After all, like you said, he is challenge for everyone involved.
 
Hitoshura said:
Anyway, we distract themself enough. Bruno, how much zag in trouble? Blood bank critically low in the worst possible moment. Bafomet counterattack will soon began. And any other enemy in shadows (pun totally intended). Oh, and Megumi and Tsumiki will be NOT happy about zagreus fight yet ABOTHER GOD!
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The thing about Baphomet is that he is crafty. Those with knowledge of the game know some curve balls are about to come around. But unfortunately, work has been hectic this last week. This delayed the last chapter a lot, but I hope to get things back on track soon.
 
Hmm and odd question but Bruno you said you've been listening to the Percy Jackson books right? What would you think would count as labors for him in the canon story by cultivation standards?
 
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David151 said:
Hmm and odd question but Bruno you said you've been listening to the Percy Jackson books right? What would you think would count as labors for him in the canon story by cultivation standards?
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In fairness it'd probably depend on what he does himself. Defeating kronos or gaia obviously or well finishing the second titanomachy or gigantomachy. If hes there purposely breaking a prophecy of the fates would probably do it too. Going to tartarus and back or converting part of those lands. Something to do with the sky would probably work. Creating a permanent and unfied home for greeks and romans that is stupidly defensible and will last millennia would probably do it especially if its conceptually owned while creating a system to bring demigods instantly to the camps if possible from anywhere in the states.
 
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David151 said:
Hmm and odd question but Bruno you said you've been listening to the Percy Jackson books right? What would you think would count as labors for him in the canon story by cultivation standards?
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Interesting you said that. Right from the beginning of the series, when Luke confesses to Percy he stole the Master Bolt, he admits he did that because it was something nobody had ever done before. He tasted only ashes when he stole the golden apples, he blamed the gods for living in stagnation. This would totally count as a labor, same for Anabet retrieving Athena's statue. There are some incidental feats I would count like Percy blowing up a mountain and most sanctioned quests given by the Oracle should count as well.
By the way, next chapter is halfway through. This month as been hectic but holy week is giving me a break.
 
BrunofanofK said:
Interesting you said that. Right from the beginning of the series, when Luke confesses to Percy he stole the Master Bolt, he admits he did that because it was something nobody had ever done before. He tasted only ashes when he stole the golden apples, he blamed the gods for living in stagnation. This would totally count as a labor, same for Anabet retrieving Athena's statue. There are some incidental feats I would count like Percy blowing up a mountain and most sanctioned quests given by the Oracle should count as well.
By the way, next chapter is halfway through. This month as been hectic but holy week is giving me a break.
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So no repetitions from ancient héroes but everything else is fine if It is difficult enough???
 
BrunofanofK said:
Interesting you said that. Right from the beginning of the series, when Luke confesses to Percy he stole the Master Bolt, he admits he did that because it was something nobody had ever done before. He tasted only ashes when he stole the golden apples, he blamed the gods for living in stagnation. This would totally count as a labor, same for Anabet retrieving Athena's statue. There are some incidental feats I would count like Percy blowing up a mountain and most sanctioned quests given by the Oracle should count as well.
By the way, next chapter is halfway through. This month as been hectic but holy week is giving me a break.
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Makes sense and maybe a few others such as when Percy killed the Minotaur the first time? Since while it has been defeated before not in this way also the circumstances are different not to mention the situation of the person who's doing it like Percy likely matter as well.
 
David151 said:
Makes sense and maybe a few others such as when Percy killed the Minotaur the first time? Since while it has been defeated before not in this way also the circumstances are different not to mention the situation of the person who's doing it like Percy likely matter as well.
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Percy's first victory against the Minotaur he was hard-carried by genetics. He tapped into his power for the first time, so it served more as a show of his potential. His mission for the Master bolt would count though.
 
BrunofanofK said:
Percy's first victory against the Minotaur he was hard-carried by genetics. He tapped into his power for the first time, so it served more as a show of his potential. His mission for the Master bolt would count though.
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More specifically his escape of the underworld I'd say, from the top of my head only Heracles ever actually succeeded in doing so in the myths when he went down there to fight Cerberus and failed.
 
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