Devourer of Worlds - A Lavos Spawn Quest | (Chrono Trigger x RWBY Crossover) (AU Elements)

[X] Weave Blake's Aura. {With your examinations of the ebb and flow of Veve's soul, along with your observations of the Fall Mantle, the operations of Penny's Aura, and Blake's second Semblance... you should be able to work safely with her soul. With her permission, carefully reinforce her Aura – and in so doing, gain practice for whatever operations Veve requires.}
 
[X] Weave Blake's Aura. {With your examinations of the ebb and flow of Veve's soul, along with your observations of the Fall Mantle, the operations of Penny's Aura, and Blake's second Semblance... you should be able to work safely with her soul. With her permission, carefully reinforce her Aura – and in so doing, gain practice for whatever operations Veve requires.}
 
Most definitely, I can't think of someone distanced enough from our team's perspective yet relevant enough to the situation other than her.

Your suprise when it turns out to be some queen from a family portrait on a wall.


[X] Weave Blake's Aura. {With your examinations of the ebb and flow of Veve's soul, along with your observations of the Fall Mantle, the operations of Penny's Aura, and Blake's second Semblance... you should be able to work safely with her soul. With her permission, carefully reinforce her Aura – and in so doing, gain practice for whatever operations Veve requires.}
 
[X] Weave Blake's Aura. {With your examinations of the ebb and flow of Veve's soul, along with your observations of the Fall Mantle, the operations of Penny's Aura, and Blake's second Semblance... you should be able to work safely with her soul. With her permission, carefully reinforce her Aura – and in so doing, gain practice for whatever operations Veve requires.}
This seems pretty Important, and we get to understand souls and better understand people just a little more. Though the chance of us changing history greatly goes up.
 
I don't see how constant low level exposure means that all dust would be space-time dust and neo would be easier to connect to? We needed places or objects of special contraction for that, hardly means we don't exert an influence, and even a weak influence that is exerted consistently, on multiple scales, and for a long enough time is going to end up doing a lot. Space-time dust and direct connections simply require a lot + some more.

You cannot argue that our power is potent and far-reaching enough to have shaped humanity and their magics while simultaneously claiming that the effects of our power are in fact too low-level and localized to have had noticeable effects on the stuff we interact with. If our power made Aura, Dust, and humanity's magics, we'd have seen effects from that: most notably, we'd have recognized them as being a form of our energy and wouldn't need to do nearly as much research as we have been to understand all of it. If our power shaped all of humanity throughout the ages, then we would have low-level connections to the Dreams of literally everyone else on the planet, which we don't in fact have. Your original argument hinges on the idea that all magic comes from our power because nothing but our power could have made humanity, but you refuse to see that not only are the Brothers a perfectly plausible explanation for humanity and magic to exist without our input, but also that if we really did shape humanity and their magics to the extent you suggest, we'd have noticed by now.

And I've read, at length, many treatises on the conflicts with the Wilder tribes – enough to know that the tribe you described as 'plaguing' the city wasn't even truly responsible for all of that, because the events in question continued for another decade after their departure!

...yeah, I'm gonna be real, it sounds to me that the Cielans just used whatever those events were as an excuse to go to war against the Wilders. No wonder they're so pissed off.

On a completely unrelated note, @x50413, can I ask what happened to Doctor Oobleck? Last we saw of him was the Battle of Beacon, when he was noticeably affected by our power, after having expressed concern that more exposure to our power could cause serious problems for him. Is he okay? I'm willing to burn my last question for this, if necessary.
 
Um I'm not saying.... Whatever nonsense that was. I'm saying that Obsidian's power did have an effect on everything, but that to achieve space-time dust and direct connections required that effect, and then some more. I.e. the difference between having a little particulate silver in your system and actually turning colors from having more than a little.
 
Um I'm not saying.... Whatever nonsense that was. I'm saying that Obsidian's power did have an effect on everything, but that to achieve space-time dust and direct connections required that effect, and then some more. I.e. the difference between having a little particulate silver in your system and actually turning colors from having more than a little.

If you cannot even grasp what I am trying to say, then perhaps you should stop trying to dispute it. But to simplify matters: we didn't create or shape humanity and their magics, the Brothers did, because if we had done that, there would have been low-level effects that we would have seen by now. Similarly, you can't claim that our power had a low-level impact on everything in Remnant while simultaneously denying that such a thing would have had notable effects on everything in Remnant that we'd have noticed by now. We haven't seen those effects, therefore your assertion that all magic comes from our power and that we shaped humanity is simply untrue. Therefore, your claim that any large amount of magic could potentially cause temporal disruptions doesn't make any sense at all.
 
Dream Fragment - To Heaven Chained (I)

"– and the Nature of his soul was just as straightforward as the king himself, to project force from his body sufficient to cast away whole legions of aggressors –"

She stared down at the tomes on the table, nodding absently as the rotund teacher continued to drone, carefully moderating the motion of her hand as she sketched out a ritual circle in the margins. So long as she kept things subtle, he shouldn't notice.

"– his highness drove away one of the last tribes of Wilders that had been plaguing the city for many years –"

Hmm. What if...? If I switched out the standard array here and borrowed parts of a forging circle, wouldn't that result in a much stronger base? Ah, no, I'd need to balance that with... She drummed her fingers on the desk before she caught herself.

"– and the last king of the Wilders transformed himself into a great, fire-breathing bird, laying waste to the entirety of Ciel. You aren't even listening to me, are you, princess?"

It took her several seconds of silence before her eyes flicked up and she blushed sheepishly. "I... ah..."

He sighed. "Tell me you at least gleaned something from these past hours, and our time has not been entirely wasted."

She bristled, frustration boiling to the surface all at once. "I am well aware that the line of Ciel, since Omen and Aradia, has maintained their history of external natures. The world is bent by our souls, generation after generation. And I've read, at length, many treatises on the conflicts with the Wilder tribes – enough to know that the tribe you described as 'plaguing' the city wasn't even truly responsible for all of that, because the events in question continued for another decade after their departure! If all we're going to do is sit here while you teach me things I already know, then the time is wasted!"

The graying man threw his hands up. "You...! I will speak to your father about this, young lady, and we shall see what he has to say!" Muttering angrily to himself, her 'teacher' pushed himself to his feet and shuffled his bulk out the door. She huffed out an irritated breath before simply pulling a piece of blank parchment closer. With a shake of an inkwell, a dark stain spread across the empty page, and she dipped her finger into it as she reached into her soul.

Her nature twisted, snapping into connection with the page and settling over it like a blanket, and a tiny application of magic later had the ink spiraling itself into different circles as she experimented in real-time.

Much more productive than that nonsense.
First of all, so glad to see this back from hiatus. This is literally one of my favorite works of fiction of all time among any genre.

Secondly, I wanted to make a comment about something I noticed from this Dream Fragment. Athame, who we presume to be the current Queen of Ciel, seems to have a very interesting and powerful Nature. As a side note, it seems that the term 'Nature' refers to a similar concept as 'Semblance' does in modern times; the denizens of Ciel obviously know magic which has largely disappeared in the present, yet the notion of a power unique to one's own soul appears to have continued forward, albeit by a different name. Returning to the main point, something about the way that Athame manipulates the ink on her paper reminds me of Weiss' glyphs: via the patterns on their soul, glyphs and runes of various types can be applied and recalled at a moment's notice.

I doubt that Athame's power is limited to paper and ink, so it occurs to me that RWBY-P may be walking into a spider's parlor if they aren't careful. It seems likely to me that, just as her Nature overlaid itself upon the paper long ago, the Queen's influence has seeped into much of the Tower, where our gals would likely be confronting her. If so, the Queen might be able to call upon glyphs and runes of all sorts, both pre-planned and spontaneous, to defend herself.

A more minor point, but still worth some consideration, is her fairly positive, or at least neutral, opinion of the Wilders displayed in the above Fragment. Obviously, it has been decades since then, but it seems that even at an early age she recognized that the Wilders were often targeted merely as a convenient scapegoat. Perhaps the Tower has influenced her as much as she has it, slowly twisting her opinions and perceptions to be more in line with her royal predecessors. Something to ponder, regardless.
 
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...yeah, I'm gonna be real, it sounds to me that the Cielans just used whatever those events were as an excuse to go to war against the Wilders. No wonder they're so pissed off.

On a completely unrelated note, @x50413, can I ask what happened to Doctor Oobleck? Last we saw of him was the Battle of Beacon, when he was noticeably affected by our power, after having expressed concern that more exposure to our power could cause serious problems for him. Is he okay? I'm willing to burn my last question for this, if necessary.

I won't make you burn a question for it; I wouldn't call Oobleck important enough to justify it at this point.

He's... all right. He's working with the rest of the Beacon staff to help get things back to normal functionality again. He's... definitely a bit more floaty, with all of the magic contamination throughout Beacon and Vale since the Battle, but having the crisis to deal with has helped to keep him grounded.

Having the Frozen Flame and Blake far away have also contributed a lot to his recovery.

First of all, so glad to see this back from hiatus. This is literally one of my favorite works of fiction of all time among any genre.

Secondly, I wanted to make a comment about something I noticed from this Dream Fragment. Athame, who we presume to be the current Queen of Ciel, seems to have a very interesting and powerful Nature. As a side note, it seems that the term 'Nature' refers to a similar concept as 'Semblance' does in modern times; the denizens of Ciel obviously know magic which has largely disappeared in the present, yet the notion of a power unique to one's own soul appears to have continued forward, albeit by a different name. Returning to the main point, something about the way that Athame manipulates the ink on her paper reminds me of Weiss' glyphs: via the patterns on their soul, glyphs and runes of various types can be applied and recalled at a moment's notice.

I doubt that Athame's power is limited to paper and ink, so it occurs to me that RWBY-P may be walking into a spider's parlor if they aren't careful. It seems likely to me that, just as her Nature overlaid itself upon the paper long ago, the Queen's influence has seeped into much of the Tower, where our gals would likely be confronting her. If so, the Queen might be able to call upon glyphs and runes of all sorts, both pre-planned and spontaneous, to defend herself.

A more minor point, but still worth some consideration, is her fairly positive, or at least neutral, opinion of the Wilders displayed in the above Fragment. Obviously, it has been decades since then, but it seems that even at an early age she recognized that the Wilders were often targeted merely as a convenient scapegoat. Perhaps the Tower has influenced her as much as she has it, slowly twisting her opinions and perceptions to be more in line with her royal predecessors. Something to ponder, regardless.

I really appreciate the praise. I know it's vanity, but hearing stuff like that is really helpful to me as an author – concrete feedback on stuff is helpful on a technical level, but heartfelt praise is helpful on an emotional and mental level. So, thank you.

And I'd like to congratulate you. Without being specific, some portion of your speculation is very close to the truth, if not quite on the mark – I didn't expect anyone to make the leap of logic from the fragment to what was being hinted at, and the fact that you came as close as you did definitely impressed me.

As a celebration for Devourer returning and you getting so close, take a question!
 
It doesn't have to be the tower twisting her.

Just because she recognizes the blatant historical fabrication doesn't mean she thinks wilders matter, or even if she does simple politics and/or the extant infrastructure may mean that she chooses to harm them when the time comes.
 
[X] Train the team in magical combat. {Your mortals are quite skilled at fighting, but outside of Spekkio that have rarely practiced with magic only. You will push them, improving their ability to confront a single, powerful magician - such as a Maiden.}
 
[X] Train the team in magical combat. {Your mortals are quite skilled at fighting, but outside of Spekkio that have rarely practiced with magic only. You will push them, improving their ability to confront a single, powerful magician - such as a Maiden.}
 
Leaving a bunch of primitive human colonies unattended, especially on worlds with native sapients like the reptites, that's just plain evil.
The statement I had made about the possibility of the Brothers being the ones to make humans on both the world of Chrono Trigger and Remnant doesn't mean that the Reptites weren't also such creations. The statement was just meant to show off that there are other possibilities than just Obsidian unconsciously created humans and/or life on Remnant. For every bit of information we get, there are at minimum a thousand different possibilities for how it could play out when we're talking the vast stretches of time that is the life span of Lavos and its spawn.
 
Leaving a bunch of primitive human colonies unattended, especially on worlds with native sapients like the reptites, that's just plain evil.
You're going to have to define what you mean by 'evil' here because while 'an action that might be the most moral option available' would certainly be an interesting definition, it wouldn't be very helpful here. So let's hear what you think the word means and then why you think that counts.
 
I think queen Ciel's nature might be change, it could explain the deftness of how Veve's soul was altered.
No, it was fairly clearly shown by The Silver Eye Entity that it was The Crown. Also, typically semblances that manipulate the physical world don't affect also affect the minds of others, and vice versa. That's why Emeralds hallucinations don't show up on camera, since it affects her targets senses, but Neo's illusions do but also break on contact.
 
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You're going to have to define what you mean by 'evil' here because while 'an action that might be the most moral option available' would certainly be an interesting definition, it wouldn't be very helpful here. So let's hear what you think the word means and then why you think that counts.

Simple fact: Humans are pretty shitty neighbors. Especially when they don't have the institutionalized historical knowledge to know better.

Leaving primitive populations unattended around other sapients is just cruel.

Not to mention they're a massively invasive species.
 
[X] Weave Blake's Aura. {With your examinations of the ebb and flow of Veve's soul, along with your observations of the Fall Mantle, the operations of Penny's Aura, and Blake's second Semblance... you should be able to work safely with her soul. With her permission, carefully reinforce her Aura – and in so doing, gain practice for whatever operations Veve requires.}
 
@x50413, I did a reread and have noticed some parts where the music has gone kaput. Are you in a space where you'd like to know about these, or should I leave it be for the time being?
 
Simple fact: Humans are pretty shitty neighbors. Especially when they don't have the institutionalized historical knowledge to know better.

Leaving primitive populations unattended around other sapients is just cruel.

Not to mention they're a massively invasive species.
I think you'll have an easier time making an ecological argument than trying to fuse good government and the morals of deities. Gods are gods, the President is the President, and each title carries connotations utterly incompatible with the other. Think of it as the Two Brothers or whoever should be treated as The President ordering a new species of Finch to be made, then dropping them off on one of the Galapagos Islands. But what people are more seeing is a refutation of off-brand-God's moral standing as a righteous creator to be obeyed. Sure, the issue of omnipotence, evil, and God's role in its existence been debated for most of Christianity's history, but nobody's saying a head of state's all powerful and all knowing. I personally would argue that religion and deities just constitutes a higher level of government that gives legitimacy to the physical one, so any setting that has actively involved gods and goddesses should treat them like a separate or higher level of governmental authority, but that's just my opinion.

In short, your argument kinda crosses into theological territory and doesn't really address it.
 
[X] Weave Blake's Aura. {With your examinations of the ebb and flow of Veve's soul, along with your observations of the Fall Mantle, the operations of Penny's Aura, and Blake's second Semblance... you should be able to work safely with her soul. With her permission, carefully reinforce her Aura – and in so doing, gain practice for whatever operations Veve requires.}
 
I think you'll have an easier time making an ecological argument than trying to fuse good government and the morals of deities. Gods are gods, the President is the President, and each title carries connotations utterly incompatible with the other. Think of it as the Two Brothers or whoever should be treated as The President ordering a new species of Finch to be made, then dropping them off on one of the Galapagos Islands. But what people are more seeing is a refutation of off-brand-God's moral standing as a righteous creator to be obeyed. Sure, the issue of omnipotence, evil, and God's role in its existence been debated for most of Christianity's history, but nobody's saying a head of state's all powerful and all knowing. I personally would argue that religion and deities just constitutes a higher level of government that gives legitimacy to the physical one, so any setting that has actively involved gods and goddesses should treat them like a separate or higher level of governmental authority, but that's just my opinion.

In short, your argument kinda crosses into theological territory and doesn't really address it.

I don't see how the precise title you apply to someone changes the moral or practical consequences of their actions. Whether you call them god, president, or unshackled planet seeding AI number 318 is irrelevant to the vileness of the act.
 
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