Deus Pater (Exalted/40k)
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Nix's Warden
Welcome to Hades
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[X] Expose the Guilty. You cannot have enemies lurking unnoticed within your own priesthood. Prioritize identifying out the ones who have worked actively against you, and offer them the chance to repent before their peers.
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I think more severe consequences might be necessary down this path, and letting unrepentant priests involved go entirely certainly won't fly.
Some of the middle options would work short term at least, so it's a relatively gentle purge.
Powerofmind
In Madness Fallen
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My personal inference of exposure is that we're going more at the root issue of the clergy, that someone felt they should go around us rather than debate, whether that was out of malicious intent or simple fear, it's not cool. If it was of malicious intent, it's evidence of corrupt, selfish thinking. If it was out of fear, then it was due to the absurd belief that everyone is guilty until proven innocent, except we don't really give a shit about working out the second part because that would take thirty seconds or more of effort as opposed to a lasgun between the eyes.
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[X] Expose the Guilty. You cannot have enemies lurking unnoticed within your own priesthood. Prioritize identifying out the ones who have worked actively against you, and offer them the chance to repent before their peers.
Strategic voting time.
Strategic voting time.
[X] Preach to the Choir. Disputes over doctrine can lead to the most virulent of feuds, and you would rather have a thousand minds in broad agreement than a hundred locked in fanatic loyalty. Smooth over the divisions that lead to the call for the Hereticus, and the rest will fall smoothly into place.
A nice neat way to hold a sermon to reaffirm our doctrine while also swaying the entire planetary priesthood to our point of view? Yes please. Besides it's not like exposing the guilty would actually solve anything beyond getting rid of the people who were brave enough to contact outside forces to solve, what they saw, as dangerous views. I mean, just how many priests here don't actually believe in our views but went along with what they were told because they were too scared to make a move against their superiors or had so little faith they decided to just spout words they were told to say but felt no connection to them. This wouldn't get rid of the doubtful, it would just keep everyone in line with fear.
Igniting the soul has a similar issue as it seems to focus on our divinity rather then our message. If we do that then, well, none of the priests would actually believe in our doctrine. Sure they'd follow our message and preach our words but only because they were our words rather then because they have been converted to our way of thinking.
It's like.... following the words of the bible, not because you believe in them but rather because you respect the pope and the pope told you to follow the bible. You don't really believe in the bible you just believe in the pope. What we want is true believers, not fans.
A nice neat way to hold a sermon to reaffirm our doctrine while also swaying the entire planetary priesthood to our point of view? Yes please. Besides it's not like exposing the guilty would actually solve anything beyond getting rid of the people who were brave enough to contact outside forces to solve, what they saw, as dangerous views. I mean, just how many priests here don't actually believe in our views but went along with what they were told because they were too scared to make a move against their superiors or had so little faith they decided to just spout words they were told to say but felt no connection to them. This wouldn't get rid of the doubtful, it would just keep everyone in line with fear.
Igniting the soul has a similar issue as it seems to focus on our divinity rather then our message. If we do that then, well, none of the priests would actually believe in our doctrine. Sure they'd follow our message and preach our words but only because they were our words rather then because they have been converted to our way of thinking.
It's like.... following the words of the bible, not because you believe in them but rather because you respect the pope and the pope told you to follow the bible. You don't really believe in the bible you just believe in the pope. What we want is true believers, not fans.
[x] Expose the Guilty. You cannot have enemies lurking unnoticed within your own priesthood. Prioritize identifying out the ones who have worked actively against you, and offer them the chance to repent before their peers.
This is a tough vote. Honestly, there MAY be someone who called for the Inquisitor because they were understandably worried about a Cardinal setting himself against the Ecclesiarch's established policies and triggering a war of faith. The Imperium can't really afford a lot of division, and without the Emperor's blessing the human cost of a reformation could be too high. That's a reasonable concern, and one that we should be willing to look and offer clemency for.
Frankly, though, it seems FAR more likely the Inquisitor was called in by someone who wanted to keep lining their pockets and abusing the faithful without a Cardinal getting in their way. That shouldn't go unanswered. We owe it to the church and to the church's followers to see to it that kind of thing is addressed rather than swept under the rug.
This is a tough vote. Honestly, there MAY be someone who called for the Inquisitor because they were understandably worried about a Cardinal setting himself against the Ecclesiarch's established policies and triggering a war of faith. The Imperium can't really afford a lot of division, and without the Emperor's blessing the human cost of a reformation could be too high. That's a reasonable concern, and one that we should be willing to look and offer clemency for.
Frankly, though, it seems FAR more likely the Inquisitor was called in by someone who wanted to keep lining their pockets and abusing the faithful without a Cardinal getting in their way. That shouldn't go unanswered. We owe it to the church and to the church's followers to see to it that kind of thing is addressed rather than swept under the rug.
[X] Preach to the Choir. Disputes over doctrine can lead to the most virulent of feuds, and you would rather have a thousand minds in broad agreement than a hundred locked in fanatic loyalty. Smooth over the divisions that lead to the call for the Hereticus, and the rest will fall smoothly into place.
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- Germany
[X] Expose the Guilty. You cannot have enemies lurking unnoticed within your own priesthood. Prioritize identifying out the ones who have worked actively against you, and offer them the chance to repent before their peers.
maximillian
Civilised Sheep
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The reformation was not just reform but extreme heresy.
The counter reformation was reform but without defiling the actual theology.
The reformation created total chaos and spawned endless conflicting heresies that soon began to devour itself.
The counter reformation while holding various degrees of orthodoxy, was united in opposition to downright heresy, and managed to hold the church togather and even expand it.
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notanautomaton
I've got 99 quests, I've finished one
[X] Expose the Guilty. You cannot have enemies lurking unnoticed within your own priesthood. Prioritize identifying out the ones who have worked actively against you, and offer them the chance to repent before their peers.
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- United States
[X] Preach to the Choir. Disputes over doctrine can lead to the most virulent of feuds, and you would rather have a thousand minds in broad agreement than a hundred locked in fanatic loyalty. Smooth over the divisions that lead to the call for the Hereticus, and the rest will fall smoothly into place.
7734
Trust and verify.
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- Philmont
[X] Expose the Guilty. You cannot have enemies lurking unnoticed within your own priesthood. Prioritize identifying out the ones who have worked actively against you, and offer them the chance to repent before their peers.
We need to break the slag from the mold. There might not be much, but there's things that we know we have to pull out before we can start putting others in. Steel isn't just pure iron- it is something wrought by taking everything out of the iron, and then filling it back in with what we hope will style it as we like. Before we add carbon and nickel though, we have phosphorus and sulfar to burn out.
Ever was the Imperium a rule of steel.
We need to break the slag from the mold. There might not be much, but there's things that we know we have to pull out before we can start putting others in. Steel isn't just pure iron- it is something wrought by taking everything out of the iron, and then filling it back in with what we hope will style it as we like. Before we add carbon and nickel though, we have phosphorus and sulfar to burn out.
Ever was the Imperium a rule of steel.
Cataphract
Denizen of Qliphoth
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[X] Expose the Guilty. You cannot have enemies lurking unnoticed within your own priesthood. Prioritize identifying out the ones who have worked actively against you, and offer them the chance to repent before their peers.
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- London, England
Good to see several pages of discussion. Anyway, it looks like 'Expose the Guilty' is in the lead, so I'd like to get some opinions on what you might like to see happen with said guilty individuals. I have my own plans of course, but I'm always open to other ideas.
(Granted the intended response probably hinges on, like, the motivations for contacting the Inquisition, so...)
(Granted the intended response probably hinges on, like, the motivations for contacting the Inquisition, so...)
[X] Preach to the Choir. Disputes over doctrine can lead to the most virulent of feuds, and you would rather have a thousand minds in broad agreement than a hundred locked in fanatic loyalty. Smooth over the divisions that lead to the call for the Hereticus, and the rest will fall smoothly into place.
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- Postcard from the Root
[X] Expose the Guilty. You cannot have enemies lurking unnoticed within your own priesthood. Prioritize identifying out the ones who have worked actively against you, and offer them the chance to repent before their peers.
Normally I'd go for something softer but this is W40k which calls for a firmer hand. Someone almost got our people burned at the stake, and it needs to be addressed/investigated.
Normally I'd go for something softer but this is W40k which calls for a firmer hand. Someone almost got our people burned at the stake, and it needs to be addressed/investigated.
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- Austria
We should look into their motives and dance from there. Probably show mercy but not leave a thing of this magnitude completely unpunished.
As I have said earlier, I think a good punishment/rehabilitation would be to send them as local missionaries to communities they tried to destroy with this stunt. Not forever, but for some time. Not as demotion, just, uh, sorta as a penance.
[X] Expose the Guilty. You cannot have enemies lurking unnoticed within your own priesthood. Prioritize identifying out the ones who have worked actively against you, and offer them the chance to repent before their peers.
Wade Garrett
Just trying to do the right thing
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Sending out the people who were willing to put the planet to the fire as local street preachers after outing them as 'the people willing to put the planet to the fire'.
If we want them dead there are cleaner means of execution than throwing them to the mob.
Burning at the stake seems wasteful. I vote to organise them into a battalion of Brothers Penitent and have them be the first wave to charge enemy positions waving chainblades and wearing leather masks and cod pieces.
"Even one who has nothing can still give their live for the Emperor."
Penitent Crusade of Words. Command them to go forth and speak only the truth of what they have seen. Essentially double down on what we did with the inquisitor.