Deus Pater (Exalted/40k)

So charms are earned through in game actions, not purchase votes. Makes me wonder how we're going to earn some of the more intangible and esoteric charms, like Integrity or the weirder parts of Lore.

There will probably be purchase votes as well, likely at the end of major arcs or plot events as people vote on how Ignatius grew from the experience.

That said, the in-game action doesn't have to correlate precisely to the charm being learned. You can train Integrity through meditation, acting in support of your beliefs, and in a pinch being exposed to warp energies, for example.
 
[X] Preach to the Choir. Disputes over doctrine can lead to the most virulent of feuds, and you would rather have a thousand minds in broad agreement than a hundred locked in fanatic loyalty. Smooth over the divisions that lead to the call for the Hereticus, and the rest will fall smoothly into place.
 
[X] Preach to the Choir. Disputes over doctrine can lead to the most virulent of feuds, and you would rather have a thousand minds in broad agreement than a hundred locked in fanatic loyalty. Smooth over the divisions that lead to the call for the Hereticus, and the rest will fall smoothly into place.
 
[X] Preach to the Choir. Disputes over doctrine can lead to the most virulent of feuds, and you would rather have a thousand minds in broad agreement than a hundred locked in fanatic loyalty. Smooth over the divisions that lead to the call for the Hereticus, and the rest will fall smoothly into place.

The strength of the Imperium is how faith mobilizes the multitude. There have been saints and claimants to the Divine before, but seeking to start with a campaign for acceptance from our local priesthood feel more Vandire than Thor. Righteousness will make itself apparent with time, so broad consensus and peacemaking serves to build the unified front it can grow from naturally.

Edit: Rereading what Maugan wanted from discussion, I'd say Thor, or even Macharius as role-models feels right. Cement a popular movement of the faithful on Sanguis and work on spreading Ignatius' brand of the Imperial Cult while coopting detractors elsewhere and unifying our corner of the sector. If doctrinal disputes need some punching, so be it, but an outright schism and war among the faithful would be bad news.
 
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[X] Ignite the Soul. You know better than most the unifying power of faith. Prioritize the clergy's acceptance of you as a divine icon, and they will follow you into the depths of the foulest hell if their duty so requires.


We need at least some trustworthy followers.
 
[X] Preach to the Choir. Disputes over doctrine can lead to the most virulent of feuds, and you would rather have a thousand minds in broad agreement than a hundred locked in fanatic loyalty. Smooth over the divisions that lead to the call for the Hereticus, and the rest will fall smoothly into place.
 
[X] Preach to the Choir. Disputes over doctrine can lead to the most virulent of feuds, and you would rather have a thousand minds in broad agreement than a hundred locked in fanatic loyalty. Smooth over the divisions that lead to the call for the Hereticus, and the rest will fall smoothly into place.
 
X] Preach to the Choir. Disputes over doctrine can lead to the most virulent of feuds, and you would rather have a thousand minds in broad agreement than a hundred locked in fanatic loyalty. Smooth over the divisions that lead to the call for the Hereticus, and the rest will fall smoothly into place.
 
[X] Ignite the Soul. You know better than most the unifying power of faith. Prioritize the clergy's acceptance of you as a divine icon, and they will follow you into the depths of the foulest hell if their duty so requires.

OBEY

Wait, not Star-Father. Never mind.
 
[X] Preach to the Choir. Disputes over doctrine can lead to the most virulent of feuds, and you would rather have a thousand minds in broad agreement than a hundred locked in fanatic loyalty. Smooth over the divisions that lead to the call for the Hereticus, and the rest will fall smoothly into place.
 
[X] Preach to the Choir. Disputes over doctrine can lead to the most virulent of feuds, and you would rather have a thousand minds in broad agreement than a hundred locked in fanatic loyalty. Smooth over the divisions that lead to the call for the Hereticus, and the rest will fall smoothly into place.
 
[X] Preach to the Choir. Disputes over doctrine can lead to the most virulent of feuds, and you would rather have a thousand minds in broad agreement than a hundred locked in fanatic loyalty. Smooth over the divisions that lead to the call for the Hereticus, and the rest will fall smoothly into place.
 
[X] Ignite the Soul. You know better than most the unifying power of faith. Prioritize the clergy's acceptance of you as a divine icon, and they will follow you into the depths of the foulest hell if their duty so requires.

We needn't choose the most "efficient" path, merely the one that will lead to the greatest amusement.

I'd like it if we didn't get stuck trying to reform the church from the inside and instead led by example: Let all the Emperor's children be emboldened by us as we lead them to slay the Xeno. We may preach a different creed, but at the base we still believe the same things, let us not try to convine others by words but by action: we will continue the Emperor's Great Plan for humanity, and drag the church to a new era by sheer force of will and achievement, not by debate.

At least, that's what I would find interesting. If we go a different route, I'd still be amused.

I am quite unfamiliar with Exalted, could I request that when giving the options for charms and such thatyou give as broad a description as you can as well as what path that sets us on for future abilities? I would understand if you didn't, but it would allow for more informed voting.
 
[X] Preach to the Choir. Disputes over doctrine can lead to the most virulent of feuds, and you would rather have a thousand minds in broad agreement than a hundred locked in fanatic loyalty. Smooth over the divisions that lead to the call for the Hereticus, and the rest will fall smoothly into place.
I am quite unfamiliar with Exalted, could I request that when giving the options for charms and such thatyou give as broad a description as you can as well as what path that sets us on for future abilities? I would understand if you didn't, but it would allow for more informed voting.
The answer to it is answered like this Would this action or charm tell Reality and Phsyics to stick its thumb up its ass then cry in the corner of a circular room ? If so there is probably a Charm that lets it happen
 
Hmm, hmm...

How is one to cleanse the festering corruption and rot from the cystic mass that is the Clergy...

Do you excise the mass? Painful, but a sure cure to infected flesh.
Stoke the body's immunity? The body has never been especially cautious about it's own type of curing. Inflammation, fever, even the puss and rot itself are symptoms of a body already fighting.
Live in symbiosis? No disease can. Eventually, it will flare up from dormancy once again. It always does.
 
[X] Preach to the Choir. Disputes over doctrine can lead to the most virulent of feuds, and you would rather have a thousand minds in broad agreement than a hundred locked in fanatic loyalty. Smooth over the divisions that lead to the call for the Hereticus, and the rest will fall smoothly into place.
 
Yeah, going "actually Church being corrupt is not a big deal let's build some consensus here" is kinda ugh.

Not to say we have to purge every corrupt one, but going too far in other direction just to pad out the numbers defeats the purpose and, arguably, defeats the motivation of PC to a degree.
 
Hmm, hmm...

How is one to cleanse the festering corruption and rot from the cystic mass that is the Clergy...

Do you excise the mass? Painful, but a sure cure to infected flesh.
Stoke the body's immunity? The body has never been especially cautious about it's own type of curing. Inflammation, fever, even the puss and rot itself are symptoms of a body already fighting.
Live in symbiosis? No disease can. Eventually, it will flare up from dormancy once again. It always does.

If you want to provide a write-in option of 'just kill everyone' you... ok that would have required you to sway the Sororitas first, I think.

You could totally use Fury Inciting Speech and turn everyone against each other and/or your opponents within the clergy, mind.
 
[X] Preach to the Choir

The imperial cult is a byzantine labyrinth composed of a billion sects of degrees of distinction and difference.

It has never been uniform or even held pretenses of such.
It operates in an agreed upon framework and by a plethora of delegates and synods and councils.

The hierarchy of the ecclesiarchy operates first and foremost upon influence built upon the consensus of its myriad sub organisms.

Much like a rather famous Irl Church, the imperial Church contains a truly staggering amount of variation, but only differences in the very core of the theology marks a heretic, all else is but schism at worst and localism most often.

It is rather unlikely that our erstwhile living Saint theology is fundemntally in opposition or in contradiction to the core teachings of the church.
As such establishing a reform movement composed of an alliances of various opposing theologians, like a certain counter reformation, is certainly viable.
 
Why write in? I'm just examining the most basic philosophies of each option. Show the dissenters as what they are and deal with them, drive everyone to such fanatical loyalty that they turn their same bureaucratic backstabbing on each other to be seconded to us, or try to smooth over the issue with apologist preaching.

I would suppose the ideal route would be to simply expose them, as the other two options basically turn the planetary clergy into a human example of auto-immune reactions or merely delays the issue until the newly bolstered local 'system's immunity is overwhelmed by even more rot.
 
As such establishing a reform movement composed of an alliances of various opposing theologians, like a certain counter reformation, is certainly viable.

Why do counter-reformation when we are basically doing reformation here?

We did not pick Theologian to go full Martin Luther, but it's still much more of "95 theses" kind of moment right now. I don't see any need for reconciliation before we've even started nailing proverbial list to proverbial church door.
 
We're as close to Thor 2.0 as can be. Ignatius has explicitly dedicated his life to purging the greed and corruption from the church.

And going "let's reconcile everything" right from the start is kinda....

Why would we want to "smooth out differences" when Ignatius was proven right by Emperor personally? That's what we need to capitalize on - to point out that he is right and people who called Hereticus on him are pretty much heretics themselves.

Or corrupt bastards using accusation of heresy to advance career. Which is just as bad or even worse, really.

Why would we want to go and
[ ] Preach to the Choir. Disputes over doctrine can lead to the most virulent of feuds, and you would rather have a thousand minds in broad agreement than a hundred locked in fanatic loyalty. Smooth over the divisions that lead to the call for the Hereticus, and the rest will fall smoothly into place.
"smooth out the division" right after someone literally used Inquisition as a political tool against Ignatius for the sin of...being against corruption?
 
Like, folks.
Remember the Inquisitor who burned our flock?


The people to whom we want to "reach out" and with whom we want to compromise via "Preach to the Choir" are the ones who did it. They are the ones who called Hereticus. They knew what would happen to the flock and did it anyway.
They are just as guilty, if not moreso, than the Inquisitor. They have decided, in cold blood, to murder the innocent believers because they would get a shot at promotion via doing so.

And yet we are going to "Smooth over the divisions that lead to the call for the Hereticus"? With cold-blooded premediated murderers of the innocent?

Difference being, I suppose, that they think mass burning of believers is ok if it's personally profitable for them, while Ignatius does not agree. But hey, it's just a minor quibble, right?
 
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[X] Expose the Guilty. You cannot have enemies lurking unnoticed within your own priesthood. Prioritize identifying out the ones who have worked actively against you, and offer them the chance to repent before their peers.

I don't think we should execute the guy/girl, especially if they repent. But it's-

Part of how the Imperium got so bad wasn't that it compromised itself necessarily, that it was Insufficiently Hard or Lacked The Will but rather that it internalized and accepted an increasingly toxic, deeply corrupt environment, as not only necessary but desirable. It cultivated the fear, the paranoia, and the self-serving greed as not just unfortunate byproducts but the whole point of the process. There is nothing beyond our worlds but the endless, hellish dark. There is no hope, no alternative, no respite, so you Must Accept This as the only way. Your peers will report on you, betray you, sell you out and you never know who so you always must walk cautiously. Have to watch what you say and to who you say it. There is nobody here who will take care of you, who will look after you, save those you pledge yourself to and they, in turn, all must pledge themselves to the Imperium first and foremost. It drives this half-crazed, chaotic scramble for more, more, more, for some scraps of security and power within the rotting colossus, pleasure and insulation from the cruelties of the galaxy, and in the process entrenches and normalizes the mundane brutality of Human Space.

The person who betrayed us is...ultimately as much a victim of this system as a willing collaborator. It's that kinda thing you know where if you don't report first what happens when someone else reports on you. Where you're constantly having watch out for forming firing squads and making sure that you're throwing in on the right side. And ultimately purging this mindset, healing it, addressing it at least is one of the most important things I think we can do. Setting a hard line about how we're different, about how we're not going to tolerate this horseshit anymore, about how we don't want it.

Lancing the boil as it were.

Ultimately I want Ignatius to work on reforming this corner of space, this sector, making it a better place and exporting his version of the Imperial Cult. The Imperium's past the point where top-down control or reform is really possible I think and as the divisions deepen I want our slice of the stars to be...okay y'know? To survive. To be able to function autonomously, a sort of sub-Empire within the Imperium itself as the greater whole frays and comes apart.
 
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