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DARLING in the FRANXX - it's literal

Ford Prefect said:
Nah.
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I still feel that something went wrong in the process.

I mean, the director was the same guy from start to finish, right? So why did he do this? FRANXX started out as a fresh and distinct show - it had its own unique aesthetic which I haven't seen anywhere else, it had extremely expressive mechs powered by romance, it had all the innuendo. And then it just...stopped being its own thing and started aping five other mecha franchises, and completely abandoned most everything it had built up in terms of themes, characterization, and plot development.

The first few episodes feel fresh, unique, and even daring, as if the creators are genuinely excited to be making it. The last episode feels like it's wearily going through the motions, ticking off boxes on a checklist, as if the creators just want to get it over with. I really don't think things were meant to go the way they did. Did the director lose the plot on his own initiative or what?
 
I'm actually kind of glad they went with the utter insanity of the ALIENS, I have to admit.

Because I was pretty irritated with the missed opportunity with Kokoro, if they had ended things halfway competently I would have had to content myself with being the old man of the fandom who thinks Mitsuru should have been gay.
 
Mechasaurian said:
I still feel that something went wrong in the process.

I mean, the director was the same guy from start to finish, right? So why did he do this? FRANXX started out as a fresh and distinct show - it had its own unique aesthetic which I haven't seen anywhere else, it had extremely expressive mechs powered by romance, it had all the innuendo. And then it just...stopped being its own thing and started aping five other mecha franchises, and completely abandoned most everything it had built up in terms of themes, characterization, and plot development.

The first few episodes feel fresh, unique, and even daring, as if the creators are genuinely excited to be making it. The last episode feels like it's wearily going through the motions, ticking off boxes on a checklist, as if the creators just want to get it over with. I really don't think things were meant to go the way they did. Did the director lose the plot on his own initiative or what?
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Looking through Atsushi Nishigori's, the director and main writer, work history, this was the first Sci-fi series he directed and was the main writer of. He started in animation in 2001 (so far as I can tell), so he might have been a kid or teenager when Gunbuster aired (1988-1989), which could explain the heavy Gunbuster references. He was a key animator for the original Gurren Lagann, the Gurren Lagann movies, and Rebuild of Evangelion 1.0 and 3.0. He was also assistant animation director for Rebuild 1.0 and part of the storyboarding. This could explain the influence from those series.

Based on the rumors that DarliFra has been in writing for 10 years, Nishigori would've started it around the time he was working on Rebuild 1.0, which premiered in 2007. I wonder how much impact on his writing style that had and whether his work on Rebuild 3.0, about halfway through the writing of DarliFra, impacted his writing and the story we got in the end.
 
PhoenixMercurous said:
Looking through Atsushi Nishigori's, the director and main writer, work history, this was the first Sci-fi series he directed and was the main writer of. He started in animation in 2001 (so far as I can tell), so he might have been a kid or teenager when Gunbuster aired (1988-1989), which could explain the heavy Gunbuster references. He was a key animator for the original Gurren Lagann, the Gurren Lagann movies, and Rebuild of Evangelion 1.0 and 3.0. He was also assistant animation director for Rebuild 1.0 and part of the storyboarding. This could explain the influence from those series.

Based on the rumors that DarliFra has been in writing for 10 years, Nishigori would've started it around the time he was working on Rebuild 1.0, which premiered in 2007. I wonder how much impact on his writing style that had and whether his work on Rebuild 3.0, about halfway through the writing of DarliFra, impacted his writing and the story we got in the end.
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So what you're saying is that the show suffered due to the writer growing up from a person with interesting, subversive takes into someone boring?
 
Grimnir said:
So what you're saying is that the show suffered due to the writer growing up from a person with interesting, subversive takes into someone boring?
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No, not that. I'm wondering if Nishigori had enough writing experience and/or skill to understand what made the good mecha shows he grew up with and worked on good. I'm also wondering if working on Rebuild 3.0 was a bad influence on his writing.
 
Yeah, my final verdict on the show is that episode 15 is still the high point of the series, and that the switch in direction towards the end hurts it as a whole.

"Perfectly enjoyable mecha show, does a couple of interesting ideas of its own, but a weak ending and a bit of overreliance on referencing previous works by the studio/staff instead of being more of its own thing hampers the show, bringing it down to being something that is merely good / enjoyable as opposed to great."

Which is also my bets for how promare and gridman are going to turn out.
 
Grimnir said:
So what you're saying is that the show suffered due to the writer growing up from a person with interesting, subversive takes into someone boring?
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Coming of age: the anime: the director.

Really wish anime coming of age stories would stop it with interesting kids being unremarkable adults in the the epilogue.
 
Well that was a derivative and poorly executed waste of time.

Nishigori's pet project was so much less than the sum of its interesting and talented parts.
 
Dermonster said:
It might just be hearsay, but I vaguely recall reading that the last half of the series was written by a different studio? Or something along those lines.
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I saw on another site people saying Trigger said at anime expo they weren't getting along well with the collab between studios with it mostly ending after episode 15 and they had to shorten the series by two episodes but the person posting it said it wasn't a very reliable source who started saying that.
 
Finished watching DITF and enjoyed it.

Though, yeah, Episode 20 jumps the sharks so hard that it left orbit. And, while it does manage to land without turning into a flaming wreck, it really could have done without the inclusion of the DERAIL THE PLOT PURPLES in the first place.
 
tankdrop24 said:
Really, this isn't just jumping the shark or dropping the ball. This is launching yourself into space over the shark on a Saturn V while firing the Ball out of a railgun into the center of earth while the guy from the history channel with the weird hair says aliens are responsible.
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I'm tempted to sig this. :V
 
I actually enjoyed the entire series from start to end. I binged it, and somehow was way more invested than I thought I would be. I looked past many of the things that everyone on this thread is complaining about, mainly because I knew it was coming, thanks to following this forum. it allowed me to watch it for the underlying stories, and of course Hiro/Zero Two's relationship. putting the sexual innuendo and overarching sexual themes aside, it was not as bad as some on this thread say it is. I enjoyed the final few episodes as much as I enjoyed the rest of them.

I would watch it again. it was enjoyable. maybe I am just not as critical of things, and I like a good story. for the most part it was well written and well put together. 8/10 IMO (but it gets a bonus point for making the wife cry toward the end of episode 23, and all of episode 24 basically... so 9/10)
 
Mechasaurian said:
I still feel that something went wrong in the process.

I mean, the director was the same guy from start to finish, right? So why did he do this? FRANXX started out as a fresh and distinct show - it had its own unique aesthetic which I haven't seen anywhere else, it had extremely expressive mechs powered by romance, it had all the innuendo. And then it just...stopped being its own thing and started aping five other mecha franchises, and completely abandoned most everything it had built up in terms of themes, characterization, and plot development.
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Simpsons Bliss Stage and Goddanar did it first.
 
Okay I know the dust has settled but it seems that new developments in the manga has occurred that are different from the anime.

Ichigo is probably dead.

Hey at this rate, we might get a different ending from the anime. It's something to look forward to if only to hope for a better ending.
 
AnonymousRabbit said:
Okay I know the dust has settled but it seems that new developments in the manga has occurred that are different from the anime.

Ichigo is probably dead.

Hey at this rate, we might get a different ending from the anime. It's something to look forward to if only to hope for a better ending.
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On the one hand! Hooray, events are progressing differently!

On the other hand, they killed off Best Girl. :(
 
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