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DARLING in the FRANXX - it's literal

I have to say that going from the second ever pride festival ever in my town, past the god hates fags people to watching this episode was a very bad idea. Watching the show take time to explain why it isn't gay because balls aren't touching he is actually a clone of a girl landed so fucking flat that it broke through the crust of the planet. Then after 9'α killed themselves so the straight couple can get together after the show went hilariously far out of its way to make sure none of the main characters died it just keeps sinking right into the crushing depths of the earth's core. Then you add in that I'm not sure the show ever ment Mitsuru ever to be read as queer in anyway with the way it dropped his relationship with Hiro so fast the second Kokoro came around it could have been used to power a Tannhauser Gate. I mean if they actually meant him to have some kind of queer coding then they have failed so hilariously hard that they turned it into Abe propaganda for men to take responsibility protect the people they knock up that they don't remember while at the same time saying men making babies after barely meeting someone who wants them largely for the babies they can give them is good. It is like the show is actively trying to kill any bit of goodwill I had for it.

It also doesn't help that the entire episode failed at giving a sense of scale to any of the space battles or even any excitement. The entire thing felt like a forgotten 00's mecha show that had seen gunbusters once but didn't actually understand how to show scale in space other then having a big thing in the distance with small things close. I know this show can do scale right, we have all seen it. Yet the second they get to space they forgot everything they had done before and made a mess. It doesn't help that none of the fights in space where interesting or visually different. It is just the same things we saw on the ground but with even less getting thrown around. Nothing was kinetic and despite the thrown of comment about gs and speed it was less high agility then bloody Gundam: IBO and that show is specifically trying to be slower than normal.
 
I believe the issue here is lack of episodes. They lacked episodes to make everything not feel rushed. I believe this series could have been better if it has more episodes planned
 
Tasrill said:
Maybe because no one has linked to it and we didn't know it was out yet.



I have many questions. Most importantly what is the metaphor of the franxx if two people with zero chemistry can pilot it together but a person with a one sided crush can't?
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Two people that arent emotionally invested in eachother can have one off flings but if one person wants a committed relationship and the other isnt interested things are incredibly awkward.
 
Astra Myst said:
I believe the issue here is lack of episodes. They lacked episodes to make everything not feel rushed. I believe this series could have been better if it has more episodes planned
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24 episodes is more than enough to do a symbolism heavy mystery show. Hell plenty of them do that in one Cour so Darling in the Fraxx already got a dozen more episodes to work with. You don't waste an entire episode to a secondary character's flashback after doing interesting background world building if you are paced well. Really all signs point to them simply not pacing the time they had well, not having solid plans of what they wanted the show to be beyond a vague outline, and some very not good or just amazingly boring implications of what they actually want to say as the cherry on top.

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Two people that arent emotionally invested in eachother can have one off flings but if one person wants a committed relationship and the other isnt interested things are incredibly awkward.
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I have seen the episode and no this isn't even a fling this is 'no we can pilot together because of my special powers for lore reasons'. This is no flowery language of getting inside each other, there is not fluffy embarrassment, no even hints to anything sexual of a show that drowns in sexual metaphors about piloting the sex robots. In the show that gave us the line "I feel myself going deeper inside you" and "You want to ride me, huh?", it become more super serious then Heero Yuy the second two male presenting characters are in the robot together.
 
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Clearly the alphas are all hermaphrodites and that's why they can be both stamens and pistils
case closed
 
Tasrill said:
I have to say that going from the second ever pride festival ever in my town, past the god hates fags people to watching this episode was a very bad idea. Watching the show take time to explain why it isn't gay because balls aren't touching he is actually a clone of a girl landed so fucking flat that it broke through the crust of the planet. Then after 9'α killed themselves so the straight couple can get together after the show went hilariously far out of its way to make sure none of the main characters died it just keeps sinking right into the crushing depths of the earth's core. Then you add in that I'm not sure the show ever ment Mitsuru ever to be read as queer in anyway with the way it dropped his relationship with Hiro so fast the second Kokoro came around it could have been used to power a Tannhauser Gate. I mean if they actually meant him to have some kind of queer coding then they have failed so hilariously hard that they turned it into Abe propaganda for men to take responsibility protect the people they knock up that they don't remember while at the same time saying men making babies after barely meeting someone who wants them largely for the babies they can give them is good. It is like the show is actively trying to kill any bit of goodwill I had for it.
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The thing with Kokoro is so damn frustrating to me because the beautiful dramatic irony was so close I could taste it! Having her leave Futoshi for Mitsuru, only for Mitsuru to leave her for what's basically the same reason she left Futoshi, but no one involved is really in the wrong would have been great. It might not have been what some people wanted to see, but it would have really made the show a lot more interesting.

A part of me can't help but imagine they had interesting plans early on, but then a bunch of Japanese SWAT burst in and announced this anime's production had been nationalized on order of the Prime Minister.

Really, this isn't just jumping the shark or dropping the ball. This is launching yourself into space over the shark on a Saturn V while firing the Ball out of a railgun into the center of earth while the guy from the history channel with the weird hair says aliens are responsible. This show had so much potential in terms of themes, and after episode 15 it seems like they decided they wanted go the most stale, boring, inoffensive route possible.
 
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tankdrop24 said:
The thing with Kokoro is so damn frustrating to me because the beautiful dramatic irony was so close I could taste it! Having her leave Futoshi for Mitsuru, only for Mitsuru to leave her for what's basically the same reason she left Futoshi, but no one involved is really in the wrong would have been great. It might not have been what some people wanted to see, but it would have really made the show a lot more interesting.

A part of me can't help but imagine they had interesting plans early on, but then a bunch of Japanese SWAT burst in and announced this anime's production had been nationalized on order of the Prime Minister.

Really, this isn't just jumping the shark or dropping the ball. This is launching your into space on a Saturn V while firing a Ball out of a railgun into the center of earth while the guy from the history channel with the weird hair says aliens are responsible. This show had so much potential in terms of themes, and after episode 15 it seems like they decided they wanted go the most stale, boring, inoffensive route possible.
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That would have been cool. At this point, I'm kind of expecting next episode to be like 60% trigger-style bombastic final space battle, with the last bit being dedicated to whatever happy/sad end they have in store for Hiro/02 and then a few minutes for a montage epilogue with the rest of the squad and humanity's recovery. If it goes like that, I'm gonna have to wonder what the hell the point even was of spending so much time on the beta couple stuff. Coulda given me some more Goro screen time instead, dammit! :V
 
Tasrill said:
not having solid plans of what they wanted the show to be beyond a vague outline
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It's a series that had ten years of planning, and just the document giving to the voice actors was like a phonebook. This isn't a case of Nishigori not having an idea of where he wanted to go, it's that the place he wanted to go was just the ending of Gunbuster.
 
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Ford Prefect said:
It's a series that had ten years of planning, and just the document giving to the voice actors was like a phonebook. This isn't a case of Nishigori not having an idea of where he wanted to go, it's just that the place he wanted to go was just the ending of Gunbuster.
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This is like taking ten years to plan a boating trip on a course that will take you off a waterfall, when there's an obvious route to safety right there, and never realizing it!
 
tankdrop24 said:
This is like taking ten years to plan a boating trip on a course that will take you off a waterfall, when there's an obvious route to safety right there, and never realizing it!
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As a former Gainax staffer it's likely that Gunbuster meant a great deal to him, and so that's where his ideas went.

I mean, maybe it's going someplace else, but I expect that Hiro and Zero Two will have a colossal showdown with VIRM, defeat them, and then make the long trek back home to discover either their friends all grown up in the new society they've built with Mistelteinn as its heart, or the descendants of Squad 13 waiting for them to return. And like, I'm interested in seeing these character complete their journey, but that will ultimately be disappointing.

But, importantly, this is not the end result of a lack of planning and consideration.
 
Ford Prefect said:
It's a series that had ten years of planning, and just the document giving to the voice actors was like a phonebook. This isn't a case of Nishigori not having an idea of where he wanted to go, it's that the place he wanted to go was just the ending of Gunbuster.
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Well that makes it more depressing at how much the show has managed to toss away anything interesting it had and the general pacing issues the show has been having.
 
Tasrill said:
Well that makes it more depressing at how much the show has managed to toss away anything interesting it had and the general pacing issues the show has been having.
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I can't stress this enough but seeing how the manga is going with its pace on characterization I have the feeling that the series had a lot of promise but problems behind the scenes lead to a rushed and, honestly, dissapointing later half, and since this is co-produced between Trigger and A-1 pictures, chances are that differences between the studios impacted negatively on the series as a whole.
 
akrasiel23 said:
I can't stress this enough but seeing how the manga is going with its pace on characterization I have the feeling that the series had a lot of promise but problems behind the scenes lead to a rushed and, honestly, dissapointing later half, and since this is co-produced between Trigger and A-1 pictures, chances are that differences between the studios impacted negatively on the series as a whole.
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A fairly high-up Trigger staffer mentioned that while there were benefits, coordinating a big co-production like Darlifra was extremely difficult, and they would likely not do it again.

That said, the show has looked incredibly consistent, and animation production is usually what suffers most visibly in cases of studio issues. Given that Umehara only just stopped appearing as the voice of Goro, that does suggest they were really far ahead of the curve in terms of recording and other production. That's pretty impressive.
 
Ford Prefect said:
A fairly high-up Trigger staffer mentioned that while there were benefits, coordinating a big co-production like Darlifra was extremely difficult, and they would likely not do it again.

That said, the show has looked incredibly consistent, and animation production is usually what suffers most visibly in cases of studio issues. Given that Umehara only just stopped appearing as the voice of Goro, that does suggest they were really far ahead of the curve in terms of recording and other production. That's pretty impressive.
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That really makes me wonder what happened with the writing of the overarching plot.

Do you know who the main writer is? I'm not terribly well informed on how anime production works, so I'm not sure who on the production team is involved in writing the scrip. Atsushi Nishigori is the director and was involved in the series composition and storyboard, would that make him the primary author of the series? He seems to have a great resume as an animator, but have much less experience as a director and writer.
 
PhoenixMercurous said:
That really makes me wonder what happened with the writing of the overarching plot.

Do you know who the main writer is? I'm not terribly well informed on how anime production works, so I'm not sure who on the production team is involved in writing the scrip. Atsushi Nishigori is the director and was involved in the series composition and storyboard, would that make him the primary author of the series? He seems to have a great resume as an animator, but have much less experience as a director and writer.
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Darlifra is Nishigori's baby. It's his original concept, and he's responsible for the setting, the story, the characters, and he's been involved in a lot of things that the director usually isn't - he has a close working relationship with the actors, which is atypical. He could have done the character designs too, if he wanted.

Also reportedly he is very kind.

Series composition refers to the person in charge of coordinating the story, in the sense of managing the scriptwriting.
 
Tasrill said:
Actually there is a sign. Kokoro is in the same maternity dress in the PV. Though with the way the show is going I put the chance that every female character is pregnant at 90%. Yes everyone even the explicitly gay character.
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I'll raise you one further. If we get an epilogue, all the female characters (except maybe Zero Two) will be pregnant while still teenagers. They'll probably treat Ikuno being a lesbian as just a phase she grew out of and have her be with Futoshi.

[sarcasm] Because being gay is a no-no, but teen pregnancy is great! AmIright? [/sarcasm]
 
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