DARLING in the FRANXX - it's literal

And I guess that's it.

It's not what I really wanted to see (which may have just been 12 years of blue oni hiro and red oni zerotsu breaking every bed in sight and having heart attack inducing cutes)

But I think I'm still okay with this. It's a happy ending in it's own way, and it still touched the boner in my heart.
 
Well, the finale is up. It was significantly better than I expected. The epilogue was probably the best part, though it wasn't perfect.
 
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So all of the remaining members of squad thirteen have babies ever after barring Ikuno who seems to be bed ridden and Naomi who was last seen holding the former's hand. At the least her legacy seems to be having slowed the parasite rapid aging if I understood it right.
 
Further thoughts- I still think eps 6, 13 and 15 were the peaks of the series, and that it sorta lost its way in the last chunk. But at the same time, they managed to carry through with it.

They may have died, but it was together, and with acceptance, and the theme of finding each other again does still fit given their deal of being one and finding each other again no matter what happens- the deal with soulmates does mean a lot more in thing which aren't from judeo-christian dominated religious mindsetish stuff.

And it's still a living on through their deeds sorta deal- rejection of VIRMs mindset and crippling them, so while they're still present, they're not a threat any any further confrontation is likely to be as a "stick with what is, even if you've reached the peak of what physicality can bring" vs "keep moving forwards, even if it means cutting off everything else" deal, instead of happiness vs reality deal, although that might just be me reading too much into the "at the end of evolution line" As well as giving the chance for everyone else to make the world grow properly.

As for the rest of the world rebuilding bit... I can't find much fault in it, even if I'd have preferred hir02 to have lived so they could have actually reunited with the others and seen how the world changed.

So yeah, final verdict is... it's maybe not the best it could have been, but it still worked, and I'm largely okay with it. Stll managed to touch the heartstrings of this absolute sap.
 
Just watched the finale, got trapped in a glass box of emotion.

Got very Gurren Lagann vibes from the final episodes of this show, and I mean that in a good way.

I did think that APE turning out to be puppets of transdimensional aliens all along was a weird direction for the plot to go in though, especially with the Klaxosaurs then being portrayed as the kinda-sorta good guys.
 
Further thoughts- I still think eps 6, 13 and 15 were the peaks of the series, and that it sorta lost its way in the last chunk. But at the same time, they managed to carry through with it.

They may have died, but it was together, and with acceptance, and the theme of finding each other again does still fit given their deal of being one and finding each other again no matter what happens- the deal with soulmates does mean a lot more in thing which aren't from judeo-christian dominated religious mindsetish stuff.

And it's still a living on through their deeds sorta deal- rejection of VIRMs mindset and crippling them, so while they're still present, they're not a threat any any further confrontation is likely to be as a "stick with what is, even if you've reached the peak of what physicality can bring" vs "keep moving forwards, even if it means cutting off everything else" deal, instead of happiness vs reality deal, although that might just be me reading too much into the "at the end of evolution line" As well as giving the chance for everyone else to make the world grow properly.

As for the rest of the world rebuilding bit... I can't find much fault in it, even if I'd have preferred hir02 to have lived so they could have actually reunited with the others and seen how the world changed.

So yeah, final verdict is... it's maybe not the best it could have been, but it still worked, and I'm largely okay with it. Stll managed to touch the heartstrings of this absolute sap.

Agreed. Episode 13 was probably my favorite out of the whole series and 15 is a solid second. Episode 6 was good, but Hiro's dino-tumor healing instantly was a little too much for me.

Thinking on it more, episode 24 was probably the best from 19 on, maybe even the best since 15. Though it still felt like some parts were forced references.

In particular, the last bit of the fight where Strelizia breaks out of Apath felt like it was just there to be a Gurren Lagann reference.
 
Apath punching the bomb and getting its forearm broken off was shot-for-shot Gunbuster, though. So was the "two lights dancing around each other descending to Earth".
 
Apath punching the bomb and getting its forearm broken off was shot-for-shot Gunbuster, though. So was the "two lights dancing around each other descending to Earth".

Okay, I got the reference wrong again. I haven't gotten around to watching that show. The scene in DarliFra still felt like a forced reference to me.
 
Refer to this and this, respectively. (Mods, if you have issue with the first video because of teh boobz, I'll accept an infraction for it. Just note that the eighties had a different standard for fanservice.)

This show's got good pedigree.
 
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Refer to this and this, respectively. (Mods, if you have issue with the first video because of teh boobz, I'll accept an infraction for it. Just note that the eighties had a different standard for fanservice.)

This show's got good pedigree.

The show DarliFra references (according to you) is on my to-watch mecha anime list. It's just that I don't have anyone to watch old anime with, so I usually don't.

I kind of feel like DarliFra's pedigree almost worked against it. It almost feels like the show tried to copy from old mecha shows without a good enough grasp on what made those series work or thinking about how all the copied elements would fit together. The pedigree also caused me, and perhaps others, to have high expectations of DarliFra, perhaps too high of expectations. I'm still turning some of this over in my head though.
 
The show DarliFra references (according to you) is on my to-watch mecha anime list. It's just that I don't have anyone to watch old anime with, so I usually don't.

I kind of feel like DarliFra's pedigree almost worked against it. It almost feels like the show tried to copy from old mecha shows without a good enough grasp on what made those series work or thinking about how all the copied elements would fit together. The pedigree also caused me, and perhaps others, to have high expectations of DarliFra, perhaps too high of expectations. I'm still turning some of this over in my head though.

They almost certainly did. DarliFra was a show that just oozed with potential that it summarily pissed away in its second half by shamelessly ripping off dozens of shows that have come before without a single solitary hint of doing anything new with the material it's ripping off. (See the Klaxosaurs being 1:1 knockoffs of the Dinosaur Empire/VIRM and the Anti-Spiral.)

There's nothing wrong with paying tribute to shows that have come before. Not even one whole tenth of Evangelion is original after all, but DarliFra, like RWBY, just makes vapid gestures at a storied genre history and thinks it's a sufficient replacement for good characterization, solid lore, and thematic consistency.

Of course, that's without mentioning some of the outright gross undertones throughout as well, though those are almost certainly unintentional byproducts of being a frankensteinian patchwork.
 
Welp they threw away everything they had with Giro and Ichigo and then they worked so very very hard to only give the barest implications that Ikuno got a girlfriend with a double helping of 'just gals helping their sick pals out'. It has been a long time since a show to make me get this into the potential of it and then wasted every last bit of it to tell a story that would have been old and overdone back in 2000. The battles giant fucking space battles were also boring as hell as 99% of that had next to no movement from the giant woman. Just watch this giant woman get hit by things or shoot things in the distance with her flinching every so often. Well put another one on the pile for why Mecha is a dead genre.
 
This is a 2-cour show so we'll have a lot to discuss over the next half year, so let's see where it goes!

One of the things I do when I finish an anime or JRPG or what have you is think about how far its come since its opening. The contrast between where a story starts and ends is important to me, and the sense of the story having been on a journey is one that really resonates with me.

If nothing else, Darling in the Franxx went on a journey.

It's interesting to look back at my first post, and the almost child-like optimism it contains. The first episode was genuinely really good, and so much of this show is good. Visually, musically, even in terms of its writing, especially early on, Darlrfra was genuinely very remarkable. As a production it almost never faltered, and everyone involved in its creation, from the director to the voice actors to the animators to everyone in-between, worked really hard to make this show. So it's a little disappointing that the journey just wasn't much to write home about.

On the last page I said I expected it to basically just be Gunbuster, and that is more or less what it was. And in the end that is its main failing. At some point it stopped being Darling in the Franxx. It stopped being its own thing, and became increasingly less thoughtful. The sincere attempts at having to say about making bonds were simply far less interesting than the social satire it started with, and just plain sappy.

As I said, I wanted to see the characters complete their journey, and I was happy enough to see that. But despite the show having come a long way, it left me cold.
 
I really hope this won't be another japanese anime where the Rebellious (for lack of a better word) traits disappear in the epilogue and the protagonists all become conforming adults.
 
Have him be the best character in the entire series, then when he has his perfect ending of "kiss the girl once for closure and then ride off to be his own person", fuck that over and have him be Sasuke 2.0: This time with more being a dick to your wife.
Usually I am not one to fall for the seasonal anime hype, but this one burned me hard. The past few episodes were already an indication that they put way too much on their plate to actually go through, but damn, this final episode really cemented it as a gigantic pile of wasted potential. There is some serious analysis needed to figure out on how many levels this had such good starting potential and work put into it, only to fall apart eventually. Given that this is a passion project it only after Kill la Kill confirms for me that Trigger is all about "wouldn't it be cool if?" Ideas, without actually thinking about those ideas. Freaking shame for all the talent and obvious work that went into it.
 
I really hope this won't be another japanese anime where the Rebellious (for lack of a better word) traits disappear in the epilogue and the protagonists all become conforming adults.
I am deeply sorry for you.
 


At least the OP is still nice.....
 
One of the things I do when I finish an anime or JRPG or what have you is think about how far its come since its opening. The contrast between where a story starts and ends is important to me, and the sense of the story having been on a journey is one that really resonates with me.

If nothing else, Darling in the Franxx went on a journey.

It's interesting to look back at my first post, and the almost child-like optimism it contains. The first episode was genuinely really good, and so much of this show is good. Visually, musically, even in terms of its writing, especially early on, Darlrfra was genuinely very remarkable. As a production it almost never faltered, and everyone involved in its creation, from the director to the voice actors to the animators to everyone in-between, worked really hard to make this show. So it's a little disappointing that the journey just wasn't much to write home about.

On the last page I said I expected it to basically just be Gunbuster, and that is more or less what it was. And in the end that is its main failing. At some point it stopped being Darling in the Franxx. It stopped being its own thing, and became increasingly less thoughtful. The sincere attempts at having to say about making bonds were simply far less interesting than the social satire it started with, and just plain sappy.

As I said, I wanted to see the characters complete their journey, and I was happy enough to see that. But despite the show having come a long way, it left me cold.

I think you hit the nail on the head. It tries so much to emulate it's predecessors it stops being its own unique thing. I mean sure, just because the director used to be Gainax and Trigger helped on this and they have a lot of suddenly aliens doesn't mean they had to do the same thing. Sadly, I think the alternative, APE being humans and Squad 13 having to fight against authority, would be too against the grain that Japanese thinking entails. But, that was the way the story was developing before that and it would have been much stronger and memorable for following that path to its conclusion. At this point...I don't think anyone (and yes, I'm exaggerating a little) will be talking about this show in 2 - 5 years time.

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@JBO

This wasn't really Trigger it was a former Gainax guy at A1 directing and got some help from his buddies at Trigger. They weren't really behind the story.
 
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I still stand by what I said earlier: DarliFra is the Aim for the Top series for those uncomfortable with (main character) lesbian romantic undertones.

One of the things I do when I finish an anime or JRPG or what have you is think about how far its come since its opening. The contrast between where a story starts and ends is important to me, and the sense of the story having been on a journey is one that really resonates with me.

If nothing else, Darling in the Franxx went on a journey.

It's interesting to look back at my first post, and the almost child-like optimism it contains. The first episode was genuinely really good, and so much of this show is good. Visually, musically, even in terms of its writing, especially early on, Darlrfra was genuinely very remarkable. As a production it almost never faltered, and everyone involved in its creation, from the director to the voice actors to the animators to everyone in-between, worked really hard to make this show. So it's a little disappointing that the journey just wasn't much to write home about.

On the last page I said I expected it to basically just be Gunbuster, and that is more or less what it was. And in the end that is its main failing. At some point it stopped being Darling in the Franxx. It stopped being its own thing, and became increasingly less thoughtful. The sincere attempts at having to say about making bonds were simply far less interesting than the social satire it started with, and just plain sappy.

As I said, I wanted to see the characters complete their journey, and I was happy enough to see that. But despite the show having come a long way, it left me cold.

Ford, it was always Gun(well, Die)buster with a little Manic Pixie Dream Girl romance story that turned into E7 for the main couple and some early-mid Evangelion for the side characters. Hiro was a less likable Nono from the jump, in everything but gender and hair. He even had the little shitty box robot Nono got. 02 was Lal'c in attitude and status, but Nono in body type.

It was never really it's own thing, but the ~symbolism~ made it seem more, I guess? There was no social satire, there was no parody, just an earnest attempt to tell a very traditional Japanese love story and a lot of artistic pretension.

Looking at it that way, the main fuckup was introducing the Anti-Spirals so late; they didn't add to the "teenage love/rebellion" plot thread and there was no time to actually let the slam bang mecha anime plot elements breathe. Shit came out of left field and given how weak the fight animation ended up being, pleased nobody.
 
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I think you hit the nail on the head. It tries so much to emulate it's predecessors it stops being its own unique thing. I mean sure, just because the director used to be Gainax and Trigger helped on this and they have a lot of suddenly aliens doesn't mean they had to do the same thing. Sadly, I think the alternative, APE being humans and Squad 13 having to fight against authority, would be too against the grain that Japanese thinking entails. But, that was the way the story was developing before that and it would have been much stronger and memorable for following that path to its conclusion. At this point...I don't think anyone (and yes, I'm exaggerating a little) will be talking about this show in 2 - 5 years time.
Like another show with "good concept, bad execution" I think this show like Mirai Nikki will be mostly remembered for its waifu and nothing else. Which is a shame, cause while Mirai Nikki was always enjoyable trash, DarliFra actually started off very strong. I was genuinely angered, yet sympathetic to Ikuno when "the kiss" happened, while all my reactions to Mirai Nikki, which I posted back in Ah.com way back were "wow this is enjoyably trashy, lets see if the rabbit hole goes deeper".


EDIT: Thanks for the info. Still to me the Trigger trend apart from this (IIRC they were also the main guys responsible for P&S way back when they were Gainax) seems to be up its ass "artsyness" trying to recapture the momentous social event that was NGE. But since its not a Trigger series, I'll end this tangent.
 
There's nothing new under the sun, so presentation is often key. That a show shares DNA with earlier shows is of no concern to me. All I care about is what is done with it.
Best example:
NGE and TTGL are among my favourite series of all time (yes I am basic, couldn't you tell? :p)
The latter is a direct thematic, narrative and character answer to the former, yet that does not diminish the points it is making, if anything it enhances them and adds to the points NGE had made before them and the rewatch value of that series.
What DarliFra sadly ended up doing is mostly using references to earlier works as that is what is the current hot thing to do in media, without actually adding their own spin to the plot points or unique observations on the theme.
 
Like another show with "good concept, bad execution" I think this show like Mirai Nikki will be mostly remembered for its waifu and nothing else. Which is a shame, cause while Mirai Nikki was always enjoyable trash, DarliFra actually started off very strong. I was genuinely angered, yet sympathetic to Ikuno when "the kiss" happened, while all my reactions to Mirai Nikki, which I posted back in Ah.com way back were "wow this is enjoyably trashy, lets see if the rabbit hole goes deeper".

You're probably right, though I'm a little sad you are. The first fourteen episodes were legitimately good.

There's nothing new under the sun, so presentation is often key. That a show shares DNA with earlier shows is of no concern to me. All I care about is what is done with it.

As Jim Jarmusch says, "True artists steal." I have no problem with someone taking and mixing various tings from various art and media they love. The key is though that you have to love everything you take and you have to make it yours in the taking.
 
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