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Is our control that fine? I mean, Endbringer, so it probably is?
CYOA is a Chalice of Regrets: A Worm SI Quest
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Chaosbrain
The End comes beyond Chaos...
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chocolote12
A Penguin Flailing Against The Keyboard Of Life.
... One's a picture of electrical signals, and the other is two things vaguely related to electricity?
Can you spot the difference?
The Simurgh uses telekinesis to move brain cells around. We've got electricity and a shard brain. If we don't automatically come with wifi, we can make it, easy peasy.
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Chaosbrain
The End comes beyond Chaos...
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Heh heh, okay I will speak plainly. We DONT have electrical powers. We have LIGHTNING (KRACK-A-THOOM!) powers. That is to say, big bolts of electricity in the medium of air. Its like if we had picked fire, it would not have been temperature control, and so we wouldnt be freezing anything, or sand control does not equal rock control.
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"a reason or justification given for an action or belief"
As an example, I am writing this response as I feel I should explain what I was thinking while I was talking to Chocolote12.
A misinterpretation on what I said, as I did not mention useful powers we could gain from Power Mimicry in that post, only in later ones. I suggested going to Brockton Bay to apply our knowledge of the plot or New York to establish a reputation as examples of where we could go for the sake of discussion.
Chocolote12 separately quotes the two places and their explanations on what we could gain by going there and asked why for each of them, implying that he or she does not understand any reason why we would go to either place when I already explained why for each location. I interpreted this as a lack of effort in understanding what I wrote about benefits in going to these places, and I expressed that in my response, as well as providing further reasons on why we would go to each location, and mentioning that we need to prepare for going up against Scion and the other Endbringers.
Turns out, Chocolote12 actually wanted to know why I came up with an idea to set up somewhere, and since I felt that with just a bit of thinking it should be obvious (Imagining the benefits of setting up somewhere inspired me to bring this up as a discussion), I again interpreted the question as a lack of effort in understanding what I am trying to say, but I responded anyway and said that setting up somewhere would help us do what we need to do.
Chocolote12 then asks what do we need to do, when I had already explained what we need to do in the 2nd post (Prepare to deal with Scion and the other Endbringers). At this point, I feel that Chocolote12 is not going to be paying attention to what I am saying, so I decide it is better to cut my losses and say I'm not going to bother trying to help Chocolote12 understand as I believe it is not worth the time thinking up of an argument that I believed he or she would dismiss due to personal incredulity as Chocolote12 stated that "You aren't going to get anywhere any time soon if you're incapable of saying in very small words where you're going in the first place."
The only person I was supposedly "yelling" at about this was Chocolote12, so I am going to interpret this this as a lack of effort in understanding what we talked about.
I was and still am sincerely grateful for Karmaoa and Archangis for their contributions to the discussion I proposed. Thank you for your time.
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Like the other three?
In all seriousness, I understand where you're coming from, but after Ziz they aren't going to take anything we say or do as anything other than evil unless they can independently verify it. Even then it's likely that the Fallen would be the only one's to even bother. We've got a major uphill battle towards doing anything productive, especially if we're trying to do it in the open, so long as Destructive Impulse is still a factor.
Also, Eidolon might not be the key to it. We aren't a standard endbringer, so we might be running on something other than Eden's hardware.
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Okay I am just going to ask, why in the world when it comes to playing a character people complain about white knighting but also push for black knighting? While white knighting is an accusation of people wanting to be white knights by being good guys which they complain as boring black knights tend to want to be generic evil villains who have no depth even though villains like the S9 get strongly criticized as being lousy 2 dimensional villains with many people hating the S9 arcs because of them.
You'd think that more people would just want to go for a sort of middle ground instead of going either extremes of either good or evil.
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Yes. You jumped to a lack of effort rather than extending due good faith. Reviewing your own posts, I am forced to conclude that this same lack of effort characterizes you.
For example;
When chocolote12 explicitly asks what the base motivation would be, you respond with the following;
Which names no base motivation whatsoever.
Condescending and blaming the other party while doing exactly what you accuse them of makes you look stupid and assholish.
If you are not willing to invest the effort to explain, don't be surprised when others are confused, and don't condescend on it. It's perfectly fine to say 'I'd like to do x, I can't really explain why'. It is not fine to indicate the other members of the discussion are stupid and/or lazy for not reading your mind, doubly so when you appear to have, yourself, put zero effort into understanding explicitly stated questions.
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Hah, fair. And I doubt they'll ever trust us, but getting past the "setting off Endbringer alarms every time we twitch" stage would be nice.Like the other three?
In all seriousness, I understand where you're coming from, but after Ziz they aren't going to take anything we say or do as anything other than evil unless they can independently verify it. Even then it's likely that the Fallen would be the only one's to even bother. We've got a major uphill battle towards doing anything productive, especially if we're trying to do it in the open, so long as Destructive Impulse is still a factor.
Also, Eidolon might not be the key to it. We aren't a standard endbringer, so we might be running on something other than Eden's hardware.
He may not be key to our Destructive Impulse, but he's probably still key to the DI's of the other Endbringers.
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It's worth a try at least, yeah.
So, thread. Eidolon. Kill him or try to fix him?
With our power copying ability, killing him would probably be easy. He only has three powers that take a while to charge up. He rolls badly, he dies.
On the other hand, that brings us into the endgame without him or GU having his ghost and ruins any chance of co-operation with Cauldron, putting the final battle solely in our court.
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Killing him would actually present a few problems you're probably not thinking of. It might cause the Endbringers to start obeying other humans, which means we suddenly have Endbringers that aren't sandbagging anymore and aren't limited to the "only attack around every 3 months" rule. If Scion kills one of the three other Endbringers, it might mean we won't be getting Khonsu, Tohu, and Bohu for the final battle.
Fixing him presents massive challenges, and we may just end up alienating him.
One thing I do want to suggest: Tell Ediolon that he can regain his power by draining other parahumans. I think that this would work in our favor, as a peak strength Eidolon would be strong enough to drive us off when we are acting on Destructive Impulses (preferably before Scion shows up and starts attacking us), but not enough to kill us.
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Fix him, IMO. Part of that's altruism speaking, part of that's because I want Eidolon at 100% to fight Scion and because I don't want to piss off Cauldron.
OverReactionGuy
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Eidolon 100% dies like a chump anyway. Scion inefficient PtV's him, says a few mean words and then kills him with the fuck you beam when he pauses like a dumbass.
Killing him means we don't need to deal with the other endbringers as they go dormant too.
Killing him means we don't need to deal with the other endbringers as they go dormant too.
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If we tell him he created the Endbringers before the final battle, he has time to process that, which means Scion can't PtV him.
Except the Endbringers didn't go dormant when he died?
chocolote12
A Penguin Flailing Against The Keyboard Of Life.
Scion can always PtV him. That's why it's so broken. He could just go "induce epilepsy in this guy with the least amount of effort required" and get the same result. What's one human brain's reaction compared to another?
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True, but Scion won't start attacking to kill until Kevin tells him to. That doesn't happen for another month or so and we should have a bit before the next attack afterwards.
He's going to hate us anyway, by fix him I meant tell him and company why the Endbringers are a thing and let them sort it out.
Can I get a citation on that? It's not that I don't believe you, but that's something I haven't heard of before.
Cauldron can't really do too much against us. Alienating them will reduce our chances in the endgame, but so long as we don't kill Contessa, Numberman, or Doctor Mother they will still do what they can to improve the odds and be there regardless of what else happens. Alexandria and Legend are only important because they have strong powers and can rally people, but Chevalier do that almost as well and, theoretically, we only need to hit with Sting to win.
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Actually if we warn him about that before hand he may be able to get a power to counter that before it happens. There has been at least one power that has been shown to counter PtV.
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OverReactionGuy
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Actually we have a year or 2 before Kevin tells Scion to kill the endbringers. Since Behemoth dies after a timeskip or whatever and that's when Scion takes the endbringers seriously. Anyway, Scion would only show up if things take to long and humans create to much noise to get his attention, otherwise he'd be saving cats from trees or some shit.
They did. They only got active again because of Lisa talking to the Simurgh.
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In this story, it is April 8th, 2011. Behemoth dies on July 26th, 2011 in canon, so optimistically we have 3 months, but I suggest not taking any needless risks due to our presence changing the timeline.
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Yeah, we probably threw the whole Endbringer schedule for a loop. I wouldn't count on Leviathan or Behemoth being anywhere near the same.
Thankfully Ziz just attacked, so we have a few months until she can mess with us directly.
Okibruez
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This assumes they're going to follow the usual rules.
To be frank, remember that the wonderful 'world's most powerful psychic' happens to be our sort-of-sister.
You know. The Simurgh.
I'm not going to expect them to hold back. Especially not if our plans are anything less than aligned with hers.
... I wonder if we can strike up a dialog with her, knowing what we do, and what she knows.
To be frank, remember that the wonderful 'world's most powerful psychic' happens to be our sort-of-sister.
You know. The Simurgh.
I'm not going to expect them to hold back. Especially not if our plans are anything less than aligned with hers.
... I wonder if we can strike up a dialog with her, knowing what we do, and what she knows.
Chaosbrain
The End comes beyond Chaos...
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- Between East and West, North and South.
Word of insider: this is the day before the first scene of the story. We have two years until Behemoth died in canon.
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Why convince anybody when you can just master them? I mean it's unsporting, but Heartbreaker's still a thing, and we know that he's somewhere in Montreal.
We'd have to keep our power copying skills a secret lest the higher ups decide that the fallout of killing Heartbreaker is less terrible than the fallout of having him fall into our hands, but that's doable.
We'd also have to keep our parahuman help alive after that, but with our copied powers that's also doable even if they don't scale with our form.
Complications aside, we can then cheerfully tour the worlds, collecting all the parahumans we need to kill Scion.
That all said, I don't want to see this happen. I'd hate for this to become a tryhard fix quest. Honestly I just kinda want to do random shit and take this to new territory. Let Unwelcomestorm worry about all the story telling and cause effect stuff. I'm of the opinion that we should just do whatever shortsighted thing that seems like the most fun at the time.
We'd have to keep our power copying skills a secret lest the higher ups decide that the fallout of killing Heartbreaker is less terrible than the fallout of having him fall into our hands, but that's doable.
We'd also have to keep our parahuman help alive after that, but with our copied powers that's also doable even if they don't scale with our form.
Complications aside, we can then cheerfully tour the worlds, collecting all the parahumans we need to kill Scion.
That all said, I don't want to see this happen. I'd hate for this to become a tryhard fix quest. Honestly I just kinda want to do random shit and take this to new territory. Let Unwelcomestorm worry about all the story telling and cause effect stuff. I'm of the opinion that we should just do whatever shortsighted thing that seems like the most fun at the time.
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They can't do much against us, but they can do stuff for us. I don't want to prevent an alliance, if one is at all possible.