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CV12Hornet Cleans Out His Fanfiction Favorites List (Beware of Shit Taste)

Which list should I go through first?

  • Fanfiction.net

    Votes: 24 66.7%

  • FIMfiction.net

    Votes: 8 22.2%

  • Spacebattles

    Votes: 2 5.6%

  • Sufficient Velocity.

    Votes: 2 5.6%
  • Total voters
    36
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Duncan Idaho said:
I just quoted the manga, and while you are correct in that my memory is wrong:



Kakshi says he is the one who has the greater stamina (one of the two components of chakra) due to Kurama. He also cites that this is the reason why his control is erratic.

Also in the following pages as it happens, even while sealed Naruto gets the hang of water walking exceedingly quickly, and not only that but this is while his chakra is being actively fucked with due to the five prong seal.
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If the amount of Chakra a person has determines their baseline talent/chance for chakra control, how do you explain that Naruto and Sasuke advanced at a rather similar rate in wave? They finished at the same time. Considering Naruto started lower than Sasuke, this would imply that Naruto's control increased faster than Sasuke's. If the amount of chakra you have affects your control, does this then mean that Sasuke has more Chakra than Naruto, since Naruto's control increased faster? I'd question that claim.

How do you account for Tsunade's actions during Pain's attack on Konoha? Tsunade is famous for her incredible Chakra-control. Yet during the attack she summoned a Boss level entity, spread it across her entire village and used that to transmit healing chakra to everyone. Even with the preparations she made, no matter how efficient her chakra use...she still needs to put out enough chakra to summon and to provide the energy to heal an army.

I also seem to recall that Sakura's advice to Naruto in wave was to keep calm. Since chakra has a mental component I suppose that makes sense. Since Naruto tends to be anything but calm, naturally his control would be erratic.

Claiming that Naruto's problems are based on the amount of chakra he has is a quick and convenient way to make him seem "better" simply because he is not to blame for his control issues.

Much in the same way, fanon will claim that Naruto was sabotaged, can't read properly, needs glasses or whatever else you can come up with to explain his lack of education and training. When we did, in fact, get a flashback to a sparring match where Naruto not only refused to do the seal of reconciliation but simply fled school instead of dealing with his loss.

By the same token, fanon will claim that Naruto always wanted to be Hokage in order to protect his "precious people" when this is, in fact, questionable. He got this from Haku. Before that he flat out told Tazuna he wanted to become Hokage so everyone would be FORCED to acknowledge him.
 
The whole "bad control because too much chakra" is not remotely incompatible with "just needed proper training". It makes a lot of sense that, in having the vast chakra reserves that he demonstrably does have, his natural tendency is to use too much of it. Then, with proper training, he learns how to not do that anymore.
 
Heliomance said:
The whole "bad control because too much chakra" is not remotely incompatible with "just needed proper training". It makes a lot of sense that, in having the vast chakra reserves that he demonstrably does have, his natural tendency is to use too much of it. Then, with proper training, he learns how to not do that anymore.
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Except the first Chakra Control Exercise I remember, tree climing, Naruto proceeds to not use enough power. That undermines the 'Naruto Overloads Jutsus' that keeps getting brought up as a peeve here, though it doesn't necessarily undermine too much chakra resulting in bad control.
 
Heliomance said:
The whole "bad control because too much chakra" is not remotely incompatible with "just needed proper training". It makes a lot of sense that, in having the vast chakra reserves that he demonstrably does have, his natural tendency is to use too much of it. Then, with proper training, he learns how to not do that anymore.
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Naruto explicitly applies too little in Tree Climbing and Ebisu explicitly says he calls up too much, applies too little.

It is not, by any stretch, intuitive to say that 'large amounts of Chakra are inherently hard to control, therefore my boy Naruto calls up two-thirds again the cost and wastes all of that, oh and only actually gets one third the Jutsu's cost into the jutsu', which is the example figures used by Ebisu. (Clone Jutsu uses '30%', which is probably an arbitrary number chosen by Ebisu for the sake of example, Sakura calls up, and applies 30%, Sasuke calls up 40%, applies 30% to jutsu, Naruto calls up 50%, applies only 10% to jutsu.)

This fandom tendency to claim Naruto applies too much is grating. He explicitly has to work to apply enough at all, and this is true across multiple training scenes. This is also consistent with the visuals of eg the very first scene in which Naruto is failing at the Clone exam, where he fills the air with visible Chakra... only to create sickly looking clones. They don't explode or set on fire or otherwise look 'overloaded', they look underfed or something to that tune.

Naruto also applies too little in Summoning, until Jiraiya gets him to pull on the nine-tailed fox's power. Naruto also has difficulties with the 'power' part of the Rasengan. Naruto, in general, has a persistent struggle to get enough power all the way up to timeskip, unless actively channeling the Fox and with the notable exception of Shadow Clones (where we are never specifically told he has such issues, although we also aren't told anything like him overloading that, either)
 
Teach said:
If the amount of Chakra a person has determines their baseline talent/chance for chakra control, how do you explain that Naruto and Sasuke advanced at a rather similar rate in wave?
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Well, the Chakra control exercises taught by Kakashi are meant to be difficult, both of them progress through great strides whenever they are competing with each other.

Their problem in my opinion is an inability to correctly channel the appropriate amounts, they have issues judging how much chakra should be applies to a jutsu.

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If the amount of chakra you have affects your control, does this then mean that Sasuke has more Chakra than Naruto, since Naruto's control increased faster?
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This would be false, for all it seems, the chakra amounts might cause issues on the channeling end, but by applying oneself to learning the correct exercises the difficulties on judging how much must be mixed and what quantity employed lessen.

It also comes to one's personal talents on the area as a multitude of other factors, Sasuke was a pretty good student on both books and practice (I can't remember his placement) Naruto learns better and faster when doing things as opposed to simply studying them via theory.

Teach said:
Yet during the attack she summoned a Boss level entity, spread it across her entire village and used that to transmit healing chakra to everyone. Even with the preparations she made, no matter how efficient her chakra use...she still needs to put out enough chakra to summon and to provide the energy to heal an army.
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You answered your own question: Chakra control. Tsunade is probably able to precisely measure up to the smallest drop how much chakra she needs to channel to the point where the "waste" is zero.

On the other hand, Sunade is a Senju, direct descendant of the Sage of the Six Paths and has a strong vitality (ridiculously strong vitality considering she gets chopped in half and lives to tell the tale)

Teach said:
Claiming that Naruto's problems are based on the amount of chakra he has is a quick and convenient way to make him seem "better" simply because he is not to blame for his control issues.
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Except this is partially true. Naruto has problem with the amounts of chakra he channels to apply any jutsu and had them probably until... he started working with Kurama.

It's not that Naruto is "better" or "worse". But it is true fanon has a way of sneaking upon you.
 
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July 26 - August 6, 2011
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    • A New World, Book 3

    By: Iced Fairy
    The third Lunar War has begun. Plans sent into motion centuries ago are about to reach their conclusion. And the fate of the world, and of two young women, will soon be decided.
    Rated: Fiction T - English - Chapters: 11 - Words: 59,549 - Reviews: 46 - Favs: 49 - Follows: 13 - Updated: Oct 22, 2011 - Published: Jul 26, 2011 - Status: Complete - id: 7222819
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    Impressions before reading:
    In which fighting happens, many youkai die, and a Thanatos Gambit centuries in the making is completed.

    Impressions before reading:
    Ah, now that's the stuff. If you like fight scenes, as I do, then A New World, Book 3 delivers. The fights do well showcasing a wide variety of powers interacting in interesting ways, and characters getting creatively tactical with them. Brute force, with one exception, is a secondary consideration. More, I like how the Lunarians are consistently caught off guard or blindsided by the Gensokyo characters, through a combination of their own arrogance and some genuine surprise-springing on their opponents' part.

    Also, Yukari's plan is pretty spectacular: get herself killed, count on the Lunarians not believing that and her soul reincarnating, and use that to instigate a war that'll kill a specific god that would make it so that youkai aren't dependent on human belief anymore. Though... how much of that is actually Yukari's plan and how much is Maribel's crazed bullshitting is an open question.

    If there's a problem with this fic, it's that many of its plot threads aren't really resolved. As examples, Kanako has Suwako release some sort of special snake monster things (I forgot their names, sue me). After that, they're never mentioned again. Likewise, Cirno absorbing lots of conceptual Lunarian magic is called out as a bad thing by Daiyousei, and then never elaborated on, and at the end of the big battle, Eirin is mentioned to have a freaking hole in her chest which apparently gets patched up at some point. There's also the fic skipping over the aftermath, and blithely having the remaining Lunarians taken down by Keine boosting a lot of youkai with her supercharged powers.

    What I'm saying is, this probably should've had another ten or twenty thousand words to it. Still, what we have is pretty good.

    Verdict: Keeping, and I need to go down Iced Fairy's fic list again.

    Another Kind of Wasteland

    By: Josephus Prime
    Fear turned to outright terror as the nearest survivor crept back, eyes wide in horror. The Ranger couldn't blame them-He must have seemed as terrifying as Death itself, his long duster billowing behind him, his red eyes aglow with merciless intent.
    Rated: Fiction T - English - Adventure/Sci-Fi - Chapters: 2 - Words: 7,886 - Reviews: 33 - Favs: 73 - Follows: 71 - Updated: Jul 31, 2011 - Published: Jul 28, 2011 - id: 7228957
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    Impressions before reading:
    The key here is how much story there is before the story peters out. Most likely, though, this'll get kicked for lack of plot.

    Review:
    I... honestly have very little to say about this fic, since there's not much to engage with. A Ranger shows up, is confused, defends some people, and goes off to deal with a Deathclaw. That's it, in terms of actual events. No nearly enough to justify keeping, especially since I seriously doubt this will ever continue.

    Verdict: Still, that's not the fic's fault, so no picture. Still, booting.

    Escalation

    By: Bobmin356
    Ignore the Muggle world at your peril! Albus Dumbledore learns a hard lesson
    Rated: Fiction K+ - English - Humor/Crime - Harry P., Albus D. - Words: 2,792 - Reviews: 350 - Favs: 2,267 - Follows: 505 - Published: Aug 6, 2011 - Status: Complete - id: 7258617
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    Impressions before reading:
    On the one hand, this is probably a Dumbledore-bashing fic. On the other hand, I think I took this a lot less seriously than the author intended.

    Review:
    Yeah, this is a Dumbledore bash fic, with a side order of sudden South African invasion. Now, I can forgive wanton character destruction if it results in laughs, and I'm much less sensitive to Harry Potter fanon than Ranma or Naruto fanon, but... well, it's not actually funny.

    Verdict:
     
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    • Duncan Idaho said:
    Well, the Chakra control exercises taught by Kakashi are meant to be difficult, both of them progress through great strides whenever they are competing with each other.

    Their problem in my opinion is an inability to correctly channel the appropriate amounts, they have issues judging how much chakra should be applies to a jutsu.


    This would be false, for all it seems, the chakra amounts might cause issues on the channeling end, but by applying oneself to learning the correct exercises the difficulties on judging how much must be mixed and what quantity employed lessen.

    It also comes to one's personal talents on the area as a multitude of other factors, Sasuke was a pretty good student on both books and practice (I can't remember his placement) Naruto learns better and faster when doing things as opposed to simply studying them via theory.



    You answered your own question: Chakra control. Tsunade is probably able to precisely measure up to the smallest drop how much chakra she needs to channel to the point where the "waste" is zero.

    On the other hand, Sunade is a Senju, direct descendant of the Sage of the Six Paths and has a strong vitality (ridiculously strong vitality considering she gets chopped in half and lives to tell the tale)


    Except this is partially true. Naruto has problem with the amounts of chakra he channels to apply any jutsu and had them probably until... he started working with Kurama.

    It's not that Naruto is "better" or "worse". But it is true fanon has a way of sneaking upon you.
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    The point still being that "too much chakra = overloading Jutsu due to poor control" is demonstrably false. Refer to the post of @Terrabrand for that. The key-point being that Naruto consistenly applies too little Chakra as opposed to the fanon nonsense of overcharging each jutsu.

    Naruto learns better and faster when doing things as opposed to simply studying them via theory. Which is why, when given a scroll with instructions, he learned the Kagebunshin within a day and, when "learning by doing" he needed a week to get Tree-Walking down. Curiously, I believe that was the last time he was given a scroll with detailed instructions as opposed to a brief verbal instruction and orders to, basically, "figure it out yourself".

    And even if Tsunade's "waste" is zero, she still needs enough energy to do all the things I mentioned. Hence the strong Senju vitality. Combine that vitality with Tsunade's reputation for perfect chakra control. What do you get? A person with a large pool of chakra and yet also a talent for perfect chakra control. That does not seem to combine nicely with the theory of "high reserves = poor control".

    By the time Naruto worked with Kurama he had also, previously, learned how to use Sage Mode. As in, he had to learn how to sit perfectly still. If we agree that his mental state affects his control, learning to meditate to the point of the perfect "stillness" required for Sage Mode is a noteworthy improvement that has nothing at all to do with the presence of Kurama.
     
    Teach said:
    And even if Tsunade's "waste" is zero, she still needs enough energy to do all the things I mentioned. Hence the strong Senju vitality. Combine that vitality with Tsunade's reputation for perfect chakra control. What do you get? A person with a large pool of chakra and yet also a talent for perfect chakra control. That does not seem to combine nicely with the theory of "high reserves = poor control".
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    It works perfectly well with "high reserves = more difficulty with control", though - all it means is that Tsunade worked really damn hard on improving her chakra control, as a primary area of focus. Which I think is pretty safe to assume. Also that she and the other sannin have reputations as geniuses for a reason.

    Your other points are entirely valid, though, and I concede the overall point.
     
    Teach said:
    Naruto learns better and faster when doing things as opposed to simply studying them via theory. Which is why, when given a scroll with instructions, he learned the Kagebunshin within a day and, when "learning by doing" he needed a week to get Tree-Walking down. Curiously, I believe that was the last time he was given a scroll with detailed instructions as opposed to a brief verbal instruction and orders to, basically, "figure it out yourself".
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    I think you got something backwards here . . .
     
    Teach said:
    ...I need to stop using sarcasm, don't I? Or at the very least get a big glowing Neon sign for when I inevitably do use sarcasm in a vain attempt at emphasizing a point.
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    Generally helps to be super blatant and/or use something to replicate tone of voice, which doesn't automatically show up in text, unlike when speaking.
     
    August 12 - August 17, 2011
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    • First Contact

    By: Animus of Masada
    An asari exploration vessel discovers Earth in the 2030's...and the first contact scenario has incredible implications for both species. What does humanity look like through alien eyes? Where do they go from here? /-AU: no Reapers, completely disconnected from the plot of the games, but mostly faithful to the setting. Told from many points of view.
    Rated: Fiction T - English - Sci-Fi - Chapters: 16 - Words: 51,333 - Reviews: 1,321 - Favs: 2,731 - Follows: 2,772 - Updated: Apr 10, 2013 - Published: Aug 12, 2011 - id: 7278544
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    Impressions before reading:
    One of the few non-MLP first contact fics I've read that I've actually liked - though it gets perhaps a little HFY-y.

    Review:
    Yeah, kinda HFY-y, though it's counterbalanced by considerable discussions by both alien and human characters on humanity's weak points. YMMV on whether that actually works, of course.

    In any case, I've loved this fic for a long time, and this reread has been a treat in reminding myself why. Being a bit1​ of a military nerd, seeing discussion on the Citadel side of human ideas and innovations and past deeds in warfare is extremely interesting, with the inevitable inaccuracies easy to mentally handwave as the Citadel speculators not having the full picture - or, in many cases, a decade-long education in the subject. :V Humanity is celebrated without it going overboard, and even aside from all that it's a damn solid first contact story that plays with a lot of the standard tropes in such a story.

    For example, first communication between human and alien is, on the human side, jokes. As in, actually the astronauts actually broadcasted jokes towards the Citadel explorer ship. Much better than the usual boilerplate First Contact packages. First Contact also happens out in space, then physically on Mars, and then continues with the human astronauts being ferried back to Earth on the Citadel explorer.

    The anachronic order of the story sections is also fascinating; I very much appreciate the sprinkling in of future events, which helps break up a story that still follows many of the same beats of others of its type, even if does change up the formula.

    Verdict: A longtime favorite; keeping.

    Cultural Differences

    By: Mini Boss Majoring
    One-shots during ME1 and ME2. With several species on the Normandy, it was rather obvious that differences between them would be mistaken at times. Continuing.
    Rated: Fiction T - English - Humor - Chapters: 19 - Words: 26,701 - Reviews: 146 - Favs: 333 - Follows: 227 - Updated: Sep 19, 2011 - Published: Aug 12, 2011 - id: 7281151
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    Impressions before reading:
    Yes! Culture clash! Wacky misunderstandings! Bring it on!

    Review:
    This is exactly what I was expecting going in - actually, no, that's a lie, because I'd forgotten about the therapeutic racism. Yes, that's a thing, though the specific term is something I totally just made up, and it's the funniest chapter in the fic. I'm not going to elaborate any further to both not spoil the punchline and to maybe get you guys interested enough to read it. Trust me, it's worth it.

    Granted, it runs out of steam shortly after the halfway mark, but that's fine.

    Verdict: Yup, keeping.

    Not As Planned?

    By: Writer Nightpen
    In a calm day in the warp, two transcended entities met. Not much of a romance actually, but i think it fits. Madokami/GEoM. Challenge inside!
    Rated: Fiction T - English - Romance/Humor - Madoka K. - Words: 2,606 - Reviews: 21 - Favs: 53 - Follows: 28 - Published: Aug 17, 2011 - Status: Complete - id: 7297146
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    Impressions before reading:
    Madokami meets the God-Emperor of Man, and... things... happen? Maybe?

    Review:
    Boring boring boring. It's the two recapping their origins to each other, sprinkled with some nice inconsistent tenses.

    Verdict:


    1. Ha!
     
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    • CV12Hornet said:
    Impressions before reading:
    In which fighting happens, many youkai die, and a Thanatos Gambit centuries in the making is completed.

    Impressions before reading:
    Ah, now that's the stuff. If you like fight scenes, as I do, then A New World, Book 3 delivers. The fights do well showcasing a wide variety of powers interacting in interesting ways, and characters getting creatively tactical with them. Brute force, with one exception, is a secondary consideration. More, I like how the Lunarians are consistently caught off guard or blindsided by the Gensokyo characters, through a combination of their own arrogance and some genuine surprise-springing on their opponents' part.

    Also, Yukari's plan is pretty spectacular: get herself killed, count on the Lunarians not believing that and her soul reincarnating, and use that to instigate a war that'll kill a specific god that would make it so that youkai aren't dependent on human belief anymore. Though... how much of that is actually Yukari's plan and how much is Maribel's crazed bullshitting is an open question.

    If there's a problem with this fic, it's that many of its plot threads aren't really resolved. As examples, Kanako has Suwako release some sort of special snake monster things (I forgot their names, sue me). After that, they're never mentioned again. Likewise, Cirno absorbing lots of conceptual Lunarian magic is called out as a bad thing by Daiyousei, and then never elaborated on, and at the end of the big battle, Eirin is mentioned to have a freaking hole in her chest which apparently gets patched up at some point. There's also the fic skipping over the aftermath, and blithely having the remaining Lunarians taken down by Keine boosting a lot of youkai with her supercharged powers.

    What I'm saying is, this probably should've had another ten or twenty thousand words to it. Still, what we have is pretty good.

    Verdict: Keeping, and I need to go down Iced Fairy's fic list again.
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    So for A New World 3 some commentary on it

    So the Worms/snakes Suwako let out were the Mishaguji. The spellcard Scourge God "Mishaguchi-sama" in Hisoutensokou has her summoning them to attack her enemy So letting them lose to rampage and start hunting down Lunarians, they're rather nasty Curse Gods so them getting out is something not taken lightly as they can do a LOT of damage so it's why Suwako keeps them so tightly in check

    But for a bunch of other things about it.
    So with discussion about the story IcedFairy revealed that Nitori might have had an appearance but it was scrapped as it would just have been another battle and Nitori herself wasn't really relevant to the story and there was a concern it'd just start to drag the story down with just chaining together too many fight scenes which wouldn't advance the story so the loose ends might have been left loose because of lack of time (or the loose ends would just take too damn long to tie up that they might have been better to write as separate one shots about especially the Cirno one)


    Gonna dump the rest generally in spoilers
    The entire Yuuka battle pretty much required two or three reads to figure out what exactly happened. I'm not sure if it's clumsily written or I just was reading it too fast but at first I was confused about what happened but then when the realization about what happened it's kinda horrifying.
    That it took what amounted to a SHORT LIVED BLACK HOLE to kill Yuuka. And that might not have killed her! Those seeds dropped might result in Yuuka herself coming back fully or the next generation of Kazami being born which would be even MORE powerful
    And Medicine's response is just so perfect, the poison would have been the usual punishment but she's in a bit of a hurry so just simply kill! Also hey she matured a bit in 300 years!

    One of the other problems is that I'm just not sure if the Lunarians abilities matched up just too good to their target's ability as a counter. Maybe their intel was rather good but the Suika battle felt way too on the nose for her opponent's ability. IIRC it wasn't even an assigned mission as the battle took place in the ruins of a human city while everyone else was in the Gensokyo region implied that the Lunarian was freelancing on this. I'm Super mixed feelings about that battle and it's result. Sure it in part shows the folly of revenge and Tenshi's maturity but it just felt off overall

    The Battle of the Scarlet Devil Mansion had a response that I think many viewers had seen for the reference. Lunarians giving no respect for the classics (Flan didn't even get to do the wineglass toss. But another problem was I really couldn't remember who in the SDM was who when it came to the descendants of the original crew, much less their powers. Koa and Patchy's kid stood out as their battle was very distinct and separate (and was the last one IIRC) and had a bit of an interesting ending.

    Momiji's fate was a bit unexpected but also for Kanako a bit of a history repeating itself (which might have been her master plan)but the goddess being a little more subtle for her actions before her main appearance. The fact her intervention during the fight was so sneaky was intentional as I think she wanted plausible deniability . It also felt like that battle was a bit different than any of the others as if from a samurai move compared to the more Shouhen style fights we see elsewhere.
    The entire rain that hit as part of the final gambit going off kinda left me kinda unsure. While it ensured that there was now a bloodline that combined Moriya, Hakurei and Reiuji shrines together it felt sorta really out of place I guess. Too convenient instead of an intermarriage between one of the Moriya or Hakurei and one of Orin's kids that would be a mirror of how Moriya and Harkurei shrines shared a common bloodline by that point but it's so glossed over that it felt tacked on randomly (although Iced does have a thing for transformation...)

    Still a good series just avoid the Collection of sequel oneshots as they range from incredibly meh or utter garbage. You'll know the trashpile one when you see it (It's apparently was a Gift Story and I'm like 'wot'?)
     
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    Zelinko said:
    One of the other problems is that I'm just not sure if the Lunarians abilities matched up just too good to their target's ability as a counter. Maybe their intel was rather good but the Suika battle felt way too on the nose for her opponent's ability. IIRC it wasn't even an assigned mission as the battle took place in the ruins of a human city while everyone else was in the Gensokyo region implied that the Lunarian was freelancing on this. I'm Super mixed feelings about that battle and it's result. Sure it in part shows the folly of revenge and Tenshi's maturity but it just felt off overall
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    The power of the main antagonist is the ability to - in Eirins words - "the ability to know exactly where people need to be in order to maximize the success of a plan." And yes, Suika's opponent was orchestrated by him. All of the fights were. The saving grace for Gensokyo was that he both didn't ask the right questions to push his plans the furthest, and he didn't trust his power enough and pulled some of his people from places he thought were safe and moved them to the final battleground.
     
    This is a really good thread that I hadn't been paying much attention to, for whatever reason. Really enjoy the fanfiction archeology bits (for lack of a better term), since I came at a lot of the communities backwards, arriving long after most of the trendsetters were updating. Great stuff, Hornet, and good luck balancing it with your job.
     
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