CV12Hornet Cleans Out His Fanfiction Favorites List (Beware of Shit Taste)

Which list should I go through first?

  • Fanfiction.net

    Votes: 24 66.7%
  • FIMfiction.net

    Votes: 8 22.2%
  • Spacebattles

    Votes: 2 5.6%
  • Sufficient Velocity.

    Votes: 2 5.6%

  • Total voters
    36
  • Poll closed .
HFY stories ... crap all of them. For all of Star Wars flaws, and there are a lot of them, the fact that there is no Earth in it helps keep the quality of the fanfiction for it higher. Mostly because that keeps the HFY crowd away.
At least there are a few worthwhile Mass Effect stories out there.
 
Halo fanfics and crossovers have a seriously bad case of HFY in their focus, yeah.

I mostly blame the inability of fanfic authors to properly convey, portray, and reconcile scale, but like, there's probably a decent amount of "OMG wartime government authoritarianism/fascism (but we're not gonna call it that) is so much cooler and efficient than the lame head-in-the-sand Citadel races and weakass System Alliance let's make them the protagonists," which runs at full tilt into a fucking wall at every possible opportunity, for obvious reasons.
 
I like the idea of HFY, but the stories codified under the banner are largely trash.

HFY has to be either a comedy or character piece, where physical conflict is either played for laughs or unimportant. Otherwise it devolves into pure wank.

I still have a HFYish Mass Effect story rattling around in my brain where canon humanity doesn't develop and instead humanity from the Gunbuster universe drops in. I'm currently downloading ME and ME2 to play for research. It will be short. It will be crack.
 
The problem with HFY in Mass Effect fics is that canon ME is already pretty HUMANITY FUCK YEAHHHHH in of itself. What other species goes from fighting a (losing) war with the Turians, to getting two chances at a Spectre within a few decades of contact, to getting a seat on the Council? Humanity gets pushed up at the detriment of the Batarians. Humanity gets pushed up at the detriment of races (Volus, Hanar, Elcor) who have been around for thousands of years.

It just isn't the kind of HFY that these authors like, ie, Humanity gets to do whatever it damn well pleases while the silly xenos sit in awe and stew in their mediocrity.


(mind you, if I ever wrote an ME crossover, it would probably be with a Stellaris playthrough or something for the sheer WTF value more than anything else. And I'd probably use the Space Elves instead of humans)
 
HFY stories can absolutely be great. They just need to focus on PvE, instead of PvP, if you'll pardon me my language. Because all those stories of brave explorers storming new frontiers, braving polar ice and delving deep into the jungles? They are absolutely HFY, and they can be more than awesome.
 
I'd say ME is more Protagonist Fuck Yeah than HFY.

I mean, look at, say, Tali. She goes from Pilgrimage to serious commands to being one of the five Admirals of the Migrant Fleet in, what, three years?

All without ever holding ship command, or any of the positions you'd expect even the most meteoric rise to hold along the way. You see similar arcs for Wrex (Unifies Krogan and turns species in a better direction in 2-3 years after literal millennia of infighting), Garrus (beat cop to de facto commander of the entire Turian military in a similar time frame), Liara (No-name professor to Shadow Broker), and heck, Kaidan/Ash don't do so bad.
 
HFY stories can absolutely be great. They just need to focus on PvE, instead of PvP, if you'll pardon me my language. Because all those stories of brave explorers storming new frontiers, braving polar ice and delving deep into the jungles? They are absolutely HFY, and they can be more than awesome.
HFY, in the form of humans being just plain better than all the aliens and kicking their asses while looking awesome, is fundamentally basically racism trying to be politically correct.

The author's kind is smarter, better, more moral, and more victorious than all others. They deserve to win and do so while everyone else is weak and also evil. Everyone else is stupid and wrong and unable to defy the superior breed that is humans. Diversity bad, homogeny good.

Obviously, I personally dislike such stories. (I'm fine with what you describe here as 'PvE', since it doesn't have those connotations.)

Of course, painting humanity as uniquely bad, stupid, weak, evil, etc, is just as bad, just in different ways.
 
HFY, in the form of humans being just plain better than all the aliens and kicking their asses while looking awesome, is fundamentally basically racism trying to be politically correct.
Funnily enough this is the prime motivation of a villain in the LN Highschool DxD, the fandom calls him Chuuni Chuuni. Because he dresses like one and spouts that kind of nonsense.

On the other hand, depending on the setting HFY is not a bad thing, like, let me bring DxD again, the only humans that really matter at the end of everything is a single exorcist of the church who trained so hard he can cut black holes with his sword.

Everybody else? Devils, Angels, fallen or an amalgamation of pantheons and other stuff such as youkai, etc.
 
The First Guardian
The First Guardian

By: Flameal Ashcrow
What if Kurosaki Ichigo was a lot more curious as a child? What if this led to him having an inquisitive mind? Just how much would this change the course of history? Let's find out, shall we? - Slightly AU. Rated M for sexual content and my dirty mouth.
Rated: Fiction M - English - Romance/Humor - Ichigo K., Rukia K. - Chapters: 12 - Words: 89,555 - Reviews: 650 - Favs: 2,307 - Follows: 2,205 - Updated: Apr 24, 2012 - Published: Oct 16, 2011 - id: 7471458
Impressions before reading:
Why do I get the feeling this is going to be one of those "Shove an OC into an MC-shaped meat suit" fics?

Review:
It is. Worse, it's of the "make the protagonist smarter/more mature", something which never ends well because a lot of fanfiction is written by teenagers and teenagers have very odd ideas of what both "smart" and "mature" mean.

Confession time: I didn't make it past the first chapter. Reading it brought back memories of what went on later, and when the narrative started really pushing about how "mature" Ichigo was, well... let's just say those future events have Ichigo acting decidedly juvenile. Simply put, no buy-in happened. Also, the first instance of character speech felt decidedly wooden. Add on Ichigo starting to learn Shinigami abilities early on... *shudders* I've seen enough of this kind of shit in Naruto fanfiction, thank you very much. Then there's the fact that those memories were of the repetitive "Ichigo does something crazy, Rukia reacts, explanation" pattern.

Oh, and also lots of run-on sentences. That didn't help.

Verdict:
 
That last 'question' in the summary is the real warning sign. It is definitely a statement of fact, not a question, and the misuse of punctuation is likely a harbinger of things to come.
 
In my experience, is a summary contains "What if ...", especially several times the story tend to suck.
Yeah.

I have a Tiki Rule of Thumb for Fanfiction Quality, where the quality if a fanfic is usually inversely related to the number of question marks in the synopsis.

Usually because every question is another Unicorn in the Garden, so to speak. Aka, a major change the author is making

One unicorn is amazing and magical and can add some nice accents to your mystical fanfic garden, but an entire herd of them is usually just silly and tacky once it gets big enough.
 
Last edited:
That last 'question' in the summary is the real warning sign. It is definitely a statement of fact, not a question, and the misuse of punctuation is likely a harbinger of things to come.
I see a lot of particularly bad fixfics do a series of questions for the summary like that. Generally, before the summary is up, you get really loaded/leading questions.

Protip: 'what if (innocous question)? How much better would everyone's lives be?' shows an extremely blatant agenda.
 
I'll use question marks in my summaries, but I'm generally sticking to actual questions as opposed to the above 'not really a question' sort of things. Mind you, I'm just bad at summaries too :V

(With Bleach fics, a lot of people tend to write Ichigo as not really Ichigo because they don't like something or other that he did. Protip, it's not actually hard to write Ichigo as a bit smarter if you really try, since he is actually smart. Just really, really hardheaded and stubborn. Since he does have intelligence nearly at the level of Uryuu (who, incidentally, is also really dumb at times) it's entirely possible to keep him in character.

But anyone who sells their story as 'LOOK THE CHARACTER IS SMARTER AND MORE MATURE' is probably not doing it right.

...this does make me wonder (not worry, wonder) about my fics. I know Hornet has one. Not saying which one, though, because SPOILERS)
 
With Bleach fics, a lot of people tend to write Ichigo as not really Ichigo because they don't like something or other that he did.
And they don't even have the decency to blame it on the Shattered Shaft! Seriously, we have an incident in canon where he explicitly starts turning into a literal soul eating monster, the number of divergences you can have there to warp his personality are massive. He also explicitly has more-than-rudimentary skill in hand to hand combat, and you can trivially handwave that into including skill in hand-to-sword combat because Kendo classes are a thing in Karakura Town, so you can just say that one of the punks he routinely beats down attempts to beat him into the ground by use of bamboo stick sword-proxy. Sure, Kendo sticks aren't able to cut, but that's what giving him Herrio or Blut is for!

Like, he has this vast toolbox of potential bullshit, all hinging on nothing more than a variation of how the powers he has in canon are expressed. His sword was still broken when he climbed out of the Shattered Shaft, why not use that to give him an ice-based Zanpakuto with the explanation that White/Zangetsu kept aspects from Sode no Shirayuki, with the sword staying broken as a side effect? Or have an "Arrancar" Ichigo actually be a rather unfortunate case of practically-permanent slightly-past-Vizored Hollowfication (paler skin and Arrancar-like mask fragment and reiatsu signature, but no hole in the chest or freaky eyes) because Hollow!Zangetsu decided to make a grab to get Quincy!Zangetsu out of interference, so for Ichigo to actually be relevant he needs to appear to be an Arrancar.

Alternatively, he could activate Blut while fighting Grand Fisher, as Grand Fisher pretty obviously has to have some kind of evasive ability... Like replicating the Reiatsu of individuals he's consumed. Like, there's this long list of incidents you can use to excuse his abilities being different, thus derailing things. For example, using Garganta for "invisible" movement could lead to Arrancar!Ichigo killing the Gillians Aizen used to escape, meaning that Aizen now has to force his way out of Soul Society through "normal" escape methods. With every non-traitor Captain opposing him, and at least one wildly-beyond-standard-Captain Arrancar after his head (namely, Ichigo, because an Arrancar version would obviously have considerably more raw power than the canon version at that point. That's just how it works).

Aizen could further get utterly fucked by being cocky against something he really shouldn't have been, like facing the terrible reality that high-level Quincies give zero shits about how much Reiatsu you have (on account of them basically using particle beams that directly feed on spiritual matter they make contact with), or getting gutted by a murderous Orihime's flat-out reality warping. Perhaps a version of Ichigo that takes after White, specifically, complete with soul-warping venom, causing Aizen to come down with an unfortunate case of horrific soul-shattering turbo-cancer by trying to block a bite.

...A major complaint about Bleach canon is that the power scaling makes absolutely no sense, as it's established that a below-Vasto-Lorde non-Arrancar hollow is entirely able to down a Captain in Shikai (White vs. Isshin), and yet Toshiro, who is explicitly not supposed to be properly Captain-class, managed to take down a Vasto Lorde Arrancar enhanced by Hogyoku. Single-handedly. Similarly, Ichigo comes within a hairsbreadth of handing Byakuya his ass before getting the Hollowfication under control, and yet ends up struggling against baseline Ulquiorra, who is canonically a natural Arrancar of the "mask chunk happened to break" variety, while Nniortra, the highest-ranking Adjunchas who also got the partial-Hogyoku enhancement, could tank the best Kenpachi could put out one-handed.

As a reminder, Tier Harribel, by all the standards in canon, should have a significantly more powerful baseline than Ulquiorra does, being an artificial Arrancar Vasto Lorde that's a higher-ranked Espada. And yet Toshiro, who's supposed to be weaker than Byakuya, who is in turn substantially weaker than Vizored!Ichigo, managed to keep up with someone explicitly more powerful than a character Vizored!Ichigo was merely a peer to. And Ulquiorra's power is explicitly largely regenerative, not preventative, so Tier should have a better power to durability baseline on top of more power.

The explicitly-canonical chains of power has multiple comparison points that fundamentally don't work, causing major paradoxes of relative power levels. This is why any rework of Bleach would need a huge re-focusing on shenanigans instead of power, with the scale differences within categories being far lower to even out the power curve and enable a more-consistent relative power threshold, while also permitting different "grades" to meaningfully compete against eachother.
 
Yeah.

I have a Tiki Rule of Thumb for Fanfiction Quality, where the quality if a fanfic is usually inversely related to the number of question marks in the synopsis.

Usually because every question is another Unicorn in the Garden, so to speak. Aka, a major change the author is making

One unicorn is amazing and magical and can add some nice accents to your mystical fanfic garden, but an entire herd of them is usually just silly and tacky once it gets big enough.
Agreed, though there is an exception to this rule. If the questions begin with the word "why", it's possible that it gets a pass. Especially if it's comedy.
 
Game Theory
Game Theory

By: Immatrael
Who dares stand between a mother and her daughter's life? Precia will do anything to achieve her goals. Even if it means accepting Fate. First of the Gamesverse series.
Rated: Fiction T - English - Adventure - Nanoha T., Fate T. - Chapters: 16 - Words: 265,002 - Reviews: 284 - Favs: 686 - Follows: 391 - Updated: Dec 31, 2012 - Published: Oct 22, 2011 - Status: Complete - id: 7485060
Impressions before reading:
What is Game Theory? It's a sprawling Lyrical Nanoha AU that not just takes things off the rails, doesn't just dynamite the rails. It dynamites the rails, tears up the rails, melts them down for scrap, and then brings in StrikerS-era elements to nuke the rails from orbit, just to be sure. It has a basic premise completely unlike anything I've ever seen in this fandom, and takes it in wildly original directions. Yes, original. In a fanfic. I have a very high opinion of this fic.

Let's see how well that holds up.

Review:
Very well, as it turns out. Game Theory is a very fun ride, and mostly for three reasons.

First, and probably the most important, is that Aleph (her SV/SB handle) really knows how to write a character's voice properly. Not only is everyone distinct in their dialogue and their POV, but also feels appropriate to their personality and ages. Nanoha reads exactly like she should: a very earnest and mature nine-year-old. Vesta... is a cat. And I know that's a pretty obvious statement if you read any of the fic, but every line of dialogue and every scene from her POV emphasizes her inherent "cat-ness". It's really quite impressive. And while Nanoha and Vesta stand out in this regard, it's a consistently a strength of the other characters: Chrono's gruff, try-hard professionalism; Yuuno being in completely over his head; Fate being kinder and softer and yet also still nine compared to Nanoha.

And then there's Precia. Precia Testarossa is easily one of the most reviled characters in the entire Lyrical Nanoha franchise, and considering she's competing with Quattro, Jail Scaglietti, and the entire Huckebein for that title that's quite an accomplishment. Aleph's version of Precia is largely the same, except for a little detail: she's just sane enough to realize that while Fate isn't Alicia, she is her only mobile asset available and that physically abusing her is not a good idea. Don't get me wrong, Precia is still a manipulative, abusive bitch, but it's a much milder and more understandable version of her. The Fate is visibly less of an emotional basket case helps a lot in this regard. It's to the point that by the midpoint of the story you're actively rooting for her.

Second, there's the fact that Game Theory is a post-Madoka Magica magical girl story and it shows. Madoka Magica (which I'll cover in more detail later on) has an impact on its genre that is difficult to understate; it divides the magical girl genre almost as starkly as Crisis on Infinite Earths did the DCU, and just about every magical girl story I've seen or heard of since borrows something from that show. Most often, it's the much higher grit factor. Madoka Magica is not nearly the first magical girl show to get really dark: Sailor Moon killed off its entire cast and resurrected them seemingly every season. But where the darkness of, say, Sailor Moon was there to get blasted with pretty sparkles, in Madoka Magica it's both more integral to the setting and much harder to combat.

Game Theory, thankfully, goes deeper than that. There is a higher grit factor, of course. Things go wrong, and Nanoha very much operates on more classic magical girl tropes, to a decidedly mixed bag1​. There's the Jewel Seed monsters, which play a much different and much more Madoka-esque narrative role here than in canon. In canon Lyrical Nanoha, the monsters were a backdrop to the larger plot going on. In Game Theory, and Madoka Magica, that's still somewhat of a thing but now the monsters are once again scary and threatening in their own right. Neither is a more correct approach, naturally, but it makes for an excellent contrast in a fanfic. Hell, there's even moral ambiguity, and the good kind of moral ambiguity, where both sides of the conflict have points in their favor and are at odds for entirely understandable reasons. Kinda like the recent Doom game2​.

And finally, even disregarding all that thematic and genre stuff I just outlined, Game Theory is a damn solid divergence fic in its own right, with some interesting worldbuilding added, though the latter doesn't really take prominence until the sequel Power Games. Precia's changes set all sorts of butterflies in motion, drastically altering Nanoha and Fate's early interactions until Fate tells of her and her mother's goals and gets Nanoha on her side. Aided along by Chrono making the mistake of attacking Nanoha in her home for entirely understandable reasons3​, and Nanoha not buying he's a space wizard cop for equally understandable reasons4​. And at that point, Nanoha, being the stubborn girl she is, is not giving up, and neither is anyone else in this conflict, because they all think they're right and aren't entirely wrong. It all proceeds very nicely from the divergence point. Also, Vesta. She's a treat.

As for worldbuilding... well, I'll get to that when I get to Power Games. That's where it becomes important, though it might be a while...

Verdict: Hell yes I'm keeping this. I haven't hit 1000 words with a single fic review in... forever? Maybe?

  1. Incidentally, that it's a mixed bag instead of flat-out not working is very much a point in the story's favor.
  2. Yes. Moral ambiguity. In a Doom game. Not with the demons, thank fuck, which is 75% of the reason it works there.
  3. Nine-year-old AA-rank mages with intelligent devices and actual magical skill are not supposed to be a thing on low-magic backwaters like Earth.
  4. Black outfit with shoulder spikes + being 14 = Nanoha not at all buying he's a cop.
 
I've heard recommendations of game theory before. I think I started on it at some point, but I must've dropped it pretty quickly. Damned if I know why though.
Yes. Moral ambiguity. In a Doom game. Not with the demons, thank fuck, which is 75% of the reason it works there.
I disagree. Samuel Hayden and the UAC have a justification for tapping hell energy, but the sheer lack of a shit given about the casualty rate among workers even before things went bad shows that it was never about helping people. I mean, that's basically the games one joke. Samuel Hayden makes some statement about the greater good, and Doom Guy looks at all the corpses.
 
Back
Top