Covered In Blood And Surrounded By Spirits (Hellsing CK2 Organization Quest)

[X]Deny

Seriously them telling us not to get involved just makes us want to get involved more! Stupit gaijin
 
I love how near unanimous the thread is, and especially how our responses to Schrödinger start at "Fuck No" and only grow more violent.

That'll teach the bastard not to hurt our Waifu and threaten our family.
 
Devil's advocate: You do all realize that he's almost certainly going to carry through on his threat, right? Somebody important to Kockika is pretty much guaranteed to get hurt at this point.

Our best case scenarios are A) he can't actually follow through on his threats, for whatever reason, or B) he target's something that he can't actually do anything to, for whatever reason.

(Hey, do you think Aimi could crawl her way back out of hell?)

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Devil's advocate: You do all realize that he's almost certainly going to carry through on his threat, right? Somebody important to Kockika is pretty much guaranteed to get hurt at this point.

And if we agree, then... nothing changes? Or are you going to take Millenium at their word? It's not like trusting Nazis has ever turned out poorly. :rolleyes:
 
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And if we agree, then... nothing changes? Or are you going to take Millenium at their word? It's not like trusting Nazis has ever turned out poorly. :rolleyes:
It sounds like Schrodinger is hear without orders. That means that, however assholish the Nazi's are, they're strategic level thinker's are basically done with Japan. Besides, this isn't the same as the national bombings. This is a personal threat. Even Nagare's shrine was (probably) attacked because of her strategic value, rather than here personal connection.

This is a promise of personal pain. Mummy and Daddy? Burned to death in their house. Sis and Bro? Throats opened to the spine. Our precious baby? Smothered in the crib. That is the threat that Schrodinger is making, a personal tragedy that will follow us long after this battle is over.

Or maybe I'm overthinking this. Devil's Advocate and all that.

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It sounds like Schrodinger is hear without orders. That means that, however assholish the Nazi's are, they're strategic level thinker's are basically done with Japan. Besides, this isn't the same as the national bombings. This is a personal threat. Even Nagare's shrine was (probably) attacked because of her strategic value, rather than here personal connection.

This is a promise of personal pain. Mummy and Daddy? Burned to death in their house. Sis and Bro? Throats opened to the spine. Our precious baby? Smothered in the crib. That is the threat that Schrodinger is making, a personal tragedy that will follow us long after this battle is over.

Or maybe I'm overthinking this. Devil's Advocate and all that.

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I don't trust Nazis. I certainly don't trust Schrodinger. We have no way to know if he will keep his word and frankly, I think we'll be better served by telling him to fuck off and sending everyone back home into high alert. Well, Higher alert. If he can indeed attack our family and our organization out of nowhere without orders just like that, he wouldn't try to make deals, he'd kidnap someone or start doing damage first, then use that as leverage to blackmail us.
Instead, he tries to make a deal with us. I'm not sure if that implies he's got more limitations than we know of, if the Major doesn't want him to be too active and vulnerable before he can use Schrodinger to kill Alucard or if he just has some twisted sense of good manners, but I know any deal we make with him is going to bite us in the ass, and considering there's a chance that Hellsing can discover our betrayal, I certainly don't want to risk it.

On a more moral standpoint, if we did accept his deal we'd be collaborating with the son of a bitch who caused our wife to suffer immense amounts of pain, betraying our best friend and allowing him and Millennium to continue with their plans of massacring London. I can't accept doing that and I don't think it's in character for Kochika to do so either.
 
It sounds like Schrodinger is hear without orders. That means that, however assholish the Nazi's are, they're strategic level thinker's are basically done with Japan. Besides, this isn't the same as the national bombings. This is a personal threat. Even Nagare's shrine was (probably) attacked because of her strategic value, rather than here personal connection.

This is a promise of personal pain. Mummy and Daddy? Burned to death in their house. Sis and Bro? Throats opened to the spine. Our precious baby? Smothered in the crib. That is the threat that Schrodinger is making, a personal tragedy that will follow us long after this battle is over.

Or maybe I'm overthinking this. Devil's Advocate and all that.

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Well, Aimi seems to be heavily blessed by Amaterasu, soooo...
 
[X] Deny him.

He's worried about the Fae enough to come here and threaten us. That probably means he hasn't got much time left to do stuff. Lying to him probably wouldn't work, as his be everywhere ability would probably just let him watch us to ensure we actually make the call. I'm hoping that by throwing every possible defense against the wall, we can hold him off until the Fae binding is complete, and he's weak enough that he cannot carry out his threats.
 
Has anyone tried just making him suffer? Killing him obviously doesn't work since he just respawns, but what if we just incapacitate him instead? Not, like, knock him out or anything since loss of consciousness might trigger it.

What I'm saying is, maybe we need to try creative means of nailing him down. Metaphorically...and literally, if necessary.
Dude showed up in Seras's subconscious so he could give Zorin shit. I doubt any mundane restraints are gonna do the trick.
 
Dude showed up in Seras's subconscious so he could give Zorin shit. I doubt any mundane restraints are gonna do the trick.
He's capable of going anywhere he can observe himself. Even metaphorical places apparently. And death or pain doesn't even slow him down. The only thing that stopped him in canon was a deliberate suicide to pass his powers on to Alucard.
 
Huh. I just realized: It's not just the Fae who've rustled catboi's jimmies.

It's 'Tomi assisting with a contract with the Fae' that's got him riled up.
 
I don't trust Nazis. I certainly don't trust Schrodinger. We have no way to know if he will keep his word and frankly, I think we'll be better served by telling him to fuck off and sending everyone back home into high alert. Well, Higher alert. If he can indeed attack our family and our organization out of nowhere without orders just like that, he wouldn't try to make deals, he'd kidnap someone or start doing damage first, then use that as leverage to blackmail us.
Instead, he tries to make a deal with us. I'm not sure if that implies he's got more limitations than we know of, if the Major doesn't want him to be too active and vulnerable before he can use Schrodinger to kill Alucard or if he just has some twisted sense of good manners, but I know any deal we make with him is going to bite us in the ass, and considering there's a chance that Hellsing can discover our betrayal, I certainly don't want to risk it.

On a more moral standpoint, if we did accept his deal we'd be collaborating with the son of a bitch who caused our wife to suffer immense amounts of pain, betraying our best friend and allowing him and Millennium to continue with their plans of massacring London. I can't accept doing that and I don't think it's in character for Kochika to do so either.
On the other hand, if we say no conceivably he could say "okay, kid gloves off" and firebomb the entire organization, including Kochika. That's kind of the problem when you're trying to punch way above your strength, you need to not attract attention while doing so.
 
Devil's advocate: You do all realize that he's almost certainly going to carry through on his threat, right? Somebody important to Kockika is pretty much guaranteed to get hurt at this point.

Our best case scenarios are A) he can't actually follow through on his threats, for whatever reason, or B) he target's something that he can't actually do anything to, for whatever reason.

(Hey, do you think Aimi could crawl her way back out of hell?)

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Theres basically no reason to believe he's dealing in good faith.

Hell its not even a deal, just a threat.
Huh. I just realized: It's not just the Fae who've rustled catboi's jimmies.

It's 'Tomi assisting with a contract with the Fae' that's got him riled up.
Fox meets the Fae...well, Tricksters teaming up should scare everyone.

Just short a spider, coyote and a monkey.
On the other hand, if we say no conceivably he could say "okay, kid gloves off" and firebomb the entire organization, including Kochika. That's kind of the problem when you're trying to punch way above your strength, you need to not attract attention while doing so.

We have actually fortified up with the full spectrum of wards.

They only hit soft targets for a reason(shrine wasn't upgraded)
 
More that we ARE going to be enemies amyway, I'd prefer that he attack now and we remove him from play with the thing he's so concerned about, than back out and leave the threat and damage hanging
 
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