Aye. Hopefully since we've managed to calm down the military a little they can be trusted to keep fuck fuck games to a bad but not overwhelmingly terrible level when it comes to paramilitaries.
[Continuation] Schwarz-Rot-Gold: An Interwar Germany Quest
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Chargone
Invisable operator
- Location
- New Zealand
[X] Build two cruisers
At least as useful as the battleship for costal defence, and much more so for protectng any tade. Also far less likely to piss off the British (well, that's what I'd expect, anyway). And the politics of the situation are such that the British will generally prefer to ally with Germany over France as all else is equal (though they'll generally ally with whoever is maintaining the status quo over whoever is trying to upset the balance of power in most conflicts, with the goal of ensuring no one ever becomes powerful enough to actually threaten them... But there are limitsbto That too).
At least as useful as the battleship for costal defence, and much more so for protectng any tade. Also far less likely to piss off the British (well, that's what I'd expect, anyway). And the politics of the situation are such that the British will generally prefer to ally with Germany over France as all else is equal (though they'll generally ally with whoever is maintaining the status quo over whoever is trying to upset the balance of power in most conflicts, with the goal of ensuring no one ever becomes powerful enough to actually threaten them... But there are limitsbto That too).
[X] Build a coastal battleship
I'm convinced of the propaganda value, and keeping the institutional knowledge alive for the time being. It's there to look pretty.
I'm convinced of the propaganda value, and keeping the institutional knowledge alive for the time being. It's there to look pretty.
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Can we build an aircraft carrier?
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Unlikely and even if we could we probably don't have the resources to do so
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why would we need an aircraft carrier? It would be useless in the baltic and get wrecked if put against the two enemies such a thing might come in handy (USA or UK). With cruisers or coastal battleships you can at least shell danzig
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Cruisers are more versatile, in this case longer-ranged, and the only people we'd need battleships against right now is the Soviets, and fighting their fleet with a lone glorified monitor of our own is a losing prospect. On the other hand, cruisers are capable of protecting trade, policing, and more.
[X] Build two cruisers
[X] Build two cruisers
- Location
- New York
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- He/Him
[X] Build two cruisers
[X] Build a coastal battleship
Charles Dewitt
A Paladin With No Self Confidence
- Location
- Middle of Nowhere Appalachia
[X] Build a coastal battleship
As a member of the battleship mafia I was obligated to vote for this right out the gate.
But there area a number of practicalities to consider. For one, those pointing out that battleships are not the future are correct. The carrier will indeed obsolete the battleship, about 15 years from now. At the moment, there are exactly 2 aircraft carriers in the entire world. HMS Argus, and HMS Furious. (The latter of whom was placed under refit to have her central tower and superstructure removed and replaced with an entirely flattop flight deck last month) USS Langley and Hōshō are currently under construction. The only carrier aircraft in British service I've yet to find (At least the only one not listed as "Spotter/Reconnaissance" if there's a bomber I missed that's active in 1921 please let me know) is the Gloster Nightjar. A fighter whose armaments consist of 2 fixed forward firing .303 Vickers machine guns. Carriers are in their infancy and any war fought on the sea for the near future will be fought and won by battleships.
And that's putting aside that the only enemies we're likely to fight at the moment are Poland and maybe the Soviets. Both of whom are in the Baltic, a sea which has never been especially kind to carriers of any sort. Since just about every part of it is within range of land bases and thus can be swarmed by enormous amounts of land-based planes.
I also find the idea of Trade Protection laughable. From what bases? The Empire is lost, and all the German overseas bases with it. Germany can't reach anywhere that isn't it's backyard. The only powers that could threaten our trade and wouldn't also completely roll over us are Poland and maybe Sweden. Neither of whom would be overly impressed with 2 cruisers alone.
Not to mention any early 1920s cruisers are also likely to be obsolete by the time carriers are in ascendancy as well.
That having been said I was under the impression the British wanted a semi-strong German Navy in the Baltic to act as a counterweight to the Soviet Navy? How harsh are the naval restrictions anyway?
As a member of the battleship mafia I was obligated to vote for this right out the gate.
But there area a number of practicalities to consider. For one, those pointing out that battleships are not the future are correct. The carrier will indeed obsolete the battleship, about 15 years from now. At the moment, there are exactly 2 aircraft carriers in the entire world. HMS Argus, and HMS Furious. (The latter of whom was placed under refit to have her central tower and superstructure removed and replaced with an entirely flattop flight deck last month) USS Langley and Hōshō are currently under construction. The only carrier aircraft in British service I've yet to find (At least the only one not listed as "Spotter/Reconnaissance" if there's a bomber I missed that's active in 1921 please let me know) is the Gloster Nightjar. A fighter whose armaments consist of 2 fixed forward firing .303 Vickers machine guns. Carriers are in their infancy and any war fought on the sea for the near future will be fought and won by battleships.
And that's putting aside that the only enemies we're likely to fight at the moment are Poland and maybe the Soviets. Both of whom are in the Baltic, a sea which has never been especially kind to carriers of any sort. Since just about every part of it is within range of land bases and thus can be swarmed by enormous amounts of land-based planes.
I also find the idea of Trade Protection laughable. From what bases? The Empire is lost, and all the German overseas bases with it. Germany can't reach anywhere that isn't it's backyard. The only powers that could threaten our trade and wouldn't also completely roll over us are Poland and maybe Sweden. Neither of whom would be overly impressed with 2 cruisers alone.
Not to mention any early 1920s cruisers are also likely to be obsolete by the time carriers are in ascendancy as well.
That having been said I was under the impression the British wanted a semi-strong German Navy in the Baltic to act as a counterweight to the Soviet Navy? How harsh are the naval restrictions anyway?
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- Location
- Minnesota
[X] Build a coastal battleship
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I'd imagine France being the dicks they are trying to have the restrictions be as high as possible
Chaos Blade
Procrastinating Writer
- Location
- Buenos Aires, Argentina
[X] Build two cruisers
Coastal BBs are a waste of metal and labor, they simply don't work and if you need to deploy it, it is toast. and cruisers are good enough for land support.
Coastal BBs are a waste of metal and labor, they simply don't work and if you need to deploy it, it is toast. and cruisers are good enough for land support.
[X]Build a coastal battleship: The battleship will be based on existing designs and I'll work on it in the background. Exact specs are a help, because rivet counting on naval stuff is not my forte.
Convinced that this may be better in the long-term.
Convinced that this may be better in the long-term.
Charles Dewitt
A Paladin With No Self Confidence
- Location
- Middle of Nowhere Appalachia
Worked plenty well for Sweden. Their Coastal Battleships are one of the main reasons the Nazis didn't invade them.
[X]Build two cruisers: Two cruisers for every battleship are needed to keep the yards active for Krupp, but the price at this point is effectively identical. These will be based on German armoured cruiser designs of the late war, updated to take account of lessons learned from Jutland by the Naval Staff.
Much more interested in advancing German naval innovation and doctrine than trying to adhere to what didn't work as well as expected at Jutland and what will not work in 20 years by building cut-down ships obsolete from the get-go. Or less, given the possible threats we're facing have easy access to land-based naval aviation and/or are capable of building heavy coastal fortifications.
Also much more interested in having 2 ships rather than 1. They can cover 2 places at once, and if one gets sunk we still have a ship. We're fulfilling the promise to Krupp in this manner, would rather save building a battleship for electioneering purposes.
Much more interested in advancing German naval innovation and doctrine than trying to adhere to what didn't work as well as expected at Jutland and what will not work in 20 years by building cut-down ships obsolete from the get-go. Or less, given the possible threats we're facing have easy access to land-based naval aviation and/or are capable of building heavy coastal fortifications.
Also much more interested in having 2 ships rather than 1. They can cover 2 places at once, and if one gets sunk we still have a ship. We're fulfilling the promise to Krupp in this manner, would rather save building a battleship for electioneering purposes.
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ThatGuyWithIdeas
Treize died for our sins
- Location
- Romania
[X]Build a coastal battleship: The battleship will be based on existing designs and I'll work on it in the background. Exact specs are a help, because rivet counting on naval stuff is not my forte.