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Congregation of Despair (Mafia - Second Attempt)

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1KBestK said:
Nah, I am Ardyis, High Priestess of Vangerlai, and my power is to Bless players at night, shielding them. I am our doctor equivalent.
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Cyricubed said:
@Yun has been [Pierced by Holy Magics], they were Relgar, King of Xalistra
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Gotta say, doesn't really read like a Doctor action here and the Vig probably should have been killing people last night.

(Had this saved, just been waiting on who they claim to have healed)

So... I don't believe it personally. Not to mention that there's also a Watcher and a Redirector-protective.
 
Nictis said:
Gotta say, doesn't really read like a Doctor action here and the Vig probably should have been killing people last night.

(Had this saved, just been waiting on who they claim to have healed)

So... I don't believe it personally. Not to mention that there's also a Watcher and a Redirector-protective.
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Well, I actually do believe it, which feels weird.

Cause my current theory is that @Oshha is Serial Killer Transporter and transported himself with people to claim to have lightning rodded them.

So I roleblocked them last night, feeling like I was being too paranoid... But we have no teal kill.

It is possible Broken Base was teal, but I was town reading her and scum reading Oshha, so I went with my gut.

That said...

[x] Lynch Oshha
 
Terrabrand said:
Well, I actually do believe it, which feels weird.

Cause my current theory is that @Oshha is Serial Killer Transporter and transported himself with people to claim to have lightning rodded them.

So I roleblocked them last night, feeling like I was being too paranoid... But we have no teal kill.

It is possible Broken Base was teal, but I was town reading her and scum reading Oshha, so I went with my gut.

That said...

[x] Lynch Oshha
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Hm.

Nictis said:
Gotta say, doesn't really read like a Doctor action here and the Vig probably should have been killing people last night.

(Had this saved, just been waiting on who they claim to have healed)

So... I don't believe it personally. Not to mention that there's also a Watcher and a Redirector-protective.
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That wasn't me. I literally have a gripe in my role pm about not learning any offensive magic.
 
I should go over my logic more thoroughly.

I didn't want to block QT because I still was townreading them and tracker has decent potential to catch a killer. Nani even more so for the same since watcher can't just mis someone.

I didn't want to block Nictis because the only way I can see him as Teal Serial Killer claiming vanilla while pushing the idea I can catch the SK by blocking them is if he is roleblock immune. So he's either roleblock immune or not the SK and either way blocking him doesn't catch anyone and... Well, I'm not really feeling cult leader?

That left Dovah, who I already blocked and so, again, is either roleblock immune or not the SK and I wasn't reading them as cult leader.

Ditto 1K, except I was pretty sure they were the vig to boot. And I didn't want to stop the possibility of a town directed kill.

So. Well, that left blocking Oshha or... Doing nothing, or doing something that felt counterproductive one way or another.
 
Terrabrand said:
Cause my current theory is that @Oshha is Serial Killer Transporter and transported himself with people to claim to have lightning rodded them.
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QT would have tracked them as having visited both me and Oshha instead of just me then, and Nani would have seen them visit themselves N2 as well.

Unless if they're Cult and were transporting and culting people, but that's a bit beyond belief and honestly doesn't seem to make sense with the lack of a knife in someone's chest.

So, QT 1K has been suspected of being Cult for reasons I don't care to dig up since Day 2, has fluff that matches the Vigilante Kill, is claiming to be a Doctor that would seemingly only work against the Cult kill and not either the Vigilante or the Serial Killer kill while also overlapping with Oshha's claim, and the Vigilante hasn't been killing people since Night One in the middle of a Cult Game.
 
Nictis said:
QT would have tracked them as having visited both me and Oshha instead of just me then, and Nani would have seen them visit themselves N2 as well.

Unless if they're Cult and were transporting and culting people, but that's a bit beyond belief and honestly doesn't seem to make sense with the lack of a knife in someone's chest.

So, QT 1K has been suspected of being Cult for reasons I don't care to dig up since Day 2, has fluff that matches the Vigilante Kill, is claiming to be a Doctor that would seemingly only work against the Cult kill and not either the Vigilante or the Serial Killer kill while also overlapping with Oshha's claim, and the Vigilante hasn't been killing people since Night One in the middle of a Cult Game.
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Hmmm. You make a more compelling argument than I am happy with. I've been trying to hide my belief that 1k was the vig in case cult haven't noticed.

Relying on my gut might be getting me confirmation biased.
 
Okay yeah.

[x] Lynch 1KBestK

I am still getting way too caught up on the SK.

Even if I am right that Ossha is the SK, they can wait. And, in retrospect, I was townreading 1k because I was sure they were the vig.

Even if I was right, yesterday made it pretty obvious they were the vig candidate and cult may have taken the opportunity to cult them.

We have, I hope, at most 3 cult. There's only seven players alive, so if there was four cult they'd probably have already won, unless SK is like cult immune and prevents them from winning?

We have 0-1 SK, depending on whether BB was SK or not.

That gives us possibly as little as 3 town, but hopefully 4-5.
Geh.

This is mylo, if not lylo, isn't it?

[x] null

In case we're wrong, I don't want to let scum mass vote and hammef til we have had more time to talk this out.
 
I am confirm, I was roleblocked. I tried to lightning rod Terrabrand, but was stopped from doing so.

However, I didn't detect any other visits, but since the flavour text of being role-blocked put me to sleep, I think that might be me unable to detect visit.

Anyway, I believe Terraband is scum.

[X] Lynch Terrabrand.

Their logic is completely flawed as I used my lightning rod on night 1 to redirect both Nami and QT to me and cause that big mess on Day 2. For me to have been lying about that, QT, myself and Nami would all have to be cult, which means I would had to start off as both cult and teal killer. Which seems not incredibly unlikely to me as not only have people been saying that a three person cult being overpowered, but the teal killer has gotten cult which doesn't make sense if I started off at cult.

Furthermore, from what Nictis says, a transporter role means that I would have to visit myself so unless they are claiming that myself, Nami and QT are all starting as cult, then Nami should have called me out as visiting myself Night 2. Additionally, I have claimed lighting-rod with immunity to the dark magics of evil creatures, which frankly is a bit too complex for someone who is doing their first game to claim (I still don't know what a transporter is and I assume it is some kind of self-teleporter), so by shutting me down with a role-block only helps scum and hurts town.

So I have two theories. The less likely one is that Terrabrand is the teal killer and is some kind of evil creature who uses magic to kill and role-block and therefore they wanted to roleblock me to keep me from intercepting their kill. The reason they refrained from killing me is that they want to establish an alibi for themselves by correctly claiming that they roleblocked me and there was no teal kill so falsely saying I must have been the teal killer as a result.

The second theory is that they are cult. That is the only reason that they would have roleblocked beyond covering their own butt. The cult would want to shut down my anti-cult lighting rod as my usage of that could severely hurt the cult. As things are, they have severely hurt town by shutting down my anti-cult lighting rod and have conveniently forgotten to mention that in their reasoning. Terrabrand claimed it was targeting me or nothing productive, but ignores that targeting me helps cult, but hurts town. Like they completely forgot to mention that if I was telling the truth about my claim, targeting me would help cult, but hurt town. Furthermore, they forgot to mention Nami as a possible target so.

So given how utterly harmful they have been to town, Terrabrand has been acting in a stupid manner if they are town like they claim so they are either an idiot or cult. Given their veteran status, I know which one I favour.
 
I also think that since Terrabrand is most likely cult and roleblocked me on cult's behalf, either Nami or QT got culted in the night.
 
1KBestK said:
Nictis is also one of the only people left who can be scum.
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Honestly? I hate to admit it, because I don't like playing mafia this way, but Nictis self vote yesterday felt like genuine town, and genuine in general.

And he'd be a terrible cult target last night, if he was town, between being a bit of a dick move if he wants to just drop and the fact that he's not one of the powers that can stop or catch town.

Which... Has me thinking Dovah, you, or our confirmed power claims, in the latter case either having the powers they claim and being cult originals or getting culted last night. So.
 
Terrabrand said:
Honestly? I hate to admit it, because I don't like playing mafia this way, but Nictis self vote yesterday felt like genuine town, and genuine in general.

And he'd be a terrible cult target last night, if he was town, between being a bit of a dick move if he wants to just drop and the fact that he's not one of the powers that can stop or catch town.

Which... Has me thinking Dovah, you, or our confirmed power claims, in the latter case either having the powers they claim and being cult originals or getting culted last night. So.
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Then why aren't you lynching the one of us who hasn't claimed?
 
1KBestK said:
Then why aren't you lynching the one of us who hasn't claimed?
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Point. I was on Dovah yesterday and he keeps slipping my mind.

@Dovah, you're gonna need to get in here more today, end line. I'm not able to let the inactivity slide, you'll have to claim I think given your the only unclaimed.

My vote is on you in spirit, but I'm not putting it down... You know, in case we're wrong. don't need instant triple vote hammer nonsense occuring.
 
Claim and contribute, I mean. Sheesh. Still too fried.

But claiming is gonna be needed given you're the only remaining question mark player, and we gotta get this lynch right.
 
I will also point out that Terrabrand was focusing on the serial killer and conveniently ignoring the still active cult when they gave their reasoning for role-blocking me and my anti-cult lighting rod (which conveniently left out that I had claimed to have such an ability at all)
 
I don't think that Terrabrand started as cult, but I am ninety nine percent certain that they are recruited cult given how anti-town and pro-cult their actions have been.
 
Okay. I'm feeling tinfoil hat paranoia.

Can somebody fact check me on something?

Do we have actual evidence against the possibility of cult leader: Nictis, 1k, or Dovah, who culted Nani last night (nani watching Oshha was our evidence cult hadn't gotten him) and then Oshha culted last night?

Who are now trying to use my less than stellar play to force the last myslynch they need?

Also getting paranoid that Oshha may have been cult leader who immediately culted Nani and then they played QTesseract day 2 to obfuscate results..

Fuck I dunno right now, not up to digging for the result claims.
 
I mean, either they're a Serial Killer that pulls visits towards them in order to frame people for the Tracker/Slow down Cult, they're Cult and only just switched over meaning that 1K is also Cult, or both 1K and Oshha are Town in which case there's some serious overlap between the two roles and the fluff of the vigilante when quite frankly we don't seem to have anyone who can be the Vigilante left.

@1KBestK says that they get to sprinkle Holy Water on people and that will keep them alive. Or Bless them rather, but basically the same difference. Overlap and misfitting fluff.
@Oshha has an amulet that specifically protects them from Vampires. If he's stabbed though, he's stabbed.

Terrabrand said:
Do we have actual evidence against the possibility of cult leader: Nictis, 1k, or Dovah, who culted Nani last night (nani watching Oshha was our evidence cult hadn't gotten him) and then Oshha culted last night?
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Nope, but it's incredibly unlikely that the Cult Leader is also a Transporter because it invalidates both the Tracker and the Watcher. Self Redirector doesn't make much sense for Cult Leader either considering Town has a Vigilante and it would again make the Watcher useless against them. They would need to visit the same person they pull attention from in order to avoid QT not having seen someone visit two people at once, and this would invalidate the Doctor if 1K is one.

Oshha's role just doesn't work well in a Cult Game, or rather it works too well. Except for when it brings the Vigilante or SK to them, but that makes sense as a risk for a Town redirector.

I was going to put something else here, but I forgot what.
 
Nictis said:
I mean, either they're a Serial Killer that pulls visits towards them in order to frame people for the Tracker/Slow down Cult, they're Cult and only just switched over meaning that 1K is also Cult, or both 1K and Oshha are Town in which case there's some serious overlap between the two roles and the fluff of the vigilante when quite frankly we don't seem to have anyone who can be the Vigilante left.

@1KBestK says that they get to sprinkle Holy Water on people and that will keep them alive. Or Bless them rather, but basically the same difference. Overlap and misfitting fluff.
@Oshha has an amulet that specifically protects them from Vampires. If he's stabbed though, he's stabbed.


Nope, but it's incredibly unlikely that the Cult Leader is also a Transporter because it invalidates both the Tracker and the Watcher. Self Redirector doesn't make much sense for Cult Leader either considering Town has a Vigilante and it would again make the Watcher useless against them. They would need to visit the same person they pull attention from in order to avoid QT not having seen someone visit two people at once, and this would invalidate the Doctor if 1K is one.

Oshha's role just doesn't work well in a Cult Game, or rather it works too well. Except for when it brings the Vigilante or SK to them, but that makes sense as a risk for a Town redirector.

I was going to put something else here, but I forgot what.
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It's not holy water, it's a shield of unholy corruption, and I didn't write the flavor.
 
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