What you could be is the serial killer. What you cannot be is the vig, unless you're lying about your town read on me of the time, in which case why were you lying as town?
Actually, why the hell are you getting in the way of me trying to bluff out the Tracker who would have seen me go do it?
You could see my notes, you could see me trying to stop people from revealing for no useful reason, why the hell is it that as soon as I try to verify one of the other roles you decide to just come in with a big "Nope, fuck you. Stop lying."
Like. There are a variety of things here. The Tracker that pretty obviously watched me, you yourself are a roleblocker and can stop me from killing anyone if you actually believed I am the Serial Killer, and I honestly can't think of anything else right now but what the hell Terrabrand? You were just talking about how you had an over reliance on claims and here we are, with literally everyone but one person having claimed because of it and you stopping me from actually trying to check people.
Actually, why the hell are you getting in the way of me trying to bluff out the Tracker who would have seen me go do it?
You could see my notes, you could see me trying to stop people from revealing for no useful reason, why the hell is it that as soon as I try to verify one of the other roles you decide to just come in with a big "Nope, fuck you. Stop lying."
Like. There are a variety of things here. The Tracker that pretty obviously watched me, you yourself are a roleblocker and can stop me from killing anyone if you actually believed I am the Serial Killer, and I honestly can't think of anything else right now but what the hell Terrabrand? You were just talking about how you had an over reliance on claims and here we are, with literally everyone but one person having claimed because of it and you stopping me from actually trying to check people.
The Vanilla is meant to stir shit up and get information while appearing more important than it is. This is the same shit you've been saying about Vanillas for... Forever. A long time at least.
So you see me very obviously trying to keep scum from figuring out who the Vigilante is, you see me setting up some sort of smokescreen that suggests that I might be the Vigilante, you see the Tracker who is currently questioning me and almost certainly knows what I wasn't doing the last night, and you just decide to announce to everyone that I cannot be the Vigilante, before the Tracker even gets to announce that I'm not the Serial Killer? Just... Damnit Terra.
Then who the hell did you even track? You said it was someone who hadn't revealed and that was all of Me and Dovah, and Dovah was Roleblocked so I figured you wouldn't have bothered to track him.
Actually, no. Don't answer that if it's bad for you to answer, I'm just annoyed and posting a lot more than I should right now.
Anyway, I think I sold having tracked nictis well enough that I don't beleive he would have lied. As such, i beleive he did not take action last night. That doesn't rule out being scum or having been culted, but it does limit the possibilities some.
I really need to find the time and mental energy to go through these last four pages of arguments and figure out who I need to vote on. Ugh. I said I'd stop drifting and then I feel like I spent most of today drifting anyway and after all this I still don't have a good idea on who should be topping my list right now.
Well, assuming (and this might not be true for obvious reasons) that all claimed roles are actual roles, and that none of the power roles started out also as vampires (also debatably likely, but definitely possible), and assuming that the queen did not start as a vampire (though DimensionalGuy doesn't seem the best target for culting unless I missed something?), the people left that could have started as scum are Nictis, Dovah, Broken Base, and 1KBestK.
Of those, Broken Base and 1kBestK have been active and talky and thinky from the start, which is probably a good sign, and I still feel 1KBestK's confusion with the color being evidence or not was probably evidence of her being a villager as it felt like an honest 'aha a mistake wait that was not a mistake' mental jump. Could still be the SK I guess if she was and didn't get the civ color, but that feels low likelihood. They're definite possibles for having been culted, but I don't think they started out as cult.
This leaves me looking at Nictus and Dovah whom... honestly for people in the top five amount of posts right now (Nictus has the most, Dovah has the fifth most) they just don't stand out in my memory much which is either a sign I have bad memory or another reason to take a closer look at them. Probably both honestly. Specially given the big argument Nictus has with Terrabrand just today. On the other other hand, going back through the old votes DimensionalGuy did vote against both of them at one time or another, which... well, isn't actually proof, but is still something to at least consider. Also I wish we'd posted more vote tallies as the game went on for more easy gained data. Anyway, beyond that, as mentioned back post 669, the winning vote on Absum was DimensionalGuy, Dovah, and Broken Base so one of them might have been helping a scum mate get a kill through... or they might just have been going after someone who they thought was sus but it's more circumstantial evidence I'm adding to this post so I can remember to account for it later on.
...Anyway, this is kinda a long post to end with "I still don't know which one of those four I consider most sus, but all of them are on my list, and when it's not 11:33 PM (IE, when I wake up) I need to go back and go through each of their posts again instead of just skimming the thread entire to look for logic gaps and anything interesting.'
Adhoc vote count started by Happerry on Jun 30, 2019 at 2:42 AM, finished with 455 posts and 11 votes.
The accusations are well on the way when suddenly one member steps up onto the window-sill and pushes open the window turning to the rest. "I must go, know that I am Lycus, The Butler and wish you all well, but stay here I can no longer do, don't follow me, only I know the secret of how to survive this passage." with that he jumps and the entire congregation rushes to see what happened to the clearly delusional man...but looking down at the Verydistant rampart...they see no body...that man must have escaped somehow afterall! Damn him...he left you all to deal with this situation! Regardless once again the accusations resume anew, as fingers are repointed at the veiled identities.
@Broken Base has been modkilled by request(As it is too late for me to replace) They were Lycus, The Butler.
Their alignment will remain a mystery outright until the game is over. Thank you for playing while you could and I hope things improve.
You can set the points where the tally will stop at in the tally. You can use specific post numbers to see what the situation looked like when people made their specific posts and you can click the names to go straight to the post with the vote in it. It's useful.
Actually, why the hell are you getting in the way of me trying to bluff out the Tracker who would have seen me go do it?
You could see my notes, you could see me trying to stop people from revealing for no useful reason, why the hell is it that as soon as I try to verify one of the other roles you decide to just come in with a big "Nope, fuck you. Stop lying."
Like. There are a variety of things here. The Tracker that pretty obviously watched me, you yourself are a roleblocker and can stop me from killing anyone if you actually believed I am the Serial Killer, and I honestly can't think of anything else right now but what the hell Terrabrand? You were just talking about how you had an over reliance on claims and here we are, with literally everyone but one person having claimed because of it and you stopping me from actually trying to check people.
Because I don't think you're town, explicitly? Because I'm rating it as 50/30/200% chance you/Happerry/Serial Killer is multi power or roleblock immune for serial killer status? Because I think I see you as serial killer trying to soft bluff vig, probably planning to kill the actual vig to avoid being counter claimed, to weasel through?
Because notes can be faked and I'm not gonna rely on 'lol townderp proof' having been following Pawn's MU game?
(technically sk could be BB but my gut doesn't feel it. I've been reading you as the most likely candidate for SK, followed by Happerry, followed by a not you not happery case of multi powers or roleblock proofing.)
And I can only roleblock you if you aren't roleblock proof, and I've been betting that there's at least a 50% chance SK has multi-power or RB immunity but would still rather not jam power claims in case they are town.
I've been townreading QT more than you, and anyways I did not notice QT having 'obviously tracked you', I honestly figured on tracking Dovah from how things went down.
Nictis, if you are town you need to bloody well learn the lesson you can still be scumread as town. You don't get a freaking GM clear as vanilla, I think I see scum trying to bluff the net, of course I call it out rather than letting you do it brazenly and risking everyone else missing it.
Like. I saw a scummy contradiction. Of course I called it out. What the hell makes this anti town when I think you're the bloody scum and you contradict yourself?
Why wouldn't I jump on an apparent scumslip?
No, at this point, there's too high a chance this is a refuge in audacity attempt, and if you are town you're self admitted vanilla. I still rate you as most likely to be scum, probably SK but I feel like there's a cult case which if I have the energy later I should probably prioritize digging into. Dovah can wait, you're either self admittedly worthless beyond arguing ability or your scum.
You've gotten away with too many audacious scum plays for me to rule this out as such.
[X] Lynch Nictis
Dovah will hold to tomorrow, though I'm not letting him slip farther than that unless he shows some work.
Honestly, I'm done. But, let's take a look at what your reasoning so far has been for scumhunting.
"Let's get everyone to reveal because then it'll be easy to find the scum."
"Nictis doesn't want people to reveal because he doesn't know how to fake claim."
"The Watcher is a Serial Killer because Cyricubed likes that role."
"The Serial Killer Watcher knows that the Queen is actually a Vampire."
"Nictis is trying to look like a Vigilante when he already said he wasn't, so let's not wait the five fucking minutes for the Tracker to confirm things and instead just call him out because Town never lies or uses a ruse!" (Of course it's absolutely up to you to call me out for it, it's not like Counter Claiming is a thing...)
Does "Not literally perfect at the game so why do people accuse me of it" sound familiar to you? There's a reason we both hold each other to really high standards and capitalize on whatever mistakes we can find, we are really good scum, and both of us are really good at getting away with it as Scum even when we do fuck up.
I realized a little while ago that I've gotten toxic, and after these two games wrap up I plan on leaving. I'm just not pleasant for people to play with. And I am way too fucking tired to articulate this well, but... Fuck.
The notes are honest, the slip was deliberate but poorly thought out. Terrabrand is... Probably Town since we always seem to do this when we're both Town, but I'm calling him Cult anyways because it's the only read I've got on him. QT is doing a thing and I honestly have no idea what to make of it, but I'm inclined to say that they're either still Town or they're the assistant character for the Cult since Tracker is specifically best for finding Power Roles. I believe Town, but could be Cult. I am Vanilla, and I honestly can't think of anything else to add here.
And no, I didn't call that shit anti-Town, I was just really annoyed because you were too damn impatient to let the attempt at gathering info actually do what it was supposed to do before the first half of the Day was over.
I realized a little while ago that I've gotten toxic, and after these two games wrap up I plan on leaving. I'm just not pleasant for people to play with. And I am way too fucking tired to articulate this well, but... Fuck.
I'm not gonna try to say this is wrong or whatever, because I think a break would be good for you, because you have gotten a bit toxic in recent games, but I would gladly welcome you back if you want to come back in a couple months or whatever and try again when your habits have faded a bit. And hopefully avoid the toxicity issue.
I'm not really seeing a productive way for me to respond to anything else right now, so I'll leave it at that.
Same as before. They're being very sus and of the thee I have outlined myself as being suspicious of:
BB has been modkilled
Nictis has convinced me they did not take action (doesn't rule out them as scum, admittedly, but does make it less likely)
1kBestK has done nothing.
Blue Scum:
Dovah can only be blue scum if there are two Blue scum.
Ditto for 1kbestk.
Terabrand would play differently as blue scum, although I suppose it's not technically impossible that a teammate had already chosen the night action, so terrabrand can only be blue scum if there are two blue scum.
I am not blue scum
I am convinced that Ossha did not start scum.
I am convinced that Nanimani did not start scum.
That means that one of @Happerry or @Nictis must be blue scum. One of the others may be blue scum as well, but only if one of these first is as well.
Vampires:
I am not a vampire
Oshha is almost certainly not a vampire, because there's way too high a chance of them lying about cult immunity or nanimani watching them.
Nanimani is probably not a vampire, because they didn't start as one and expecting oshha to defend them would be a no brainer. They could have been culted night 1, however.
At least two of Nictis, 1kbestk, Dovah, Terrabrand, and Happerry are almost certainly vampires. Terrabrand and Nictis are less likely, because Nictis was immune to culting night 1 and terrabrand was almost certainly not culted night 1.
The main suspects are @Dovah , @1KBestK , and @Happerry
