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We need another situation with highly restricted ROE for poaw to completely shit all over. He could turn a normal day organising patrols through the Iraqi No Fly Zone, into a full scale invasion of the Middle East as a prelude to an armoured thrust into the underside of the USSR.
 
Ukrainian intervention guys.

Failing that South China Sea or Norks going nuts during US-Korea exercises.
 
SaintD said:
We need another situation with highly restricted ROE for poaw to completely shit all over. He could turn a normal day organising patrols through the Iraqi No Fly Zone, into a full scale invasion of the Middle East as a prelude to an armoured thrust into the underside of the USSR.
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*pictures Obama waking up to see all his military advisors in his room, looking like they have a lot of things to apologize for*

Obama: It's about that admiral I demoted last week, right?

Chief of staff: Yes, sir.

Obama: You know what? Fuck this shit. I'm going to sleep in, today.
 
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Do you know of any resources about the air and naval forces involved? Ship types and names, airfields and the numbers and types of aircraft involved?

The research involved is usually the first bottleneck in creating scenarios, (the second being setting up the AI missions, then making all the events) so anything to speed that part along helps.
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The wikipedia page has a fair bit of detail on the argentine forces. The spanish one goes into more detail. Can't find info on the chilean side, seems they haven't been published. Nvm here's a bit on ground forces (wow they're bad). In spanish, as to be expected.

A bit busy with stuff so not searching anymore. V:
 
Rufus Shinra said:
*pictures Obama waking up to see all his military advisors in his room, looking like they have a lot of things to apologize for*

Obama: It's about that admiral I demoted last week, right?

Chief of staff: Yes, sir.

Obama: You know what? Fuck this shit. I'm going to sleep in, today.
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"Sir, while you were sleeping a third front was opened up via Pakistan. We are apparently now invading India to create a buffer between us and China."

"I slept twenty extra minutes."

"Yes Sir. If you'd taken any longer we wouldn't have been able to tell you in person about the attack now beginning on the horn of Africa."
 
I'm making a scenario based *loosely* on the tanker wars. Well, really based on the USN and Operation Preying Mantis but transplanted 30 years forward, as far as forces but with the operational considerations left in place (lack of infrastructure in the region, a refusal to operate major combatants in the Gulf itself, etc).

For a break though....what about me fighting the Six Day war from the Israeli side?

I CAN NOT MESS THAT UP.
 
poaw said:
I'm making a scenario based *loosely* on the tanker wars. Well, really based on the USN and Operation Preying Mantis but transplanted 30 years forward, as far as forces but with the operational considerations left in place (lack of infrastructure in the region, a refusal to operate major combatants in the Gulf itself, etc).

For a break though....what about me fighting the Six Day war from the Israeli side?

I CAN NOT MESS THAT UP.
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*cut to shot of Jerusalem burning*
 
I don't know if Israel had nuclear weapons at that point, but I really hope not, and hope even more that the game doesn't allow the player to deploy them.

That's a lie, I want poaw to fuck it up horribly, accidentally kill first world bystanders, and have to nuke everything.
 
poaw said:
LOL can't, it uses a database from a beta update I don't have yet.

Going to have to settle for France versus Algeria in 2014.
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Ohh, could be interesting, especially as Algeria bought some S-300 and France is, well... deeply lacking in SEAD capabilities, with no HARM-type missiles available.

Just remember to stop your invasion when you get around Moscow, okay?
 
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France versus Algeria, 2014
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    • Ok, here's the briefing. I read skimmed it enough so that I know need to rescue hostages or something like that. I basically have to land a helo somewhere likely well-defended to trigger a Macguffin.
    Commander,
    As you know those last 5 days have been really busy for us with what's happening in Algeria, but the president finally decided to allow an armed intervention.
    The goal of this military action is to save our national being held in the Alegrian ministery of defence in Algiers, and aswell teaching a lesson to the Alegrian(You are free to engage any target you deem necessary for the success of the mission).
    But beware, their armed force are equiped with high end Russian material !
    In order to accomplish you objective you have to land your SAR Caracal helicopter (Pegasus 1 to 4) in the Algerian MoD. You have to hold five minutes, the time fo your commandos of the 1er RPIMa aboard the helicopters to free and load the prisoners on the choppers. Expect heavy resistance.
    Your forces :
    L'Armée de l'Air:
    -EC Provence (Rafale)
    -EC Normandie-Niemen (rafales)
    -EC Ile-de-France (Mirage 2000)
    -EDCA 01 (E-3F)
    -GRV Bretagne (KC-135FR)
    Marine Nationale:
    -Mediterrean Fleet (Toulon)
    -CVBG Charles de Gaulle (Marrocan coast)
    Algerian Forces :
    Air forces:
    -1x squadron of SU-30 MK2
    -2x squadron of Mig-29
    -1x squadron of Mig-25
    -3x squadrons of Su-24
    Navy:
    -4x Kilo submarines (Russian)
    -3x Nanuchka class
    -3x Koni class
    Good Luck
    Jean-Yves le Drian French minister of Defence (<-----Sidenote: Is this the Frenchest name ever or is it just me? Because I read that like Dwayne Elizondo Mountain Dew Herbert Camacho

    Anyway, I have a bunch of stuff. Like my old friend the CdG with a full complement of Rafales and aircraft I know not to strafe with. Land-wise, Rafales EVERYWHERE.

    And for a bonus aspect of realism the CdG have TWO nuclear weapons (foreshadowing​)!


    EDIT: Found 16 more nukes.
     
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    • poaw said:
    Ok, here's the briefing. I read skimmed it enough so that I know need to rescue hostages or something like that. I basically have to land a helo somewhere likely well-defended to trigger a Macguffin.
    Commander,
    As you know those last 5 days have been really busy for us with what's happening in Algeria, but the president finally decided to allow an armed intervention.
    The goal of this military action is to save our national being held in the Alegrian ministery of defence in Algiers, and aswell teaching a lesson to the Alegrian(You are free to engage any target you deem necessary for the success of the mission).
    But beware, their armed force are equiped with high end Russian material !
    In order to accomplish you objective you have to land your SAR Caracal helicopter (Pegasus 1 to 4) in the Algerian MoD. You have to hold five minutes, the time fo your commandos of the 1er RPIMa aboard the helicopters to free and load the prisoners on the choppers. Expect heavy resistance.
    Your forces :
    L'Armée de l'Air:
    -EC Provence (Rafale)
    -EC Normandie-Niemen (rafales)
    -EC Ile-de-France (Mirage 2000)
    -EDCA 01 (E-3F)
    -GRV Bretagne (KC-135FR)
    Marine Nationale:
    -Mediterrean Fleet (Toulon)
    -CVBG Charles de Gaulle (Marrocan coast)
    Algerian Forces :
    Air forces:
    -1x squadron of SU-30 MK2
    -2x squadron of Mig-29
    -1x squadron of Mig-25
    -3x squadrons of Su-24
    Navy:
    -4x Kilo submarines (Russian)
    -3x Nanuchka class
    -3x Koni class
    Good Luck
    Jean-Yves le Drian French minister of Defence (<-----Sidenote: Is this the Frenchest name ever or is it just me? Because I read that like Dwayne Elizondo Mountain Dew Herbert Camacho

    Anyway, I have a bunch of stuff. Like my old friend the CdG with a full complement of Rafales and aircraft I know not to strafe with. Land-wise, Rafales EVERYWHERE.

    And for a bonus aspect of realism the CdG have TWO nuclear weapons (foreshadowing​)!
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    Well, well, well, here's my first evaluation of your situation:

    The naval groups should be safe from air attack, as long as you keep your FREMM and Forbin frigates in one piece, as their Aster SAM are high-performance systems in anti-air and anti-missile defence. The big problem will be the Kilo submarines, against which you will have to be very careful, especially as you don't seem to have Atlantique 2 ASW planes available. If you can locate and kill them, you'll be able to breathe and demolish half the continent as you usually do. The Rubis submarines are good, but not as good as a Virginia or an Astute, and carry a limited supply of weapons, so watch out when using them.

    OK, now for the offensive part of the operation, you'll notice that the French military lacks two things you learned to enjoy: tons of sea-launched cruise missiles and, most importantly, SEAD ammunitions. Your SEAD will have to be done through the SCALP missiles, fired by the Rafale, and the AASM bomb/missile fired by the same plane. The latest version of the Exocet should give you some ground-attack capability too.

    If the database is realistic enough, the SCALP Naval fired by the warships will NOT be as stealthy as the airborne one, due to its shape. Take that into consideration when attacking a SAM system with SHORAD like a Pantsir. The AASM, however, will be your weapon of choice for everything outside high-end SAM systems, as it has the range to attack most ground targets in standoff.

    Bonne chance.


    P.S.: as the last clusterfuck showed it, political events can kick in depending on your actions. Remember that there is a large Algerian minority in France before launching your pair of ASMP-A. ;-)



    Soon on Sufficient Velocity: why the French Foreign Legion should look really closely at the resume of a recently fired US admiral before hiring him.


    Edit: Mon Dieu, sixteen additional nuclear devices under your command... We are all going to die, aren't we?
     
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    I could be careful about the Kilos, and try to avoid their likely patrol areas OR I can blow down the Algerian AF and then use my ASW helos to sanitize Op boxes for the CdG so I can move it point blank range and double the throw weight of my Super Enterds by carrying a second bomb instead of a drop tank.

    Decisions decisions....

    Also my massive opening cruise missile strike consists of 4 SCLAP EGs. Seriously man, what do they fill their VLS tubes with?

    I'm waiting to get my ISR assets in place before I commit, because only incompetents don't scout first.
     
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    I could be careful about the Kilos, and try to avoid their likely patrol areas OR I can blow down the Algerian AF and then use my ASW helos to sanitize Op boxes for the CdG so I can move it point blank range and double the throw weight of my Super Enterds by carrying a second bomb instead of a drop tank.

    Decisions decisions....

    Also my massive opening cruise missile strike consists of 4 SCLAP EGs. Seriously man, what do they fill their VLS tubes with?

    I'm waiting to get my ISR assets in place before I commit, because only incompetents don't scout first.
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    Forget about the Super Etendards. A second bomb is not worth risking the CdG. Keep mobile, take out the Algerian AF and bomb their air bases if you need to do it, but do NOT come close to the coast. Fuck, the SE should probably stay in their hangars during the whole operation, because in an environment with S-300 and Flankers, they are worse than useless.

    As for the VLS tubes, we fill them with high-end SAM systems to make sure our carrier is still floating and able to throw Rafales carrying the actual strike package.

    Oh, BTW, remember that the Rafale can carry the Reco NG recce pod. It's a very, very powerful equipment if you want to have good intel everywhere. Seriously, it's a world-class system here. Technically, the Raffie is going to be a very good ISR asset, with its recce pod and its SPECTRA EW suite able to map the electronic battlefield, identify targets and give you the position of at least ground targets and possibly airborne ones too.

    You have a semi-stealth plane with an excellent avionic suite and enjoy AWACS support, both from land bases and your CVN. If you fight smart, you should have no problem slaughtering the Flankers.

    Do you have Meteor AAM available?
     
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    Blackout said:
    What sort of door gun are we even talking about?

    The it turns out it's actually some sort of secret US bipod-mounted prototype railgun poaw accidented to come along.
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    The combat log lists it as a GAU-16, but states that it's 7.62mm, despite being .50 BMG in real life.

    Regardless, the only way the incident would have been more badass is if the crew chief of the Seahawk sank it with his sidearm. Or just fucking helocasted into the water to rip the hatch open with his bare hands, since the helicopter in question is clearly full of action heroes.
     
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    poaw said:
    And for a bonus aspect of realism the CdG have TWO nuclear weapons (foreshadowing​)!

    EDIT: Found 16 more nukes.
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    Ohhhh boy. I hope this isn't the same continuity as your Syria Intervention was in, otherwise I suspect this world has a known psychological condition involving admirals in wars going mad. I can only assume that the wars that didn't feature such an event involved the support staff tackling and arresting their admiral before they could do damage.

    Maniacal laughter is probably a clue.
     
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