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For all the genetic bullshit that people have pulled off since World War 2, I don't think there's any evidence that cloning is a thing yet. At least not on earth. Actually a little weird that none of the sources of canon have done that yet.
Depends what we mean by "cloning", I guess. Dolly the cloned sheep was semi-famous for a while until she died for being a, well, cloned sheep. Cloning in that sense is a real science fact. If we're talking about something more like having multiple instances of the same person running around, yeah not so much.

I don't think he appears in the DC sources you're pulling from, but there was a Superboy who was a (part-) clone of Superman.

And then there's the Spider-Man clone saga but we don't talk about that.
 
Hmm I guess I don't like the idea that humans or the other side getting bending easily even if its in the long term.
Spiritual does put a brake on it.
 
I don't think he appears in the DC sources you're pulling from, but there was a Superboy who was a (part-) clone of Superman.

And then there's the Spider-Man clone saga but we don't talk about that.

There are rumors Superboy might be introduced late in this season of Supergirl, or early in the next. But only Season 1 is any degree of canon, so that's still not an example. Bizarro only very loosely qualifies.

Peter Parker won't be active as Spider-Man for another three-to-four years, at least. The Clone Saga doesn't happen until several years after that, probably during his college years. Mister Essex has time to figure out the necessary technologies between now and then.

Hmm I guess I don't like the idea that humans or the other side getting bending easily even if its in the long term.

By "long term", we're talking hundreds of years. Even if SI has lots and lots of kids, which seems unlikely given her line of work, Bending will still only propagate as quickly as the generations do. It's possible by the time of the Legion of Superheroes a sizable minority of the general population might be Benders. But all humans are telepathic cyborg sorcerers by that era anyway. So it's not like SI turns them into a super-race. They already were one.
 
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Dungeon Crawl
They've been drawing a lot of blood. I'm guessing they took some before I woke up too. The good news is that they've been giving me lots to drink to compensate. And I've been using that to covertly heal Ross up to almost full health. The bad news is that that means I haven't been drinking a lot of what they've given me, and my Chi expenditure has left me with not very much energy to myself.

I still have no idea why they haven't killed me yet. They haven't asked for anything. They just keep us locked down here, and every few hours they come and take some of my blood. I don't know how long exactly we've been here, but it feels like a few days.

There's no good time to stage our breakout attempt. The two guards switch out at different times, and the new guard comes before the old one leaves, so that only means we'd have three people to deal with instead of two. Whenever they take my blood, they bring sufficient numbers to overpower any attempt we could make then. They take my blood often enough that I'm never quite at full strength, and even if I were I'd be held back by having to drag Ross out with me.

Breakouts are hard.

...Why is the wall vibrating? I put my ear against it. Is that running water? If I can hear it it has to be close. I might be able to use that.

Let's see. What else do I have? Fire, obviously. But not a lot of it until I get my strength back up. I haven't yet been able to figure out lightning, unfortunately. I've already tried metalbending the cuff, but it's not responding in the same way earth does.

The guards aren't looking. But I don't have a plan yet.

But
... Will I ever? What information am I lacking now that I'll get by just waiting more?

No. I'm not strong enough yet. Now that Ross is healed, I can actually drink everything they're giving me. I need more energy if we're going to get out of this alive.

I feel the pipes again through the wall. It's regular. Maybe about every five minutes. Maybe less. I can use the pipes to measure time. If I measure the time between blood drives I can know when it's coming, which means I'll be able to tell when I'm the strongest I'm going to be.

So the next time they draw my blood, I calmly sit back with my ear against the wall. And after they leave, I start counting. One, two, three, four, five…

…Seventy-three, seventy-four. They come in again. I count out one more cycle just to make sure that it's consistent.

Seventy four again. I'm as ready as I'll ever be. I go to Ross and whisper, "I have a plan. Be ready."

I'm lying, but it's to make him feel better.

As soon as the pipe hits seventy I give Ross a nod to let him know it's time. The guards aren't looking.

Okay, you chunk of dungeon wall. I'm not chained to you.

You're chained to me.

I take stance and pull, and the chain comes free. The block of stone attached to it flies directly past my head, and I thrust again to try and send it at one of the guards.

But it's still attached to my arm by a chain. And I'm on my face. That was stupid. I scramble over to Ross and pull his chain out too as quickly as I can.

And he immediately stands to slug one of the guards with a right hook. They fall.

The other guard is nowhere to be seen. They must be going for backup.

Ross pulls me upright. I see motion in the corner of my eye and kick the prone guard in the head before he can do whatever it is he was about to try.

Ross asks, "What now?"

I start walking towards the door, "I don't know. I honestly wasn't expecting to make it this far."

He looks at me incredulously. I shrug.

We go down a long stone hallway before finding a three-way fork. Every tunnel including the one we just came from has an old rusted iron door. But they're all open. I see sunlight and turn that direction.

We reach the end and there's a storm drain right above us. It's buried in the surrounding rock.

I just figured this trick out with the chain a minute ago, albeit on a smaller scale. I take stance and push upwards. The stone cracks.

I hear sirens, "They know we're out."

Come on. Stance, and thrust. The grate pops out. Ross makes a platform with his hands and I use it to push the grate aside and climb up. Then I turn back and pull him up after me.

We're in a courtyard. It's hot, and dry, and there's sand everywhere. I'm starting to think that wasn't a drainage grate. The architecture looks middle-eastern. Worry about where we are later. We need to get out.

I see a red dot on a rooftop. Sniper! I run. Don't bob and weave, just run straight and run fast. I hope Ross is behind me. I hear a gunshot and feel air displaced by the bullet next to my head just as a spot of dirt is thrown up ahead of me.

Well why the fuck are you trying to kill me now? Make up your damn minds already!

Where am I running, besides away from the people with guns? There. That looks like an exit.

It ceases to be an exit when soldiers walk through it and I have to duck behind cover. Then I realize that cover doesn't block the sniper and roll into a new cover.

Ross is lying on the ground out in the open. Was he hit? I don't see blood. Shit. I'm only here because I was trying to save his stupid ass!

I hear boots and look around me. Convenient vase full of water. Lucky. I tip it, and then immediately urge the motion to cease, creating a patch of ice. The first soldier to round the corner slips, and all the ones after him have to climb over him without slipping themselves.

But I'm already running. Exit. Come on, exit. There. That looks like it might be, oh shit.

I barely stop short of a ten meter dropoff above a small town. Why is this here! Fuck!

No. I'm on a mountain. The only way out is down, one way or another. I look down and see a bail of hay. No, that's stupid. Water trough? Not big enough. There's a rooftop I might be able to get to with a boosted jump.

Someone much stronger than me grabs me around the neck from behind, lifting me off the ground and over the cliff's edge.

"You should have jumped."

I've heard that voice before.

And then he knocks me out.
 
Did you leave Ross on the ground?

edit : I confused Ross with Talbot, carry on
 
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Recovery
As soon as I wake up in the same cell I crawl over to Ross and check on him. He wasn't shot. What's wrong with him?

His heartbeat is massively erratic.

I yell, "You have to bring me water!"

A woman walks in, "Is that-"

He's dying, "WATER NOW!"

She throws me a flask of clean water, and I immediately tear open his shirt and get to work.

I know she's watching. I don't care. It's an annoyance that the Ten Rings knows my powerset now, but it was bound to happen eventually.

The last of the flask absorbs into his chest, but he's still not normalizing.

"I need more." I look back at her, "If this man dies, so do you. If you let me save him, then when my friends rescue me, I'll try and convince them to spare you."

"Who is he to you?"

"A piece of shit who gets tons of people killed for very little reason on a regular basis. Get me more water."

She takes the flasks from both of the guards and throws them at me. She's obviously only complying so she can observe my healing powers at work. But that's fine. It's not like she can actually reverse-engineer anything from it.

"He's not breathing." I can do this. CPR was an early lesson. Lean him back, clear his airway. Start compressions. Count out thirty, then mouth to mouth. Again. "Come on, General." Again.

He's breathing. His heartbeat is still too fast though. I open another flask and pour as much Chi as I can into it. I only have one more.

The last one does it. He's normalizing. He's okay.

I relax back against the wall, "And now some to drink, please." I catch the Gatorade she probably came here to give me.

This time we're shackled at both hands, with shorter chains, to a giant empty water heater. It's not hooked up to anything, so I can't turn it into a bomb or anything fun. And of course it's not made of stone, so I'm not breaking free on my own anytime soon. I'm also wearing a metal collar. I'm assuming it has some kind of proximity sensor that shocks me or blows my head off if I get out again.

I sigh, and settle in. My only hope now is that SHIELD has some idea of where I am.

The woman is still here, watching. Might as well get to know my captors, "What do you actually know about the Mandarin?"

She laughs, "The Master is very secretive."

"Do you know how his rings work?"

She frowns, confused, "His rings?"

I nod, "Yes, the actual, physical Ten Rings that the organization gets its name from. Do you know where they come from? What they are? Or even what they can do?"

She just looks confused.

"You do know that he has magic rings, don't you?"

She laughs, "Magic? Is that what SHIELD believes?" She walks out, and I continue to hear her laughter filling the corridor.
 
Magic is real. Rings just sufficiently advanced.

P.S. in 616 Doctor Doom is not genius, he is wizard who pretend to be mad genius.
 
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In 616 Doctor Doom is not genius, he is wizard who pretend to be mad genius.

In 616 Doom is everything. He's one of the best scientists in the universe in almost every field. He's the second most powerful sorcerer of the earth dimension. He's also naturally telepathic, and has cyborg implants that give him technopathy. He has both divine and demonic (very powerful) allies that he can call upon. And he wears power armor. And he's a mutant. A Sentinel once tagged him, but it failed to identify his mutation because all the other sources of power muddled the sensors. He's got so many different kinds of bullshit in his system that it's impossible to tell what comes from where anymore.
 
I've always believed that Doom's mutant power was personal reality warping. What ever he believes he can do, his power warps him to actually be capable of it.
 
Ross's Monsters
Ross wakes up. He rolls over and looks at me, "I have to thank you for saving my life again, don't I."

I shrug, "You could not. I didn't do it for the gratitude. Actually, I'm not sure why I did it."

He laughs, "You really don't like me. What did I do to you?"

"Nothing. Call it a sympathetic hatred on the behalf of someone like me." He questions with his eyes, "The Hulk."

"Like you? I don't see it. You've saved me, twice. Banner never saved anything except himself."

I shake my head, "Putting aside that you just made my single all-time least favorite assumption, what about Harlem?"

"We used Banner in Harlem. We put him in a position where his own survival depended on doing something we needed done."

"No. He could've just left. Creatures above a certain weight class don't automatically have an irresistible urge to fight one another. They still fight for a reason."

"Same reason as the Abomination, he enjoys it!"

I laugh, "He's been loose for years. Up until earlier this year he was a myth. That doesn't happen because he's attacking everything in sight. That happens because he's hiding. From you."

"Banner doesn't hide. He runs, like a co-"

My fist clenches, "Not. Banner."

He tilts his head at me, "What?"

I glare, "I'm not talking about Banner. I'm talking about the Hulk. How can you be so blind as to think that they could possibly be the same person?"

"Because they are! He transforms when he gets mad!"

"No. He doesn't transform. They switch. The body transforms."

"What difference does it make?"

I throw my hands up, "Oh my god! You are exactly the kind of person I avoided in my old life. You're so narrow-minded that anything that doesn't fit inside your little self-constructed boxes of existence can't possibly be real. So you hunt it down and box it up and poke it until it shows something you can latch onto as a category to stuff it in. Monsters! How could it be anything else! It's not human! What's human? Humans are normal! What's normal? Who the fuck knows!"

He's just staring at me.

I sigh, "Let me put this in simple terms. You come into this world in a scary lab filled with crazy equipment. Everything is small, and fragile. Accidents happen, right? Except from your first day of existence everyone you meet shrieks in terror simply because of how tall you are and how strange your skin color is. And then come the guns, and the bombs, and the tanks. And every time you stop someone from trying to hurt you, it's somehow your fault."

I take a breath.

"The Hulk is your mess. Not his. He didn't ask to get made. He needed your protection. And you attacked him. And you hated him. And you made Banner hate him! And that made him hate himself. And he doesn't even know why, or what he did. Because violence is the only language he knows, and he's constantly punished for it…That's what you did."

Ross looks me in the eye, "The Hulk has killed people."

I look right back, "You've killed more."

He doesn't look like he gets it. I need to explain more.

"Despite how much smaller and weaker and squishier you are, you've still managed to kill more. So either he's not a monster… Or you're an even worse one."

He shakes his head, "That was war. I fought to protect my country, and my daughter."

"You declared war on the Hulk a long time ago, so what exactly is the difference? You fight to protect the things you care about. The Hulk is doing the same thing."

"How can you sympathize with it?"

"Because I used to be just like him. Trapped in someone else's body. Treated like a monster whenever I took the chance to show myself for what I was. Sympathy isn't hard, if you're willing to give up your monsters to do it. This world has monsters enough without us turning on each other."

I think the only reason he's still listening is because I saved his life. But he is listening.

I don't know why I'm trying with this guy, but maybe an olive branch is called for, "I've seen your file. You're a good General. Maybe the best of our time. You almost brought down the Hulk, several times, using conventional military fare. That's damned impressive. If you were actually fighting something malevolent?" Point at our guards, "Like these guys? We might have stopped them already."

He's finally looking conflicted, "Maybe I could have made a difference somewhere else. But that's not my job. I'm not a hero. I'm a soldier. I saw a threat to my nation, and I took action."

"Which time?"

He looks at me, "Excuse me?"

"You were one of the people who saw Superman as a threat, right? And that made you push to fund Super Soldiers, and that made the Hulk. And then you saw the Hulk as a threat, so you made Blonsky."

He sinks back against the wall, "You're saying I spent so much time looking for monsters that I finally found one."

That sounds like a breakthrough to me.

I try to reassure him a little, "There are true monsters in this world. I know a guy who can introduce you, once we get out of this."

"How can you be sure we will?"

I sigh, "Because we didn't die in the breakout, and that's what would've done it if we were going to here." He looks unconvinced, "Also, I'm friends with a god."
 
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I throw my hands up, "Oh my god! You are exactly the kind of person I avoided in my old life. You're so narrow-minded that anything that doesn't fit inside your little self-constructed boxes of existence can't possibly be real. So you hunt it down and box it up and poke it until it shows something you can latch onto as a category to stuff it in. Monsters! How could it be anything else! It's not human! What's human? Humans are normal! What's normal? Who the fuck knows!"

He's just staring at me.

I sigh, "Let me put this in simple terms. You come into this world in a scary lab filled with crazy equipment. Everything is small, and fragile. Accidents happen, right? Except from your first day of existence everyone you meet shrieks in terror simply because of how tall you are and how strange your skin color is. And then come the guns, and the bombs, and the tanks. And every time you stop someone from trying to hurt you, it's somehow your fault."

I take a breath.

"The Hulk is your mess. Not his. He didn't ask to get made. He needed your protection. And you attacked him. And you hated him. And you made Banner hate him! And that made him hate himself. And he doesn't even know why, or what he did. Because violence is the only language he knows, and he's constantly punished for it…That's what you did."
This bit here. That was quite intense. I was rather riveted by it.
 
I don't know why I'm trying with this guy, but maybe an olive branch is called for, "I've seen your file. You're a good General. Maybe the best of our time. You almost brought down the Hulk, several times, using conventional military fare. That's damned impressive. If you were actually fighting something malevolent?" Point at our guards, "Like these guys? We might have stopped them already."

This part I quite like, its a good face saving measure, to be honest Xavier's words are getting more negative.
Her change in words is more likely to help change Ross's mindset.
Actually I wonder if meeting a loyal US agent wielding the Thunder god's power would make him more accepting of all the super human business.
 
In 616 Doom is everything. He's one of the best scientists in the universe in almost every field. He's the second most powerful sorcerer of the earth dimension. He's also naturally telepathic, and has cyborg implants that give him technopathy. He has both divine and demonic (very powerful) allies that he can call upon. And he wears power armor. And he's a mutant. A Sentinel once tagged him, but it failed to identify his mutation because all the other sources of power muddled the sensors. He's got so many different kinds of bullshit in his system that it's impossible to tell what comes from where anymore.
He is SI!
 
A Little Help From My Friends
When I wake up to the sound of explosions, I smile.

To their credit, our guards aren't being distracted by the commotion. Ross is already up.

That's the sound of thunder. In the desert. Phil's here.

The woman from earlier hurries in with
... fourteen guards and unlocks my shackles.

I can't win this. I'm too weak. They've taken too much of my blood in the however long it is that I've been here. Even if I were at full strength, they're all armed to kill.

They circle me and one of them prods me in the direction of the hallway with their gun. I don't struggle. I look back at Ross, who they're not bringing along.

They lead me down corridor after corridor, until finally we reach a set of stairs that releases us into the same castle structure I saw during my escape attempt. No. Not the same. This is the part of the complex I saw off that ledge before I got knocked out. The hallways must have been sloped to bring us this far down.

I notice we're staying under cover from the sky. Presumably they don't want Phil to see where they're transporting me. They must be pretty desperate to even take this chance.

And then War Machine lands directly in front of us.

All the soldiers guarding me run away, and I walk forward to greet Rhodes. I smile, "Colonel. Boy is it good to see you."

He grabs my metal collar from both sides and tears it in half, "Where's the General?"

I'm about to answer, and then I see something pretty amazing behind him, and point, "Right there."

General Ross runs over to us, holding a stolen enemy firearm, "Colonel. Who else did you bring?"

I see a lightning strike somewhere else in the complex.

Rhodes answers, "The Thunderer, Hawkeye, and a bomber-class Quinjet."

I ask, "Do you have an extra comms earpiece?"

His helmet turns to me, "No, you have to sit this one out. You don't look like you're in fighting condition anyway. Just let us handle this one."

I sigh, "You're right." And then I straighten up and look him in the eye-slit, "But I can at least take care of myself. Go get 'em."

He tilts his head in a way that tells me he's on comms, and then takes off.

Ross frowns at me, "You don't think we need the extra protection?"

I look at the gun in his hands, "I don't think you need the extra protection. How did you get out?"

"Thirty years of active service. This isn't my first time escaping capture."

We stand for a moment. A building explodes a hundred meters away.

The Quinjet swoops down and opens its ramp before it even touches the ground. Mike and Ike are out running, and the jet is back in the air only seconds later.

Mike hands me a pistol, "We have a signal on your comms, if you want to retrieve your uniform."

I nod, "Okay." Then I realize, "Wait, you can use those as tracking devices?"

He nods, "Are you really complaining about that right now? Let's go!"

"Right. Sorry."

A few minutes later Ross is beating the padlock off a cabinet with the butt of his rifle, and I see my Avatar uniform neatly folded within. That was nice of them. I grab it and tuck it under the arm that isn't holding a gun. And then we're headed back outside.

I ask my rescuers, "What took you guys so long? How long has it been, anyway?"

Ike answers, "It's the twelfth. We couldn't get a lock on your position until we got close enough. They had a low-level jamming field up, and we weren't even sure you were here until a few hours ago when Korea gave us spy satellite footage of your first breakout attempt."

Mike adds, "Nice work, by the way."

I grin, "Thanks. Too bad it didn't work."

Mike argues, "Well it led us right to you. Honestly, we weren't sure you were still alive until then. What did they do to you?"

I shake my head, "They took a lot of my blood. That's it. Why would they want my blood?"

As we climb into the jet and take off for safety, I can't help but think that there's something wrong about all of this. So many things don't add up or make sense. How did they even find me? Why didn't they kill me? And why did they take my blood?
 
And why did they take my blood?

This is Marvel plus DC, this is the world with wizards, aliens, metahumans and all sorts of bullshit chicanery are the norm and superpowers can happen because radiation (instead of cancer & you know, death), why the hell wouldn't they take MC's blood? As for why? To make a fucked up child clone who'll they'll eventually lose control of because most of them wouldn't know how to parent if a PtV-written guide was shoved up their asses/give some douchebag your superpowers of course.

Also: Great chapter!
 
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Save for magic and tech, most powers in superhero comics come from genetics/chemicals/etc in the body. Like Blood.

Problem is, Avatar powers are more like magic and linked with the metaphysical. A clone isn't likely to have powers, since Identical Twins did. But there is magic and such.

In a weird case, they could make an elemental-kinetic drug from your blood.
 
To make a fucked up child clone who'll they'll eventually lose control of because most of them wouldn't know how to parent if a PtV-written guide was shoved up their asses/give some douchebag your superpowers of course.
Any clone or try to give someone else her powers will be useless though, her powers come from the spirit of orden inside her afterall.
 
Any clone or try to give someone else her powers will be useless though, her powers come from the spirit of orden inside her afterall.

Yeah, but they don't know that, and it won't stop them from trying and eventually probs creating some sort of eldritch-spirit-abomination that wants to eat the world or something.
 
Xavier Watches Television
I'm staying overnight in the medbay. Partially for observation, but also so that an IV can catch me up on body fluids.

And while it does that, I'm left to catch up on television. Too bad I haven't watched anything since I moved Earths.

Some medical drama plays in the background as I talk with Jane on the phone, "Yes, I'm fine. I have healing powers now, remember?"

She's cute when she's worried, "I know, but you said you were in the medbay!"

"Just for tonight so I can be hooked up to an IV. I didn't get to eat a lot while I was out. Malnutrition sucks."

It's a lie. But 'I lost a lot of blood while I was a prisoner of the Ten Rings' sounds a lot worse than I want her to be thinking about. What I told her was that I was undercover in Ghazni Province for recon.

And then the TV goes crazy. It randomly switches between sine tones, white noise, and recordings of gunfire and explosions. And when I look at the screen, I see the Ten Rings logo emblazoned in red.

I hear Jane react in horror to the same broadcast on the other end of the line, "Oh god, not again."

And then it all makes sense.

I see the actor posing as the Mandarin come onscreen, "Some people call me a terrorist. I consider myself a teacher."

I call you a fraud. I've seen how this movie ends. You can't want me dead because you don't have access to the spirit world.

"America. Ready for another lesson?"

You don't have access to the spirit world because you don't have any Makluan Rings. Because you're not real.

It makes sense that they didn't kill me, because only the real Mandarin wants me dead. I wasn't captured by the Ten Rings at all. I was captured by Aldrich Killian. I remember his voice now. He was the one who grabbed me from behind at the end of my breakout attempt. That's why he was so strong.

I tune out the television and get on comms, "I need to talk to Coulson, now."

"Agent Coulson is attending to-"

"I'm looking right at what he's attending to, and what I have to say is extremely relevant. Patch me in."

A second later Phil talks to me, "This better be important, Xavier."

"The man on TV right now isn't the Mandarin. He's an actor hired by Aldrich Killian. One of my early reports said AIM was performing illegal human experimentation using something called Extremis."

"I remember. We weren't able to prove anything. The information you gave was too vague to do more than a general investigation."

"I know. I didn't remember that movie very well at the time. But I do now, because this broadcast was in that same fucking movie."

Phil asks, "Why would Aldrich Killian hire an actor to play the Mandarin in a series of fake broadcasts? What does he have to gain?"

I shake my head, "It's more than that. AIM has been imitating the Ten Rings offscreen too. I told you about Extremis. A similar formula was ultimately stabilized by the blood of a pyrokinetic on the SHIELD index."

He gets it, "That's why they took your blood."

"Which means I wasn't abducted by the Ten Rings. I was abducted by Aldrich Killian, because he thought I could help him perfect his toy soldiers. And he was there. Phil, he was there. I heard his voice, I just didn't recognize it until now. That spy satellite footage might be able to prove it if it's high resolution enough. He was the one who knocked me unconscious at the end of my breakout."

"If it were that easy we would have detected it earlier. Where did he grab you?"

"The neck." I realize what he's thinking, "Fingerprints."

Jane talks and oh my god I'm still holding the phone to my comms ear, "Wait, you were abducted? They took your blood? I thought it was recon? Xavier?"

"Oops. Jane, I have to call you back." Hang up before she can protest.

Phil says, "We'll talk about who just accidentally heard what later. We need to get you swabbed for prints as soon as possible. Then you need to get on a jet and make a report to Fury in person. You might have just single-handedly crippled the most notorious terrorist on the planet."

I nod, "One of him, anyway." I get off comms and yell for a doctor, "Hey! Someone get a fingerprinting kit that works on skin!"
 
I've seen the movie with Extremis, but I don't remember anything other than multiple tele-operated suits and some handsome dude with lava-skin that kidnapped Stark's assistant? Pepper, was it?

You have awesome memory, it seems.

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I just youtube'd "EXTREMIS KILLIAN" and got the scene I was talking about. It's from Iron Man 3, right?
 
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