Blood of the Gods: A Fantasy CKII Quest
- Thread starter Cavalier
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- Original Fantasy
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Neferet is pretty much the best fucking regent we could have gotten under the goddamn circumstances. We're the only chance for her to see the continuation of the dynasty, something which she has a personal stake in.
Of course she's not some paragon and would probably prefer us to be a figurehead with her as the real power, but expecting people to not have at least some level of selfishness is just stupid.
Conveniently ignoring that Khui is also on the council and probably supported not handing power over to a 14 year old girl on the basis that we're a 14 year old girl with no experience in governing.
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Yeah, I mean, we're fourteen. There's absolutely no way we would have been handed the full reins of power this early, even if the people on the council were all selfless altruists with only our own interests at heart.
RedV
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Yeah, but who benefits more from the status quo right now? Neferet gets power from keeping us under her thumb as an obedient wife to continue the bloodline, Khui gets more influence by getting a hopefhopefully more militaristic queen in tye throne as opposed to the currently internally focused Government of Kemet.
We should scope out people who are inventivised to put us on the throne is all I'm saying. Queen Neferet may be the best regent 8n the world, but her incentive structure supports us as a puppet ruler and not actually strong on the throne. Also, she isn't going to be a player after she kicks the bucket, so any political support she gives is fleeting. I would prefer to build ties with someone relevant past the next few turns.
Ramses II was Prince Regent for his own dad at fourteen. That's effective control of the kingdom.
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Shard
One and Many
- Location
- Malaysia
[X] Abstain
None of the leading plans have us getting a mentor (instead they all have us take chariot riding.. because?), and their actions don't appreciably change who we'll be taking as a mentor. (Except maybe adding Ptahphsy-guy on.)
We have to trust someone, you know?
The education trait is darned important.
None of the leading plans have us getting a mentor (instead they all have us take chariot riding.. because?), and their actions don't appreciably change who we'll be taking as a mentor. (Except maybe adding Ptahphsy-guy on.)
We have to trust someone, you know?
The education trait is darned important.
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Because it's literally the expected thing for a Pharaoh who in any way, shape or form goes the martial route. We don't have to, obviously, but we're doing pretty well with military learning, and it seems that that's an avenue that has some promise.
Cavalier himself said it, that the Pharaoh fights not on horseback, but on the back of a chariot.
Now, again, we're a woman Queen, and if we want we could try to buck any warrior trends and let other people manage that, but...*waves hands*.
Maybe we just don't want to?
Edit: Also, skeptical about Khui as a mentor, but for reasons other than those stated so far.
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No. Khui gets more profit from being seen as a cool guy who makes not!Egypt great again while women do stupid shit. Like, "popular general overthrows government via personally loyal troops" is trope as old as the term "country", and Khui, if you look into actions, is recruiting troops right now. Maybe they are loyal to the country more than to him though.
For all we know, he is already planning a coup - or at least ultimatum of "either you marry me and your dynasty ends here or you die", which is the same thing aka bad end of the quest.
And even if those troops are loyal to the country more than to him, he gets more influence by being seen as "cool mentor saving inept child with diluted bloodline from being a disgrace" than by being just a good general under even better monarch. And picking him as a mentor seems way too close to the former way.
RedV
Refuelling
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[X] Plan Lion Queen
[X] Learn Court protocol from Dowager Queen Neferet
[X] Establish network of informants in the palace [100 s. deben]
[X] Learn to drive a chariot [-5 Authority]
[X] Choose a Mentor (Khui)
Okay, since both choices don t take a mentor, might as well make a plan that does. This takes most relevant options, including socialising with Neferet for last ditch training and her approval as well as the Hathor side of action ,as well as train martial with Khui for channelling Sekhmet on our foes.
[X] Learn Court protocol from Dowager Queen Neferet
[X] Establish network of informants in the palace [100 s. deben]
[X] Learn to drive a chariot [-5 Authority]
[X] Choose a Mentor (Khui)
Okay, since both choices don t take a mentor, might as well make a plan that does. This takes most relevant options, including socialising with Neferet for last ditch training and her approval as well as the Hathor side of action ,as well as train martial with Khui for channelling Sekhmet on our foes.
bookwyrm
Doom of Public Libraries
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- Wichita, Kansas
Just caught up, this quest is amazing but I'm a little confused on our family.
We have Divine dad who's on a boat,
Real dad who's a giant NERRD!,
Secret mom who's an Alantean Jessica Atreides,
and then Queen Mom who is our not-actually-evil-at-all Evil Stepmother,
And finally, Fairy Lion Godmother who can't decide if she wants to pinch our checks or be incredibly disappointed that we're not eating scorpions for breakfast and beating crocodiles to death.
Did I miss anyone?
We have Divine dad who's on a boat,
Real dad who's a giant NERRD!,
Secret mom who's an Alantean Jessica Atreides,
and then Queen Mom who is our not-actually-evil-at-all Evil Stepmother,
And finally, Fairy Lion Godmother who can't decide if she wants to pinch our checks or be incredibly disappointed that we're not eating scorpions for breakfast and beating crocodiles to death.
Did I miss anyone?
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RedV
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At least he has a motive to put us on the throne. Currently he is a junior partner in a council under Neferet. With us he would be a trusted advisor who could wrangle concessions for the army. And the army is a more relevant institution than Neferet who is in the end one woman.
What motive does Neferet have to allow us anywhere near a seat of power?
And the evil stepmother is just as prevalent a trope, man.
Like let's look at the other serious contender for Mentor: Neferet. Why do you want her as a mentor?
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Sure.
Well it'd be more like asking for her in-depth opinion, but keep in mind that would be colored by her perspective and biases and like everyone else she has an agenda. Now that agenda might be to keep her daughter safe and secure upon her throne, but is that all of her agenda?
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- Austria
Re: Khui: Even if he pushes us on throne and not outright usurps it (which is still an if), we will be nothing more than a bride to get him kids/faux legitimacy and then conveniently disappear. Because, well, patrilineal marriage is a bad end, I guess.
Re: Neferet: I am not for choosing her as a mentor right now; I am voting for FIrm Foundations where we do spend time with various people, including Neferet, to hopefully get a better grasp of their characters.
Right now, I don't really have a preference for Mentor because everyone has ulterior motives of various maliciousness. Mother is proobably less intentionally harmful than the others, but even this is not a guarantee.
RedV
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And he will force us to marry him how? And we would not get an option to say no by vote why?
I do not mean to target you in particular. But there appears to be a certain revulsion and fear of Khui around here, to the point that people are emphasising every bad thing that allying with him could get us.
Like Neferets win condition is have is married to a dude of her choice and be subservient to her as a loyal broodmare for the bloodline, making her de facto ruler. Considering her value at court practically expires once we ascend, unlike Khui who is still a general, she has more reason to attempt to do this. We are still not this afraid of her.
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Because he can get the whole army and/or court on his side by virtue of being ambitious general.
That's why I think befriending eunuchs is a good idea, by the way: we need somebody to balance out Khui in court.
RedV
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The Army is currently the least influential faction in all Kemet.
Like it is underfunded, not too socially important and Khui is still struggling to get them to fund army over building stuff even though the vassals are in outright revolt and are not paying dues.
There is a significantly higher risk that the Eunuchs / Neferet plot to delay our ascension till we marry a noble of their choice and become their little puppet ruler, because they are actually are that influential in court, and Ptahsepses believes we are too immature to be a ruler or something which let Neferet convince him.
See what I meant about fearmongering at one option specifically?
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Sorry to say it but it is still the army.
The one that has the army behind him rules.
How do you fight him if he starts a coup if you have nobody to fight for you ?
RedV
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And I'm proposing that we become one step closer to getting the loyalty of that army. We already made a good impression; if we work with Khui(and so the army) soldiers will grow loyalty to us personally too.
Also, we do need that army for our coup against Neferet.
Otherwise if army is that truly that powerful Khui can just anyways demand we marry him if he schemes towards it and we wouldn't be able to stop him. How is getting him as a mentor at all relevant to the fact that he will scheme against us if he is so inclined?
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Mm. Fair enough, palace has enough dangers too - but that does not mean that we should dismiss ambitious general with possibly loyal to him army. Even more we should not pick him as a mentor before we know, or at least suspect, what does he want.
Getting loyalty of army is extremely important, yes; presenting it as "Khui helped her and she just claims all of it!!one1" is not how it should be done, and may well be detrimental.
And about army...it needs to be organized and fed. If we convince other parts of the court that we are better than him, his part of the army may be not enough to overthrow a government and/or hold it.
It may still be enough if we neglect army too much, I guess, but trusting him too much is not going to help with it.
Shard
One and Many
- Location
- Malaysia
I'd say that a violent coup is more likely is Khui doesn't have influence. If he has influence, and sees, for example, a way to peacefully influence politics in his favor by using us, then he's less likely to choose a violent option.
Leaving aside external problems which could also plague us, like an invasion (or, more likely, vassals trying to break away.).
[X] Plan Lion Queen
Getting the loyalty of the army is important.
Leaving aside external problems which could also plague us, like an invasion (or, more likely, vassals trying to break away.).
[X] Plan Lion Queen
Getting the loyalty of the army is important.
RedV
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It really won't be like that.
Mentorship isn't him helping us and taking credit or something. It involves working with him and getting to learn from him. It would be much more likely if we didn't have good Martial or legit didn't work with army at all, then he could legit say we didn't contribute.
Also, our PR machine stat is pretty damn good, so its unlikely he will beat us there.
The army is the most likely path to power for us; it is the most disaffected faction in the Royal Court of Kemet, given how little funding/importance it gets. We also made a good impression and are not starting from nothing. They will remember us as the monarch who visited them when they have not been accorded too much respect and all. So if we work on it, we can get them firmly in our camp with lesser effort than other factions.
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Why would we harm our own nation with a civil war at this point.
We don´t need to get rig of Neferet as she is already dying that would only show that we should not rule the nation.
We do not want him as a mentor as that makes it much easier for him to get rid of us and there are different ways for that.
Kill us, marry us or use us as an puppet ruler.
Also we do not have the loyalty of the army. We meet Khui one time and we didn´t have any other interactions with the army after that.
Khui is the one that has the loyalty at the moment and not us. We haven´t show that we can lead.
The only thing that we have going for us at the moment is that we are the only heir to the throne.
Yes we want the army to be loyal to us, but we have to do that in a way that doesn´t give anyone else the credit for that. Get them training, better equipment there are many ways to do so.
Getting Khui as an mentor has more chances to us getting fuck over than him helping us as we can´t trust him even a little bit.
What we should to is to make sure that if he or anyone else trys something that they die a painful death.
Shard
One and Many
- Location
- Malaysia
Actually, why not look at this from Khui's perspective? As the weakest faction now, it pretty clear that the other factions and people of interest have essentially been keeping him weak.
Being provided the mentorship of the heir woulf effectively be his main way out of that situation, so he cannot screw it up. If we end up screwed up, his way out of his situation is also screwed up.
His only choice is to build up relations with our character as best as he can, while honing her to take reins as best as she can.
Being provided the mentorship of the heir woulf effectively be his main way out of that situation, so he cannot screw it up. If we end up screwed up, his way out of his situation is also screwed up.
His only choice is to build up relations with our character as best as he can, while honing her to take reins as best as she can.